Joe Rogan has weighed in on
the transportation
secretary's paternity leave.
Yes, Pete Buttigieg and
his partner have a new child.
And so he has decided to take
leave, but Rogan thinks that's
unnecessary, because Rogan
knows better than anyone else
how Buttigieg should parent.
So let's watch.
>> Listen, man, I understand it's
hard to raise a child but
isn't that supposed to be for
the person who gave birth?
>> It's crazy, yeah.
>> Do men take paternity leave?
>> No. >> But here's the thing.
[LAUGH] >> One of you should do,
one of you should take care of
the children, this idea that both
parents should get maternity and
paternity leave at the same time is
a little weird.
>> I don't think it's weird at all.
When you have a new baby,
whether you've given
birth to that baby or not,
it is an overwhelming experience.
And I don't know, I kind of fall
on the side of the boss isn't
as important as your family is,
really think about the core of that
argument, right?
The core of the argument is you
being by your boss's side, and
making profit for
your boss is more important
than being there in the first
few weeks of your baby's life.
No, I'd rather be with the baby,
whether I push that baby out of my
vagina or not.
I'd rather be with the baby.
How about that?
>> I think that those weeks you
could be spending with your boss
are important bonding time.
I think that you'll grow closer to
your boss.
[LAUGH] >> I think that
that's important,
some day they're going to be there
when you're walking down the aisle.
No, the whole thing
is ridiculous and
I'm glad that you focused on that.
This morning, on the pre show
that's what I was talking about.
This is what we were talking about
with Fox before.
This is a crossover between Rogan
and Fox and not just that like,
is his show just like two week
later reruns of Tucker Carlson?
Tucker Carlson was making these
same points against people
just literally weeks ago.
I thought Joe Rogan was doing like
totally independent stuff,
he has the exact same positions as
Tucker Carlson.
But, yeah, it's a wonderful
confluence of the disarming your
audience from ever considering
their economic situation or
believing that things can get
better combined with
the brutal masculinity that guys
like Joe Rogan love to push.
The idea that masculinity is always
being very scared of somebody
thinking you're doing
something weird.
Why are you doing that thing?
You don't want to do that thing,
someone might question you, why are
you trying to bond with the kid?
That's mom stuff, you
shouldn't be worried about that.
Since when has that become the idea
of what fatherhood is?
Aren't you supposed to be around to
help guide your son, or your
daughter, into being a upstanding?
It's just such nonsense.
>> Only when you want to comment on
black fathers.
>> Sure. >> That's the only time-
>> Which isn't a point that he's
making right here but
you're totally right about Fox.
>> Just take a step back,
I don't know what Rogan has said
about black fathers but
conservatives generally speaking.
>> Sure, that was a for years.
>> Love to comment on, but
where are the black fathers?
>> Yeah. >> Where are the black
fathers?
I don't know, maybe we
have an unjust justice system that
disproportionately targets and
imprisons black fathers,
that's a huge part of it that they
love to leave out of the equation.
But I just love how
they use these talking points
whenever it's convenient for them.
But when it comes to having
a system in place that is far more
friendly to families, so
both mothers and fathers can spend
a few months with their newborn
without worrying about losing
their job or their livelihood.
It's no, we can't have it,
we just can't have-
>> It's a coincidence Ana.
It's just a coincidence that
the talking points tend to help
corporations.
It just happens to work out
that way.
And then they're getting you to
opt out.
You should be
ashamed of believing that your
working conditions should improve,
you should not fight for this.
It's not a choice thing by the way,
it's not, well, some men want to do
it and others don't, it's wrong of
you to believe that you should
spend that time with your family.
And so weird that they're talking
points and by the way,
I saw someone on the supposed left,
also attacking people to judge.
Maybe they just really don't like
people to judge.
So all thoughts of ideological
consistency fly out of their head.
But when you say it's wrong to take
maternity or paternity leave, that
you should not spend one second,
not under the thumb of your
employer.
That is obviously a pro
corporate talking point,
that's what you're seeing here.
>> 100%, absolutely.
And look, it's not just Rogan,
there have been others,
like the Steven Crowder's and
other right wingers who have been
attacking Pete Buttigieg,
specifically for
taking paid paternity leave.
And I don't think it's shocking
that he's gay.
And that all of this ire is
directed toward him for doing this
but they have a new child.
And that is an overwhelming thing
to go through.
And by the way, if we're talking
about heterosexual couples,
the experience of giving birth is
incredibly hard,
incredibly overwhelming for
the mother, we know that.
You have a C section,
they're literally cutting your
abdomen open and removing the baby.
>> Get back to work on Monday.
>> Breastfeed is
incredibly difficult and painful.
You gotta get up every three hours
to feed the baby and so
I don't know, maybe having that
support, having that partner is
incredibly important.
So you can maybe switch with
the three hour feeding schedule.
So maybe if you're in tremendous
pain as the woman who's just
given birth, the father or
even the mother, if we're talking
about a lesbian couple,
can step in and help you out.
I don't know why this is even
a controversial issue,
it's not a controversial issue for
the vast majority of countries.
So the most generous countries for
paid leave for fathers are Japan,
South Korea and Portugal, according
to the 2019 Unicef report.
The least is the United States,
of course, the only country
analyzed not to offer any kind of
paid leave to mothers or fathers.
And let's take a look
at this list of paid leave for
fathers around the world.
In Japan, 52 weeks of paid leave.
>> Wow. >> South Korea, 53 weeks,
Spain, 12 weeks, Sweden, 14 weeks,
Iceland, 13 weeks.
Canada five to eight weeks, Mexico,
even Mexico's got a week,
Australia two weeks,
United Kingdom, two weeks,
United States, zero,
but we're the best.
We're the best because we force
the family to stay at work even
after they've had a new baby.
Okay, great.
>> That's betas,
that's all beta stuff.
A true man abandons his family
when they need him most and
bows down to his employer.
That is what a true
alpha male does.
>> One more clip from Rogan.
I have no idea what he's going to
say in this next one.
So let's watch.
>> Who do you believe should pay
for something like that?
>> I don't know, but
if I was an employer and
I had a guy who worked for
me- [LAUGH] >> Who wanted to take
three months off because his wife
gave birth, I'd be like,
are you talking about Mike?
>> [LAUGH] Even to support
his wife?
>> Did you give birth?
To support his wife while I pay him
for free?
[LAUGH] >> Do you understand that
this is kind of, most people when
this happens if they make enough
money, the wife will not work and
the father will work.
>> Right.
>> And then the wife takes care of
the child and this is normal.
>> Yeah. >> And
then the dad provides
support when he comes home.
If you're saying that the man and
the woman should both get like
three months off,
this is a new thing.
>> Yeah.
>> Right, isn't it? >> It's not new
in Europe, but
it's- >> We're not in Europe.
[LAUGH] >> This is better.
[LAUGH] >> This is America.
>> He said men take paternity
leave?
>> There are two classes in
America.
There's the capitalist class,
there's the worker class.
Rogan, I mean, he's talking about
it in his context.
He doesn't want to have to pay
a worker to spend time with his
family.
That's it, again incentives,
disincentives, for him,
it's about his bottom line.
That's all it is.
It's not- >> But he was honest.
>> Yeah, I mean- >> He's honest.
>> Great, that's- >> I mean,
how many employees?
>> That's how the system works to
be fair.
>> I honestly don't know how many
employees he has.
I'm going to guess that is small
enough that whichever employee
he's referencing there,
he's probably known for a while.
But don't let that make you
believe dear employee
that you're a human to him, no,
you're a cog in the machine.
How dare you ask to be paid if I
take you out for a few months and
put a different cog in there
temporarily?
What was his Spotify deal,
like $100 million?
>> It was a lot. >> Just to switch
over, that's not his pay, that was
a bonus for switching over.
He just is going to keep doing
the same show he was ever doing.
He just talks, he smokes weed,
he talks, got $100 million but
you want free unearned money?
You want more than you deserve to
be paid?
Why are working class people
listening to more rich a holes tell
them that they should never have
a better life?
Our world is full of these people,
you listen to him,
you listen to Elon Musk.
Stop listening to rich
aholes who don't care about you.
It's simple, it's simple,
you wouldn't do, if it was
Leon Cooperman, you wouldn't take
economic policy advice from him.
You'd look at him and you think,
wait I think he's pursuing
his own economic interests but for
some bree- if Leon Cooperman shaved
his head and rolled a joint,
would you suddenly think,
this is compelling advice?
I should base my future on this.
>> It depends though,
is he going to talk about jujitsu?
>> That might be cool,
I don't know, I do actually like
jujitsu quite a bit but
anyway- [LAUGH] >> Yeah,
if you think it's entertaining or
whatever, do not base your politics
on what a rich guy who has nothing
financially in common with you says
should be the case.