There is no separation of church and state.
It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution,
it's made up by secular humanists.
That was Charlie Kirk showing off why that big brain of his didn't get
accepted into West Point.
Maybe they rejected him because he doesn't understand what the constitution says.
Maybe didn't even take a single moment to read about it.
But let's watch more of that video in context and
see if there's any redeeming argument that he makes there.
>> Well, it's so sick because South American and
Central American countries are actually very religious and very catholic.
So they're going into religious countries with almost missionary
fervor to go and try to make these countries less religious.
And again, there is no separation of church and state.
It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution,
it's made up by secular humanists.
It's derived from a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury
baptist convention.
Of course, we should have church and state mixed together.
Our founding fathers believed in that we can go through the details of that.
They established, literally a church in Congress.
Anyway, separate issue.
The point though is that this is acting like a religion, though, isn't it?
If there, if we live by their own false premise of separation of church and state,
then why on Earth and how on earth would,
why would they want to go bring this belief to other countries.
I mean, they're almost kind of as if it was the 1400 and they're sending
missionaries to the new world filled with despotic nihilistic Atheism and
Humanism and what's the thought process behind this.
>> So what is Charlie Kirk talking about there?
Well get back to what the constitution says in just a moment.
Just ripping a page out of Lauren Barbar book, I guess Lauren Barber getting
dunked on relentlessly didn't discourage Charlie Kirk for making that stupid point.
But before we get to that, what he's referring to is this insane idea that
the Biden administration is giving government grants
to countries that support Atheism, that push for Atheism.
There is no evidence to that.
Looked into the story,
the only publication I saw covering it was of course Fox News.
And there was nothing, not a shred of evidence indicating
that the Biden, the biden administration,
Biden can't get up from his nap to defend women's reproductive rights.
You really think Biden's gonna spend his time like traveling to other countries
like yo buddy, I'm gonna give you some funds if you push Atheism in your country.
What!
I will tell you though, Right Wing Evangelicals from America love
to visit other countries and push for legislation that supports
murdering people who don't have lifestyles, they agree with.
Yeah.
Happened in Uganda back in 2012 when Right Wing Evangelicals who are part of the so
called family, the group that hosts the prayer breakfast,
the National Prayer Breakfast every year would go to african countries and
push for the death penalty.
Meaning execution for gay people.
They almost got that passed, but there was enough international backlash that they
backed off, but there are still penalties for gay people in Uganda.
Thanks to Evangelicals who of course Charlie Kirk likes to rub elbows with.
So if you wanna have that conversation, we can have that conversation.
But I'm guessing Charlie Kirk might need a minute or
two to just read something before we engage in that.
Get on my level, Charlie, there's a reason why West Point rejected you,
you're lazy, you're tired.
And you just regurgitate talking points that you've heard from literally
the biggest lunatics in Congress.
But look, I'm just name calling here and when your name call,
you automatically lose right, you automatically lose the argument.
So let me come with the receipts because this person who for
some reason can't stop twitching his face is like a twitch fest.
What's going on over here?
What are you on?
Maybe get off, maybe read something and then come back on your show and and
then maybe you can tell us what the constitution actually says.
But if that's too much work for you, Charlie, I can do that for you here.
Obviously, there is a separation of church and state.
Obviously, that is what the founders of this country wanted.
Let me give you some more evidence,
I can't believe I have to do this as if we're in a second grade history lesso.
For the revolutionaries, political liberty was meaningless without
religious liberty and disestablishment, the separation of church and state
was necessary to guarantee freedom of the soul, the most precious of all liberties.
Even before the Bill of Rights prohibited a state church,
the framers of the constitution had signaled their radical break with
the past by refusing to require officeholders to meet a religious test
that is to subscribe to certain religious beliefs or even to believe at all.
Seems counter to what Charlie Kirk said there, weird.
So do I believe what our history says, what our constitution says?
Or do I believe some weird face twitching guy on some random show who's telling
me that there was never a separation of church and state in this country?
I don't know, you guys get to decide who's more credible.
The Virginia statute for religious freedom in 1786 made clear that the state would
not support any churches or Christianity more generally, much less one faith.
Thomas Jefferson, proud author of the law, argued that religion must be
protected from the state and the state from religion because it was so
essential to mankind's happiness and well being.
True religion could spread only by reason and
persuasion never by governmental edict.
The First Amendment Jefferson believed, enshrined this principle by
building a wall of separation between church and state.
First Amendment fascinating.
So what exactly does the First Amendment say?
What does it say, Charlie.
Let me give you a little reminder.
Or maybe you'll hear this for the first time,
because maybe you haven't read the constitution.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
So, the government deciding that one
religion should rule the land is not
something that the founders believed in.
They didn't think that that was something that you would have in
a society that is free, a society that celebrates liberty.
And I'm curious, so, in Charlie's mind, what would happen?
Okay, he's evangelical.
He identifies as evangelical.
So is he saying that as an evangelical, the government should
force his religion on everyone else, including Jewish people by the way.
What does Ben Shapiro think about that?
Hey, Ben, you live in America, no separation of church and
state according to your buddy Charlie Kirk.
So take the Yamaka off.
Not allowed, not allowed,
Charlie gets to decide which religion all of us have to follow.
Charlie gets to use his religion to dictate our lives in a country that's
supposed to be free.
All of this also was confirmed by the Supreme Court in multiple cases, okay, so
two landmark Supreme Court cases, Cantwell V Connecticut and Everson, V Board
of Education established free exercise and separation of church and state.
I know it's a little weird because right now we have a Supreme Court that's not
interested in interpreting the constitution,
they're much more interested in Right Wing activism in the nation's highest court.
But the original idea around the Supreme Court was that they would protect
our constitutional rights.
And that is what they did in these two very specific Supreme Court
rulings establishing free exercise and separation of church and state,
respectively, as part of the liberty protected by the 14th Amendment's
guarantee of due process of law.
By incorporating them into the due process clause, The court allowed for
these protections to restrain both state and federal governments.
For the justices, these freedoms,
like other First Amendment rights were essential to the democratic
process without the liberty to discuss right believe and
act Americans could not participate effectively in governing themselves.
So, listen, you guys can decide for
yourselves who's telling you the truth, who's right, who's wrong?
You've got Charlie Kirk, who provides no receipts, and just spouts nonsense
about how there was never a separation of church or state, church and state.
Or you can believe the argument I'm making not because I'm pulling things out
of my ass like Charlie does.
But because I'm quoting the constitution, giving you a little bit of that history
American history, which Right Wingers wanna prevent kids from learning in our
schools by burning books and censoring certain curriculum they don't like.
But if I still haven't made my case If I'm not persuasive enough,
let us remember Charlie Kirk getting confronted by someone who was
curious about why Charlie Kirk was really rejected from West Point.
So let's go to that confrontation.
>> My questions for Charlie.
Charlie, I wanted to ask you about you trying to get into West Point.
You said that you applied to West Point, but
they gave your place to an applicant of a different gender and persuasion.
I know the test scores and I knew the qualification, you was less qualified.
So my question is, if they were a different gender,
do you know what gender they were?
>> I never said that, that's fake news.
Thanks for being here tonight.
>> It's fake news.
I mean, it's super unfair to accuse Charlie of saying something that he didn't
actually say.
But did he say it?
I don't know. Let's take a look.
>> Unfortunately I was wait listed and
things kind of started to get a little bit odd and I eventually lost my spot
out to what I felt was a far less qualified applicant in my district.
That was of a different gender and a different persuasion,
you could take it any way you want.
But I knew the test scores,
I knew the qualification I was kind of got the short and of the stick.
>> Looks like Charlie Kirk's a bit of a liar.
Looks like Charlie Kirk can't be bothered to read the United States constitution.
Looks like Charlie Kirk, not only a reject for West Point,
an embarrassment for the American people, doesn't love the country,
doesn't understand the country, doesn't know a damn thing about the country.
Sit down and shut up Charlie.
No one buys your BS.