howdy folks, Kirk and Jay here with Kirk Giordano plastering, today I want to go over substrates
they, like this garage here, I get it I get asked this quite a bit, by folks who are doing a garage
whether or not they're doing it themselves or they want us to cover it, they say, Kir,k do I
have to take off all the wood siding and attach plywood to it for shear strength, share value or
just to update it the answer is, no, say like this for example, this garage is 80 years old it's no
longer will benefit from paint, is at the end of the world, not really because it's got about 20
coats of paint on it yes it has seen better days but we've gone over in all the years I've been
plastering T1,11 whether or not it's vertical or horizontal we've gone over shiplap siding,
they have a single ship, double ship, and the triple ship, which is that's really tough to go over
because it's weird would this horizontal siding right here is five eighths of an inch thick now
here's what I do, I tell folks and you folks this is pretty decent advice, if you have wood rot, then
replace it, because if you cover rot it's sort of like cancer, it just continues to grow, so as long
as you don't have any wood rot you're good, peeling paint and beat-up wood that's okay, we could cover
it and that's exactly what we're gonna do here so the answer that question should I strip it off and
put plywood not really, I know some folks might watch and say well if it were me I would do that
we'll get into that a little late,r because not everybody can't afford it and often it doesn't
do much benefit for the amount of work required, these five-eighths beats half-inch all the time,
all right guys, I don't want to get too far off the topic of what shears you can use what substrates
and but I'll show you this say right now we just Jason and I ran out this two-ply paper, that's
a moisture barrier to protect this wood here, and you guys do this market get a level get something
and just, mark the studs, that way you're in the in the stud because 7/8 of the leg of the staple or
the nail has to be into the stud now this is 2 inches here because it's built with true two by
fours what's a true two by four guys that means in the olden days when they set a two by four, it
measured two inches by four inches, today you get a two by four measures one and a half inches, by
three and a half inches, it's not true, so you got this much room to work on, my brother Lou he's
already got all these pieces of wire cut out, then we're gonna roll these wires out yeah that makes
a difference which side you go on this is 17 gauge wire you can use 17 gauge wire or 18 gate so we're
just gonna roll that out we've got about a half hour and we're gonna go ahead and stucco this
maybe when we get to that stage we'll show you some techniques on applying and we're not sure
yet what system we're gonna use this is a pretty odd texture there that's a - finish and then you
take a sponge or whatever and make the lines in it we worked on this about 20 years ago now the
actual homeowner she says Kirk do whatever finish you want on there but they have a skip shot say
well you tell me you want to skip child you want this side she says going between so not sure what
finish we're gonna do but that's another I'll cross that bridge when we get to it all right
guys let's show a couple more things here you get you two layers of paper up you attach your wire
then you caulk all your perimeters why because the rain hits this and if you don't caulk this
the stucco could separate rain goes and back of this goes in back of the paper defeats the whole
purpose so caulk your perimeter here's something we do a lot of work for contractors today I say
you laughs it would plaster it so I tell them don't over staple it guys okay this is 24 inch
centers because it's an old house all you want to do is every six inches guys, every six inches what
happens? if you staple the crap out of it, well for us it makes it too flat and if we're too flat, then
I mean we're gonna same day scratch and brown this, if it's too flat our mud can't
go in here and key well, I want the mud behind the wire and on top of it I want wire dead center and
I come off the word guys they think well gee I'm gonna put more staples because that's gonna make
it stronger guys that doesn't make it stronger that makes it so that the stucco doesn't embed
very well so every six inches guys these are actually marked too, but that's another story,
see how easy that is lathed that one cover is a lot of people right now who are saying this
Kirk, we're attaching cement board like where's all that coming from so many people call and say we're
doing cement board we want to do two layers of paper and rather than the wire we want to put a
cement board guys, do you know how heavy cement board is? It's two by four by six sheets it's
like 50 pounds of sheets time you lift it up to you put it in here right here with the gun we're not
compromised in the inside of the garage but try to put cement board on you've got to nail that stuff
because you're going through cement or screw it and it really is heavy it tweaks you out, I don't
advise that so many people are asking me about it. They say, Kirk we don't know how to plaster, so we're
gonna do the cement board, but here's a, here's it's thing guys, you put the cement board on now
you have all these joints every because they're four by six sheets, so they're not four by eight
otherwise nobody can lift them like sheetrock so when you have the four by six sheets now you got
to mud all your joints otherwise you'll get hairline cracking kind of like this okay we
got one layer of wire here one layer wire here and then we put the other one dead center now
yeah, I'm a foot here and a foot here that's okay, because it adds for the strength is it necessary
no but why do I need to cut a foot and a half off of here I'm not saving much dough I'd rather give
them the benefit of the extra wire and for us I like I like how thick it is here we're gonna put
an inch of stucco on it but I like the extra fur that way it hangs it's kind of cold today so if it
hangs well it'll dry well that way we can do the finish coat will probably show you the finished
coat when we get to that point okay guys I'll show you a little bit of detail too now J I was
playing went around with my truck and got some issues always working on that thing just spread
this out in an hour and that's almost both coats what I'm doing here is I'm just I thought I don't
want you to have all the fun let me at least get a little bit of work out get some hot si Jin what
we're using is, the cement, you got a lot of cements, guys, you got stuff you buy at Home Depot, "rapid set,"
which has everything in the bag, all you do is I add clean water, you can do both coats in a
day, "Rapid-Set" also makes "Eisenwall," which we prefer doing you put on we put our own sand
in it we buy the bags hundred-pound bag 94 pounds technically, and then we add our own sand, so that's
a better mix for us and we usually go three parts sand to one part cement plaster, and for
brown coats which I'm doing right now we use about the same, can you use two parts sand to four parts sand?
Sure you can, but as a rule, we generally go about three, if I'm doing ceilings, I might go too
because I want it stickier so that gravity doesn't pull it down, anyway guys, a fella told me you should
have a warning on your videos and say, we make it look a lot easier than it is well for the guys who
called me and said hey I wanna put cement board don't take us but two hours to do both coats on
something like this, take a lot longer to attach cement board, you screw up the inside walls, they're
heavy they tweek your body out, plus it's nowhere near a good system is this one right here, last thing we
decided we're going to match the house that we're at right now, because when you're in the backyard
there it looks like part of this pretty here anyway when we're done we'll show you the final
product all right guys we decided on a - finish kind of blended in the best of both worlds, now
your folks watching my ask the question or think to yourself how long before you can do that well
if you look at it and you say, "Kirk's the best," you don't have to wait too long you don't have to
wait until the next day to shoot this with a dash brush or just spray it on, you can do it almost immediately
guys or when the stucco is set now that takes some practice to know when the stucco set now - brush
and some mud you know all the lines of should you reshare a house with plywood you don't have to do
it guys you don't have to if the stuff you have to work with is already pretty good and keep in mind
not everybody can afford to change the current substrate to a plywood just because some folks
can, in fact, my wife and I, we go for walks in the evening we're walking by the library and we notice
a lot of homeless people in front of the library, Some of them say, hey Kirk, spare a few bucks, and of course
man I always think man I've been there that's uh I mean not homeless, but poor, poo,r poor,
you see that it makes you wonder why people spend a lot of dough doing things that's not necessary?
well again a lot of people might watch this and go well I would have spent the money to put new
plywood, but you don't have to, and again a lot of people can't afford it in the first place, so
keep what you got it's a lot cheaper and sometimes like in this case it's a lot better anyhow my name
is Kirk, Jason on the camera we thank you folks for watching and as usual live long and plaster.
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