PLEASE WELCOME SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.
>> THANK YOU, JAMES.
>> James: IT IS SO NICE TO SEE YOU.
IT IS LOVELY TO SEE YOU ANY DAY BUT PARTICULARLY TODAY WHERE IN
IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT FIRST OFF, HOW ARE YOU.
HOW IS EVERYONE IN THE FAMILY, ARE YOU ALL OKAY?
>> WE ARE ALL OKAY THANK YOU JAMES.
WE ARE SHELTERING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE MID MARCH AND EVERYBODY IS STILL
ALIVE.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE DAY, OUR DOGS ARE FINE,
EVERYTHING IS GOING ALL RIGHT.
>> James: GOOD, I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THAT.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT LAST NIGHT.
SO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN,
PRESIDENT TRUMP, SET THE SCENE FOR ME, WHAT IS DEBATE NIGHT
LIKE IN THE CLINTON HOUSEHOLD?
>> WELL FOR US LAST NIGHT IT WAS KIND EVER A DEPARTURE BECAUSE
WE'D DONE A LOT OF DEBATES BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.
AND YOU KNOW, WE NOW WERE OBSERVERS LIKE THE VAST MAJORITY
OF MACIALG WHO WAS WATCHING.
AND IT WAS NERVE-RACKING, JAMES.
OBVIOUSLY I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA
HARRIS TO WIN.
AND I DO HAVE THE UNIQUE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING SHARED A
DEBATE STAGE THREE TIMES WITH DONALD TRUMP.
AND I KNOW THAT HE WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING AS WE SAW AGAIN
LAST NIGHT.
SO IRWAS WATCHING BUT EVERY SO OFTEN I WOULD KIND OF BE
CRINGING OR GO OH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DRAMATIC MOMENTS AND
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES I JUST HAD TO GET UP AND WALK
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW T IS VERY SAD TO THINK THAT WE'RE HAVING THE
MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN MAYBE OUR HISTORY COMING UP, AND THE
PRESIDENT ONE OF THE TWO CANDIDATES CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO
ANSWER THE QUESTION, TO PUT FORWARD ANY KIND OF A GENDA FOR
THE FUTURE, IT'S ALL INSULT AND ATTACKS AND BRAG DOSEIO, IT WAS
SAD, JAMES.
I MEAN IT WAS MADDENING AND SAD AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I JUST HEARD THAT THE DEBATE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO
CHANGE THE RULES BECAUSE HE JUST WOULDN'T STOP INTERRUPTING.
I THOUGHT BIDEN KEPTS HIS COOL WHICH IS HARD.
KEPT STAIRING RIGHT AT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO THOSE
CMERAS, INTO THOSE LIVING ROOMS TRYING TO SAY HERE IS WHAT HE
WOULD DO ABOUT COVID AND ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND ABOUT CLIMATE
CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I THOUGHT ON BALANCE YOU KNOW JOE DID FINE.
AND TRUMP DEMONSTRATED HOW OUT OF CONTROL HE IS AND I JUST
WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT MONTH IS GO BE TO BE LIKE.
>> WE ALL OF US ARE HAVING THOSE FEELINGS.
BUT HONESTLY HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT IT IS I THINK MAWKING
CERTAINLY A LOT OF US FEEL MUCH BETTER.
STUCK AROUND, MORE WITH SECRETARY CLINTON WHEN WE COME
BACK.
NOW SECRETARY CLINTON YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH WHOSE
FACED TRUMP ONE-ON-ONE APPROXIMATE IN A DEBATE.
I THINK WE ALL KNEW THAT THINGS WOULD GETS HEATED.
WHEN YOU WERE WATCHING JOE BIDEN WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE HIM
IN THOSE MOMENTS.
>> I ACTUALLY DID GIVE ADVICE TO THE CAMPAIGN, TO HIS DEBATE
TEAM, ITS WITH SOME OF THE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT I WORKED WITH.
AND YOU CANNOT LET TRUMP KNOCK YOU OFF YOUR GAME.
NOW HE WILL AS WE SAW LAST NIGHT, AS WE SAW IN MY DEBATES
WITH HIM, TRY TO DOMINATE, TRY TO INTERRUPT, TRY TO CONTROL
WHATEVER THE TELEVISION IS.
AND SO YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY FOCUSED AND VERY DISCIPLINED
ABOUT NOT GETTING TOTALLY OFF THE RESERVATION ALL THE TIME
BECAUSE HE'LL ATTACK YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ANSWERING A
QUESTION, TOTALLY AGAINST THE RULES.
AND YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION BUT YOU
DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE YOU ARE AVOIDING HIS, I THOUGHT BIDEN
DID A GOOD JOB TRYING TO KEEP HIS BALANCE, IN THE FACE OF THAT
90 MINION SLAWT.
I MEAN EVEN CHRIS WALLACE AS YOU KNOW IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST
NEWSCASTERS.
CERTAINLY NO PUSHOVER.
AND HE WAS LIKE OVERWHELMED BY THE JUST FUSE LADGE OF INSULTS
AND INTERRUPTION THAT YOU HEARD FROM TRUMP.
IN FACT IT LOOKED LIKE THE DEBATE COMMISSION IS GOING TO
CHANGE THE RULES.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TRUMP WILL AVOID BY THEM BUT THEY WILL TRY
TO GIVE THE MODERATORS MORE CONTROL.
MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A KILL SWITCH ON THE MIC.
MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A BUTTON TO PUSH AND THE FLOOR DROPS OUT.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING.
>> James: SO MY WORRY WITH THE KILL SWITCH WITH KNOCKING
SOMEONE'S MICROPHONE IS YOU HAVE TO THEN KNOCK OUT JOE BIDEN'S
MICROPHONE WHICH GIVES DONALD TRUMP BASICALLY 2 MINUTES TO
JUST LIE.
AND UNLESS THE MODERATOR STEPS IN AND SAYS THAT ISN'T TRUE,
THAT IS FALSE, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT WHAT
YOU VUS SAID IS A LIE, WHAT ITIVE GOES HIM IS THAT HE ALSO
THEN GETS TWO MINUTES OF ABSOLUTE FREEDOM TO JUST JUST
LIE ABOUT IT.
>> WELL, I KNEW HE WOULD LIE.
HE'S INCAPABLE OF NOT LYING.
HE HAS MADE HIS CAREER ON THE BASIS OF LIES ABOUT HIS WEALTH.
WE NOW KNOW ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVELY SOMETHING THAT I
SAID BACK IN 2016, HE'S NOT AS RICH AS HE CLAIMS.
HE DOESN'T PAY INCOME TAX AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE LEARNED.
SO LYING IS NOT JUST SECOND, IT'S FIRST NATURE TO DONALD
TRUMP.
AND WHAT IS SO REGRETTABLE IS MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TEURNED
IN.
A LOT OF AMERICANS MADE UP ITS MIND BUT THERE STILL TRULY ARE
UNDECIDED PEOPLE, NOT JUST ABOUT WHO THEY WILL VOTE FOR BUT
WHETHER THEY WILL VOTE.
AND I THINK THAT IF THEY WERE TO WATCH THAT, AND JUST FEEL SO
ALIENATED FROM YOU KNOW, THE BEHAVIOR ON STAGE, YOU SEE IT AS
AN ASSAULT ON OUR ELECTION.
YOU SEE IT AS AN ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY, EVEN MORE THAN AN
ASSAULT ON JOE BIED ENAND I'M THE MODERATOR.
IT'S GOT TO BE TROUBLING AND DISCOURAGING TO MANY PEOPLE WHO
TUNED IN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO COME UP
WITH, JAMES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TECHNIQUE THEY'RE GOING TO TRY.
IT REALLY TAKES A VERY TOUGH MINDED MODERATOR NOT TO BE
OVERRUN BY TRUMP'S CONSTANT BULLYING BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY
WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT.
WE SAW A MEAN BULLY WHO KNOWS HE'S LOSING AND IS GOING TO TAKE
EVERYBODY DOWN WITH HIM IF WE LET HIM.
SO I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE
AND WHOEVER THE NEXT MODERATE CERTIFICATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO
BE WILLING TO ENFORCE WHATEVER THE NEW RULES ARE.
> I THOUGHT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS AT HIS MOST EFFECTIVE
IN THE MOMENTS THAT HE CHOSE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, WHEN HE SAID IT'S NOT ABOUT MY FAMILY, IT'S NOT ABOUT
YOUR FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS
ABOUT AND HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE HE WAS AT HIS MOST EFFECTIVE.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF HE CAN STICK TO THAT, IF HE CAN STICK TO THE
NOTION THAT HE IS OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN HIS MESSAGE
HAS A PURITY TO IT.
I MEAN YOU IS SPEAK THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS FINANCES, HIS
TAXES.
AND THEN EVEN NOW IN HIS PRESIDENCY, HIS LACK OF
LEADERSHIP IN THE RESPONSE TO THE COVID CRISIS, THERE ARE SO
MANY THINGS.
I FEEL LIKE WEEKLY ON THIS SHOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF
TIMES THAT HE HAS COME UP SHORT OR LIED.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT NONE OF THESE REVELATION SEEM TO SWAY
HIS COMMITTED SUPPORT ERRED?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT HE HAS A HARD-CORE OF SUPPORT.
IT IS NOW IN THE LOW 40% RANGE.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO FOR A COMBINATION OF REASONS, JAMES,
ARE DRAWN TO A STYLE OF LEADERSHIP THAT IS BULLYING.
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW THEY SEE THE WORLD AND THEIR
PLACE IN IT.
THEY ALSO FEEL LIKE HE'S ON THEIR SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO A
LOT OF THE CULTURAL ISSUES THAT UNFORTUNATELY HE HAS MADE VERY
DIVISIVE.
ONE OF THE WORST THINGS LAST NIGHT WAS TRUMP BASICALLY
REFUSING TO DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY AND THEN GIVING A BIG
SHOUT OUT TO THE PROUD BOYS WHICH IS A GANG OF TOUGHS WHO ET
BOO UP PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH THEM POLITICALLY.
AND IT IS ALL TOO REMINISCENT OF WHAT AUTHOR-- AUTHORITARIAN
LEADERS HAVE DONE IN OTHER COUNTRIES, SO WHEN TRUMP WAS
ASKED TO DISOWN THE PROUD BOYS, HE BASICALLY SAID OH, YOU KNOW,
YEAH, STAND BACK BUT STAND BY, AND ACCORDING TO THE ONLINE
MEDIA TODAY, YOU KNOW, THE PROUD BOYS FEEL LIKE THAT IS A, YOU
KNOW, GO SIGNAL FROM TRUMP.
SO THERE ARE SEGMENTS OF HIS BASE THAT A TRA ATTRACTED TO HIM
AND STAY WITH HIM FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS BUT I BELIEVE WHAT'S
HAPPENING AND WHAT THE POLLS CERTAINLY SUGGEST IS THAT A LOT
OF PEOPLE AND PARTICULARLY WOMEN WHO HAVE WATCHED THIS PRESIDENCY
AND PARTICULARLY WATCHED HIS FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP AROUND THE
CORONAVIRUS ARE NOT BOYING IT ANY MORE.
THE REALITY SHOW IS NO LONGER ENTERTAINING.
IT IS ABOUT TO BE CANCELLED IN TERMS OF THEIR VIEW.
AND THEIR VOTE.
AND SO PART OF WHAT BIDEN IS DOING IS REASSURING PEOPLE WHO
YOU KNOW MAYBE VOTED FOR HIM.
MAYBE VOTED THIRD PARTY.
MAYBE DIDN'T VOTE, THAT THEY CAN COME TOGETHER IN THIS ELECTION
AND NOT ONLY DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP BUT GET BACK TO LEADERSHIP THAT
CARES ABOUT THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND DOESN'T SEEK TO DIVIDE US THE WAY THAT TRUMP DOES.
>> James: SOMEONE TWEETED LAST NIGHT, THEY TWEETED THAT THEY
WERE POSITIVE YOU WOULD HAVE WANTED TO SAY WILL YOU SHUT UP,
MAN, TO TRUMP IN 2016.
AND YOU RESPONDED WITH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
>>, IS THAT TRUE, DID YOU WATCH IT GOING I WISH I COULD HAVE
TOLD HIM TO SHUT UP.
>> OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS I WISH I
COULD HAVE SAID OR SHOULD HAVE SAID BUT FOR A LOT OF REASONS,
MOSTLY BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THINK YOU KNOW UKSZ ARE KSZ IT WOULD
BE AM HAB YOU BE-- MUCH HARDER FOR A WOMAN TO GET AWAY WITH
THAT, I THINK JOE GOT SOME REAL CREDIT FOR BASICALLY SAYING WHAT
A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO SAY TO TRUMP.
BUT I THINK IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, AT LEAST AT THIS
POINT IN OUR POLITICAL HISTORY, FOR A WOMAN TO SAY SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT I CERTAINLY THOUGHT.
>> James: NOW THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE KAMALA
HARRIS, SHE'S GOING TO DEBATE NEXT WEEK WITH VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
WHEN I SEE MIKE PENCE I SORT OF THINK I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE
LIKES DONALD TRUMP, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
LIKE DEEP DOWN, DEEP DEEP DOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE DOES.
I THOUGHT YOU CAN IMAGINE THE TWO OF THEM HAVING A
CONVERSATION.
YOU THINK WHAT CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE TALKING ABOUT.
LIKE YOU KNOW, ONE IS A MAN WHO IS IN-- WHO IS SAYS THAT HE IS A
DEEPLY RELIGIOUS QULISSIAN MAN AND THE OTHER MAN WON'T CONDEMN
WHITE SUPREMACY, NORMALLY THOSE TWO DON'T HAVE BREAKFAST
TOGETHER.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HEARD OF PEOPLE WHO MAKE A DEAL
WITH THE DEVIL, HAVEN'T YOU.
PEOPLE WHO USE SOMEONE THAT THEY MAY NO RESPECT OR ADMIRE, BUT
WHO THEY BELIEVE IS GOING TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA.
AND MIKE PENCE IS PART OF A VERY CONSERVATIVE PART OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
THAT HAS A VERY SPECIFIC CULTURAL AGENDA.
AND I THINK THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT UP WITH A LOT OF WHAT WE
WOULD ALL CONSIDER UNACCEPTABLE, INSULTING BEHAVIOR FOR TRUMP TO
JUST KEEP GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT.
I THINK THAT ST THE BEST EXPLANATION.
>> DOES IT WORRY YOU, IT WORRIES ME BECAUSE WHEN TRUMP TALKS
ABOUT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER SHOULD THE ELECTION NOT GO
HIS WAY AND HE SAYS WELL, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE AND
THOSE THINGS, DO YOU WORRY THAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE MEMBERS OF
THAT REPUBLICAN PARTY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE MITCH Mc--
McMCCONNELLS, MAKE PENCES AND TED CRUZ, THESE CHARACTERS WE
HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND YOU KNOW A LOT
LONGER.
DO WE LOOK AND SAY WHO HAS THE BACKBONE AND GUMP SLUN TO SAY
PRESIDENT TRUMP, IT'S OVER, WE HAVE TO GO AND THIS IS HOW YOU
DO IT.
>> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM WOULD DO THAT, JAMES.
I THINK THAT THEY HAVE ALL SOLD THEIR SOULS AND GIVEN AWAY TAIR
BACKBONES TO SUPPORT TRUMP, TO ENABLE HIM.
THEY DON'T SPEAK OUT WHEN HE DOES THINGS TO UNDERMINE OUR
INSTITUTIONS, OUR DEMOCRACY, THE RULE OF LAW.
I THINK THIS ELECTION REALLY COMES DOWN TO AN OVERWHELMING
TURNOUT OF VOTERS WHO SEND AS CLEAR A MESSAGE AS HAS EVER BEEN
SENT THAT DONALD TRUMP MUST GO.
WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVE A BIG TURNOUT PARTICULARLY
IN THE SO CALLED SWING STATES.
YOA SNREEDS TO WIN OBVIOUSLY NOT ONLY THE POPULAR VOTE BY MANY
MILLIONS BUT ALSO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
SO THAT THERE IS NO PLACE TO TURN.
NO LACE TO HIDE, BY HIS REPUBLICAN ENABLERS, BECAUSE I
DO NOT HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE THAT THE ONE WHO HAVE STUCK WITH HIM
WOULD TURN AGAINST HIM.
I ADMIRE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE STOOD UP AGAINST HIM FROM TIME
TO TIME.
BUT IT'S BEEN FAR AND FEW BETWEEN AND I REGRET THAT.
I MEAN I THINK WE NEED A GOOD ROBUST PLILT KAL DEBATE AND THAT
MEANS WE NEED A GOOD, YOU KNOW, SOLID REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HAS
PEOPLE THAT USED TO BE THERE, THE JOHN MCCAINS, THE MARGARET
CHASE SMITH, HOWARD BAKERS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN RICHARD NIXON WAS IMPEACHED BY A VOTE IN THE
COMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BACK IN THE
SUMMER OF 1974, SOME VERY DISTINGUISHINGED REPUBLICAN
SENATORS, BREE GOLDWATER AND HOWARD BAKER, PEOPLE LIKE THAT,
WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT HE NEEDED TO
GO FOR THE GOODS OF THE COUNTRY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THESE OTHERS WHO ARE THERE NOW ARE
GOING TO GROW THE BACKBONE NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
WAY LOVE TO BE PROVEN WRONG BUT THE SUREST WAY TO PROTECT OUR
ELECTION AND GUARANTEE THE OUTCOME THAT MEANING YOU HAVE A
NEW PRESIDENT IS AN OVERWHELMING VOTE.
AND THAT IS WHAT I AM URGING EVERYBODY TO PLEASE DO,
REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU HAVE EVER VOTED FOR BEFORE, THIS VOTE MAY
BE THE MOST IMPORTANT YOU WILL EVER HAVE
(APPLAUSE).
>> James: WE'RE GOING TO GO TO BEAK BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS,
IF, LET'S SAY JOE BIED ENIS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES AND HE AND KAMALA HARRIS GIVE YOU A CALL AND SAY WOULD
YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN JOINING THIS CABINET, WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD AND I TOLD BARACK
OBAMA NO, TWICE BEFORE SAYING YES.
AND I DID IT AT THE END BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF A NEWLY ELECTED
PRESIDENT ASKS YOU TO SERVE, IF YOU AT ALL REQUEST SERVE YOU
SHOULD.
AND I FEEL PARTICULARLY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT FOR THE NEXT
GENERATION OF PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND DECISION MAKERS WHO ARE OUT
THERE WAITING TO HELP REPAIR THE DAMAGE TO OUR COUNTRY.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT BRIDGE WILL BE CROSSED IF IT EVER COMES UP.
BUT I URGE EVERYONE ELSE TO SERVE IF YOU ARE ASKED.
BECAUSE JOE AND KAMALAR-- KAMALA ARE GOING TO NEED A LOT OF HELP
TO FIX WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BROKEN.
>> IT WOULD MAKE FOR SOME GOOD NEW BOOKINGS ON YOUR PODCAST IF
YOU WERE REALLY IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT PODCAST AND SO MUCH MORE WHEN WE
COME BACK.