Dave I remember the old days you
used to accuse me of parroting
the liberal blogosphere.
And you'd come on and
kick my ass about that.
So what do you think happened?
Do I haven't did I?
Well, first of all,
the liberal blogosphere doesn't
even exist anymore.
So, [LAUGH] Maybe that's part
of what happened but.
Through those years the MSNBC yours
the blogosphere, yours, etc.
Do you have a sense of
the evolution of TYT and and
what you think happened on air?
>> Well, before I answer that,
let me make two comments on the
comments when you started reading
it said the army sent my spouse to
Fort Washington and I was thinking
the TYT army is sending spouses.
The real army.
>> [LAUGH] I thought the same exact
thing Dave.
>> And then as far as Anna goes,
she's changed.
So if this guy or
this woman wasn't that Indiana 12
years ago and
lover now that makes that's fine.
Anna.
She is now such a strong voice that
she wasn't before but
as to the question I mean I need
more time but you have evolved and
matured and seen more and more data
and more politics and more news and
you've seen different points of
view from the liberal blogosphere,
more even better or more leftist or
whatever you want to call them.
Points of view and
you you've expanded and
nuanced your points of view and
it all comes out on air.
I mean, it's an evolving
thing, right?
>> Yeah, that's fair.
So, >> And also, when you were
pirating the liberal blogosphere,
part of it was just a strategy.
We were the little guy.
And those all the liberal
blogosphere was
bigger than we were.
So you were just trying to hop on
that wagon.
>> Who, who was part of this
blogosphere?
>> So that's a good question,
Steve, so back in the day it was,
Arianna Huffington and, Crooks and
liars, John Amato ran that.
Think Progress, believe it or not,
was part of that when john login
and fast, secure and fast secure
eventually wind up becoming Bernie
Sanders campaign manager in 2020.
And so there's tonnes of good blogs
and daily coasts and some of those
blogs wound up Doing amazing things
or one of the old school liberal
bloggers were was Glenn Greenwald.
He'd started as a blogger.
And so obviously he went on to do
amazing things.
There's a turn at the end.
I don't know.
Anyway, I still have hope in Glen.
I remember so I'll tell you guys
more inside baseball stuff that
I think you'll find interesting.
We used to have a Wednesday call.
And it was I think it was led by
David Brock.
Which is funny, right?
Because David Brock and
I wound up not hating each other.
It's not personal but certainly
being opposed to one another.
He took the corporate wing
of the party.
I took the progressive wing of
the party.
But back then Al Franken was on
the call.
Arianna Huffington was on the call
and then a whole bunch of bloggers
were on the call.
And somehow I snuck on there.
Okay.
Back then I was tiny,
tiny compared to those guys.
But they were all respectful of
everybody that was on the call.
And you know me.
l was a loud mouth and stuff.
But if you're a conservative out
there going ha we knew it right.
That we never achieved anything.
We can never agree.
Nobody ever followed anybody's
ideas.
It was until it just everybody just
stopped calling in.
Even I was like,
okay like Al Franken and all these
powerful people are on but so what
we never get anything accomplished.
[LAUGH] >> Was this the same time
you were on Air America.
>> I don't think we were on Air
America quite yet at that point.
>> Okay. >> Yeah,
because, you know what, Dave,
I'm going to jump to this story.
So you remember how it is because
it's been a long time since we've
told the story on air.
How you try to get Al Franken on
the show before we were on
Air America.
So you want to tell them that day?
>> Yeah sure. So because we were
little guys Al Franken being on
Air America was big we were trying
to ride anyone's coattails that we
could and we wanted to get gencon
Al Franken's radio show and
tank and I and
whoever else we asked tried and
tried and it wouldn't work.
So one day I called the the the
producer of Al Franken's show and
I I got on the phone with him or
her and I said, I know that Jack
was booked for today.
I'm sorry. We have to cancel on you
can we booked for another day?
And they were flabbergasted and
flummoxed.
Like what?
We had Jancuga booked for today.
Let me check and
then they checked and
they called me back and
it didn't work, but
I got their attention anyway.
[LAUGH] >> No, Dave was so great at
that and it was it was so fun.
They were like, okay, we'll come,
I actually think you have the story
in reverse, but maybe I do.
You were trying to get Al Franken
on the show.
And you said we had them book this
up and they almost got Al Franken
to the phone,
that's my recollection.
But either way, right?
We almost had it.
And then the last thing they,
wait, who booked it?
>> Yeah.
They they apologized and
said our world will reschedule and
I'll call you back.
So we were almost there and
then they called back and
said no happening [LAUGH] >> Now,
the good old days when Dave would
just go sit in the first class seat
of an airplane with the cheapest
coach ticket that he had.
Just sit there in first class and
something didn't
work a couple of times.
David just sat there and
they didn't kick you out.
>> Yeah, it worked.
But now you're talking
about that those were old days.
And that was pre 911.
There was a lot going on then.
>> Yeah, that was definitely pre
911 said that's not going to fly
anymore.
Literally.
So yeah.
And then eventually of course, we
got on Air America and eventually
we did interview Al Franken and
then we told him that story.
And I don't remember if he loved it
or hated it.
[LAUGH] It could go either way with
Al Franken.
But we should get him back on.
>> There's prenty of time.
>> Yeah, well, unfortunately.