foreign fans Adam here with Gordon uh and Gordon you know the full picture on ryzen 7000 between
you reviewing it our sister site reviewing it all the other reviews on the internet all sorts
of goodness but we just found out the information about Intel's 13th gen what is the tldr uh well
basically it comes down to higher clock speeds faster P cores as you know and love ecore P
core in like we saw in Alder Lake 13 gen continues that no but P cores faster up to 5.8 gigahertz yes
also more e-course uh Intel basically went to Oprah said we needed more e-core she said you
get an e-core you get an e-core everybody got e-cores so there's just a ton more e-cores going
around double four double yeah yeah four e chords to be exact on on every every uh range right yeah
uh and then oh no at the top and you get eight eight e chords for the core I9 okay yeah more
and also larger cash larger L to cash so you're getting two Megs per uh P core and four Megs per
e core cluster interesting interesting okay uh and as a part of this there's three three parts that
they're announcing today what are those parts and how those look uh number one uh let's go in
reverse order because this is a this is a biggie very very exciting quora 913 900k 24 cores so
basically eight P cores plus my God what is that 16 e cores I'm not good at math but I'm going to
trust you on that one up to 5.8 gigahertz on this part okay uh also 600 megahertz higher turbo boost
in the middle and the the uh is that jam Brady the jam Brady Intel Core i7 13 700k 16 cores now
basically four more e-cors uh up to 5.4 gigahertz and 400 megahertz turbo well okay and on the low
end on the low end is actually the one that I'm actually very excited about because personally
I thought the core i5 12 600k basically destroyed ryzen 5000 a Time ryzen 5 that is
and you're basically getting the core i5 13600k 14 cores so previously you've got
10 cores you're now getting 14 cores in the I5 up to 5.1 gigahertz uh 200 megahertz turbo
over the older version okay yeah a lot of cores that go around a lot of megahertz to
go around did they talk about performance yeah so you know again you always have to take all
um vendor claims with a grain of salt but let's be honest these things are combed over by lawyers
lawyers don't let you have any fun make stuff up unfortunately um there's some very bold claims uh
definitely an uplift in gaming leadership they're basically six percent some games are showing some
Marvel Spider-Man up to 58 riffbreaker I mean there's just a lot of really high frame rates
they're basically saying up to 24 better gaming performance at 1080p at 1080p of course uh also
I will note this is versus existing ryzen 9 5950x as well as their own core I9 12900k apparently AMD
was rude and did not send them a sample of the ryzen 7000 before they put it on sale yeah so
and we already know the testing of the ryzen 7950x go watch that video it's a gray one uh at in the
same time give it a thumbs up smash the Bell icon subscribe all that fun stuff for more videos uh
but you know we can kind of extrapolate a little bit so right now they're saying it's 24 better
but if if you kind of take that in there obviously it's going to shrink down a little bit Yeah rather
than seven thousand right you know I think with Verizon 7000 it's going to get a little closer
and then also remember the same problem with AMD they'll say hey here's 40 games we average it
outward this much faster Intel is doing hey here's 40 games we after that we're this much faster well
if you looked at both of them you're not going to always find the same games in there there's 50
000 games and apps in the steam Library not counting epic not counting E8 there's just
so many different stores and different games it's a little hard to make the game performance
really but generally if you're going to push the clocks that hard more cash the core is probably
not as much but just pushing the clock speeds higher remember they're saying up to 5.8 and is
even six gigahertz but not in the parts you're seeing today that generally is going to get you
more gaming performance yeah probably probably for sure uh okay well then what about content
creation though because that's that's what I'm a little bit more excited about yeah same thing
there you know uh the the core counts may help a little bit more because different depends on
what you're doing in the Creator workflow whatever you're doing multitasking what
are applications you're running the signed off lawyer Claim by Intel today is up to 34 faster
okay all right well which which things did they test in for Content creation well for example
Puja bench Photoshop overall they're saying 33 versus a ryzen 9 5950x again Intel did not get
the new ryzen 979 50x because AMD is being rude how rude how rude just rude not sending one over
so but they're saying 33 against ryzen 5000 16 in Premiere Pro in uh Adobe uh in Adobe Premiere Pro
using Puja bench after effects push-up bench 34 again very very decent uh this is what I don't
really use I haven't used it as AutoCAD Catalyst total index 47 okay well obviously that that's a
pretty good number I don't think you're gonna see that everywhere an Autodesk Revit model creation
69 you basically take all that up you add it up use um special math they use in all marketing
departments I guess that somehow equals 34 huh okay well uh I guess these look like competitive
numbers what about pricing is it uh is it competitively priced we don't know oh I mean that
is one problem is so as of when we're recording this today we do not have the price hopefully we
will have it soon so hold up Gordon from a couple days ago we actually do have prices in uh hot off
the presses here we go with the prices the 13900k comes in at 584 which is no increase over the
12 900k the 13 700k comes in at 409 which is no increase over the 12 700k and the 13 600k comes
in at 320 which is 30 over the 12 600k so uh no increase in prices on the core I9 and core i7
Parts but a small increase on the core i5 part that's kind of interesting because Gordon and I
were talking earlier that uh intel was signaling that they were going to have to increase prices uh
and they actually didn't on the top end parts they did increase on the mid-range at that 300 level so
that is a bummer but once again we'll have to wait for testing to see just how big of a gain it
is in that that lower end segment and maybe maybe it's Justified over the 300.7600 X either way not
bad on pricing I expected personally an increase across the board so this actually isn't too bad
now uh back to you past Adam and Gordon uh also quite interesting that I saw in there uh is that
Intel is kind of taking a a page out of the uh the Eco Mode Playbook that we saw with ryzen 7000
and they're going to kind of do that same thing what are their claims around Eco modes well uh to
be fair uh these two teams have not met uh 13's gen has not met ryzen 7000 yet so you can't say
they stole from their playbook yeah Internet true just just saying everybody's pushing uh you know
in efficiency uh one thing they're saying with 13 900k though this is the the Bold claim we'll have
to see when we get it so they're saying a 12 900k with a baseline of 241 watts of boost that's pl1
the 13900k will do that at 65 Watts so they're basically saying it's not an awful lot like what
we've seen with the AMD this week honestly right because yeah remember Horizon 7950x faster than
5950x at 65 Watts which is kind of mind-blowing Intel is saying hey r13900k same performance uh as
a 12900k with a pl1 of 241 Watts if you push it to 115 Watts you get 21 percent more multi-threaded
performance if you push it up to 241 Watts it's 37 faster than a 12 900k which is again it's no
slouching multi-threaded although definitely it gets beat up pretty badly by ryzen 7000 that I'm
seeing and if you push it to 253 Watts you're looking at a plus 41 which stop right there
that's signaling that these parts at the at the if you push it to the maximum they're saying it's
going to go up to uh 250 3 Watts because right now the 12900k 241 Watts ish you know so yeah you're
saying the TDP is going to be raised over two yeah it will definitely push it a little harder
than the previous generation but again they're saying hey it's cool at 65 Watts The Arc micro
architecture and the chip itself will actually perform the same time that's not saying the same
as amd's EcoBoost but I suppose you could tune a 3900k down to 65 Watts it's not clear to me that
they're going to say you should do that for this instead of buying a 65 watt CPU yeah yeah either
way I'm excited to live in this world of uh of an interesting ways that you can configure your CPU
based off of what power you uh you want to Target so uh also it looks like there's a couple software
improvements for it what are they yeah so Intel has what they're calling Intel thread director two
basically I will read you the sequel the press the sequel yes sequels are sometimes better uh updated
I'm just trying to think Godfather Two Bedroom Godfather one not sure updated thread class
boundaries by Machine learning techniques basically it's Gonna Get You Know smarter
better original thread director basically managed where all the threads from software
and the OS should go it sounds like they're look from their learnings as they like to say it's even
better this next point though give me a little controversial Windows 11 22 H2 which is the new
version of Windows 11. it's just starting to roll out now optimize handling of background Services
utility quality of service versus user initiated background tasks low quality of service basically
it sounds like uh with Windows 11 22 H2 so the latest version of Windows 11 which is free to
everybody who can get 11. the new 13 gen should actually manage those background processes better
so a lot of this or at least some of this performance might actually be tied to Windows
11 which is of course going to set some people off because they just they don't
like right Mouse clicking and then right Mouse clicking some more to get to what they want to
get Microsoft I'm still on Windows 10 so I guess I guess I'll see what I get and also Dynamic tuning
technology coming to the mobile verses of these chips uh there's actually the one big black hole
in my map here well we have information on the desktop Parts which frankly everybody on YouTube
gets super jazzed and angry about all the time we don't know much what's happening with a 13
gen mobile parts so those are definitely coming okay all right well at the end of the day with
everything that you've seen from Intel obviously we'll need to wait for final testing but then
all the testing that you've done from ryzen 7000 and all the testing everyone else has done should
you wait to upgrade and buy into 13th gen or do you think it's fine just go ahead and buy ryzen
7000 all sorts of goodness we've we've seen we've seen how good it is just go ahead and buy rather
than seven thousand well I'm gonna I'm gonna recommend because you have to think about this
because we have in hand ryzen 7000 it's benchmarks good stuff go to the web video it's awesome it's
an impressive chip it's definitely the top tier performance CPU for desktop users right now right
now seeing what I'm seeing from Intel basically saying 15 better single threaded performance
41 better multi-third performance that's in Spec but I would guess yeah I would wait if it were me
and you know the thing that's interesting now for AMD is because they don't have the old you've
already got your am4 socket so you don't have to replace everything going from am4 to am5 means if
you are an existing AMD customer you gotta move so you have to sort of break that is kind of gone
I would wait because honestly you could be doing a a clean build if you're coming from an older
Intel socket or if you're coming from an older AMD socket if you got a 12th gen yeah you're
probably not going to upgrade anyway but you're really looking at a new build and you're looking
at 15 single threaded if that holds up I'm gonna say Intel is going to outperform AMD in lightly
threaded tasks in multi-threaded tests I think it's going to be basically dead even again when
we get to 13 gen because you know hey this is a big level of 41 over 12th gen but ryzen 7000 about
40 faster than 12th gen 2. so it might be kind of dead even on multi-threaded tasks but lightly
threaded is very very important yeah but am5 the AMD says it's going to support it through at least
2025 any mention in the in in being able to drop a 14th gen in uh in the same socket we have no news
zero news but it is interesting I will point out that it was said it's been reported out of the the
Press tour they did in Israel Intel said you know what we weren't going to make 13th yen but we were
afraid the brand new stuff the tiled architecture really really Advanced meteor Lake that's coming
next year 14th gen we have to have a hedge against that if it doesn't work out and actually
since they've said it's working out we're coming back we're going to be we're going to be giving
everybody a hard time before team's end but they said we weren't going to make their teams yet but
so to hear with it anyway it kind of made me think like huh if they said they weren't going to make
13th gen would that amend Alder Lake would have been the only CPU in that socket and that's been
pretty rare for Intel I in fact I can't think that would be the exception to the rule so it almost
makes you think again Intel has never said that that 14th gen will drop into current motherboards
but if 13th gen wasn't going to happen does that mean meteor Lake would have gone into 12th gen in
socket the the current 12th gen socket because it makes you wonder I don't know but you do know that
Intel never says because the lawyers are no fun about this stuff because you got to guarantee if
it's going to happen AMD said we're gonna do it you buy am5 we're going to see you at least what
two three generations probably two or three years anyway yeah okay interesting okay all right well
I guess I guess it sounds like we should wait sounds like it's easy I mean just to see full
performance and pricing uh you know unless you know what you just want to go team red go team
red that's fair you can do it yeah you can do that I I just think that generally if you want
to make a decision it's always better to wait to be fully informed and the fact that they're
talking about it means it's not that far away so you're probably going to see benchmarks on it
sooner rather than later so we're not talking waiting until next year it's going to be soon
okay can you just wait a little bit that's what I told my daughter it's like you know
what you waited all this time you don't want to buy the the iPhone 13 right before the
iPhone 14 comes out and she waited and waited and did it so she almost couldn't she almost
couldn't do it we did it though okay good for her she got an iPhone okay yeah good great uh
thank you everybody for watching this uh yeah I guess we'll know more soon hopefully uh be sure
to subscribe because uh Gordon will be testing that we will be doing a lot of coverage around
that for sure uh thank you Gordon for walking through this with me uh if you have any questions
about whether you should upgrade or not put them down in the comments we'll uh we'll be
in there and try to try to help you figure it out so thanks everyone see you later foreign