Officially Joseph Ryan died of a heart attack in 2018,
14 years after his marriage to Lori Vallow ended. He was 59.
But whether this is your gateway video to the Lori Vallow, Chad, Daybell saga,
or you've been following this case closely. Remember to take the phrase,
natural death with a grain of salt,
especially when it happens to someone unlucky enough to have been close to them.
Joseph Ryan, Charles Vallow, JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan,
Tammy Daybell, Alex Cox.
Every death is currently under some form of police investigation.
And yet, as of right now, no murder charges have been filed against them.
So the question today is not just how did Joseph Ryan die, but why?
And with so many deaths surrounding her, I mean, we have to ask, is it possible?
Joe was Laurie's first victim.
Wow. As unpredictable as Lori Vallow seems,
her behavior is actually kind of perfectly predictable,
like in the same way that you can predict an animal will bite you.
If it feels threatened. Now I told you,
Joseph Ryan died of a heart attack in late March, 2018,
but at that makes it sound really clear cut.
And it wasn't quite that black and white. In fact,
we don't know his exact date of death because his body was only found after a
neighbor complained about a strange smell coming from his apartment.
His online obituary lists April 3rd, 2018 at his date of death.
Most likely because that is when his body was discovered.
Now Laurie and Joseph divorced in 2004,
but she's the one who got the call because she was still listed as his next of
kin.
But she let his body sit in the County morgue and didn't bother telling
anyone in his family that he was dead.
Now I understand that after a divorce and Lori was remarried to Charles,
by this time it's normal to fall out of touch with your ex's family,
but come on now they shared a child together.
And would you think her behavior was less understandable if I told you that Joe
sister Annie was very close to the couple while they were married.
She thought of Lori as a sister. And even though Lori and Joe didn't make it,
I mean their daughter Tylee should still have been close to her aunt or somebody
had a contact number, something,
but as we've seen deadly proof of when Lori has done with you,
you are sometimes quite literally dead to her.
And Annie had been out of their lives for a long time.
She found out her brother had died five weeks later,
only after the police tracked down their other brother.
So someone would claim the body.
There was a speedy autopsy and Joe's official cause of death was called a heart
attack. He was quickly cremated. And to answer your next question.
Yes, Lori told family members,
she got his life insurance policy and social security survivor benefits,
but was planning on sharing them with Tylee.
But based on information we've seen reported by other media outlets,
it might be more accurate to say Tylee was the official recipient of that money.
But Lori,
as the manipulative adult was managing it for
her, his sister,
Annie tweeted about the cruel irony of the situation saying I had just reached
out to Joe for the first time, since 2003,
to let him know our mother who had been homeless was confirmed deceased.
He was most likely dead and waiting to be found.
I think I intersected with Lori in the early stage of her radicalization.
She could still be sweet and fun,
but there was a dark mean side I had never witnessed before.
She got to see that side of her up close and personal.
When Lori asked her to visit them in Arizona and spend some time with Tylee.
Also a lot of tension between tiling
Laurie. And he says, Lori discouraged highly from speaking about her dad.
She would actually say the world is a better place without Joe Ryan.
And he sent these texts to her daughter during her visit and was best. Like I,
I can't wait to get out of here. This place is dark, that light all her low,
low. Um, and I said, I think Mo might be a sociopath.
She was so freaked out by the way,
Lori was acting that she cut ties with her after that visit and didn't see her
or Tylee again in early March,
the FBI contacted Phoenix PD about Joseph's death.
But since there doesn't seem to be any recent developments in that
investigation, maybe we could do a little, what if I'll go first?
So what if after 12 long years of feuding about custody
over Tylee,
Laurie got in contact with Joe and asked to meet him at his apartment.
She could have easily said something like she wanted to talk, work things out,
settled their issues. So let's say, and again,
I'm just speculating here,
but what is Lori and Joe were alone in his apartment and she took the
opportunity to end this brutal custody battle once
and for all and get his life insurance just by
poisoning him with something that would induce a heart attack without looking
suspicious in an autopsy. Something like eye drops, maybe.
I mean, they're obviously very easy to get and theoretically,
it wouldn't even be that hard to pour a bottle or less into his drink without
him noticing. I mean, not that I know for sure.
The main ingredient is Tetrahydrazline,
which is which constricts blood vessels to make your eyes look less red.
But if it's ingested in larger quantities,
it constricts blood vessels to the heart causing a heart attack.
Eye drops as a murder weapon had been used before now, just last December,
a man in North Carolina was accused of using to kill his wife for her life
insurance. And a woman was found guilty of manslaughter for dosing.
Her husband's strength with this stuff.
I mean just saying what if Joe and Lori had been
fighting over Tylee longer than they'd been married,
but according to Joe's sister, their relationship had started out so well.
They weren't just madly in love.
I had never seen Joe that happy.
Any recalls or brother Joe Ryan's marriage told Lori Valo as a joyful start for
the couple, my brother had never been married and we had never had a child.
So he was over the.
Yeah,
Annie says her brother was so in love that he converted to Mormonism to marry
her. In 2001,
Laurie had been married twice before her first two husbands are still alive.
As far as I know, she came into the marriage with her young son,
Colby who's like preschool age, his father, his husband, number two,
William Lagioia, a man Lori married in Texas when she was 22,
he was 23 and they divorced a year later in 1996.
And just as we've seen her act all along after they broke up,
she wanted nothing to do with them and encouraged Colby to feel the same way.
William is still alive. So he must've gone quietly. And without any money,
she even went so far as to change Colby.
His last name to Ryan when she married Joseph and she told him to call him dad,
although it appears he wasn't formally like officially adopted by Joe since
all custody disagreement seemed to be focused on Tylee.
Annie admits she witnessed Joe being abusive toward Colby,
but in a may interview with Dateline Colby claims,
it was more than just physical abuse.
He would like spank me.
And then he just did weird things like little hits in the head,
like thought it was funny. So there's a lot of stuff with that. And uh,
you know, he was, uh, sexually abusive as well with you.
Joe and his brothers and sisters grew up in foster care.
Their biological mother was a diagnosed schizophrenia.
And Joe as the oldest got the brunt of her abuse as a result.
And he admits he had a temper and should not have been responsible for
disciplining the kids, especially Colby,
Joe and Lori divorced in 2004 when Tylee was 18 months old.
But it seems like their brutal custody battle really kicked off in 2006
as the son reported that's when Joe filed a motion stating Lori was denying him
visitation with Tylee.
He asked the court to find her hold her in contempt in jail,
her for 18 months for failing to comply with the original custody order.
It's all also uncovered these court documents of Tylee custody in which a Texas
court ordered Laurie to have a psychological evaluation.
After Lori said that death would be an option before letting Tylee visit her dad.
That same year, Laurie married Charles Vallow in Vegas. And just like Joe,
before him, Charles also converted to Mormonism for her,
even though he was Catholic,
he had two sons from a previous marriage and he was also involved in a custody
dispute of his own. And just like before, when Lori married, Charles,
she told Tylee, Joe was her old daddy.
Charles was her new daddy. And both kids were told to call him dad.
Meanwhile Laurie's own custody battle was getting uglier.
She insisted Joe is dangerous and physically and sexually abusing both
Colby and Tylee, YouTube channel WTF, wicked truths,
and F bombs dug up court documents from their Epic custody battle.
And they are apparently some shocking reading crime online gave us a sneak peek,
seen little four year old Tylee told her therapist. She liked visiting her dad,
but didn't want to stay overnight. And then when pushed about that,
according to the therapist's report, Tylee looked at Lori and said,
I told her other similar statements and behaviors indicated to her therapist
that Lori was attempting to manipulate Tylee into repeating some of the messages
she was feeding her. And as a result, the little girl was shutting down.
Now not saying those messages were correct or incorrect as far as the physical
or sexual abuse, but we've seen in the past how manipulative Lori can be.
We've also seen how far Laurie's brother Alex Cox would go to do his sister's
bidding up to and including helping murder her own children in 2019.
But in August, 2007, his mission was to punish Joe,
even chasing him through a Barnes and noble parking lot with a stun gun after
Joe dropped highly off after a visitation.
Mary Tracy met Alex Cox in 2006 at a comedy club in Phoenix,
extremely funny and silly,
very remembers Alex telling her he had to go to Austin,
Texas to handle family matters in August, 2007.
But the next year she learned Alex pleaded guilty to assaulting Joseph riot.
The ex-husband of Lori Vallow court documents say Alex teased Ryan twice and
threatened to kill him. Alex was sentenced to 90 days in jail.
He was really obsessed. And
to Mary says,
Alex sent her letters and usually found a way to mention his ex-brother-in-law
this extra Threatt do me a favor call Janice that's Alex's mother,
ask her to put Joe's address on a postcard and his license plate number.
I think it will be popular here in another letter. Mary says, Alex wrote PS,
can you get a picture from Lori of one of her ex-husbands and send it to me.
Some of the guys would like to hang out with him.
Both Laurie and Charles were dealing with custody battles,
will law and crime discuss some of the overlapping allegations made in the court
documents obtained by wicked truth.
Yeah,
I've been going through these documents related to Lori's divorce from Joseph,
uh, and we're learning some frightening things.
I'm going to turn it over to you. What can you share with us? Okay.
So last week we went over a lot of what was in the documents from Lori and
Joseph, which is Tylese father's divorce.
But now over the weekend, the same website,
wicked truths obtained divorce documents for Charles Vallow and
his ex.
And the reason that's important is they coincide at the same time.
He's battling with his ex because he has sons with her.
And Lori is battling with Tylee's dad and they're,
and they're overlapping in time and in, um, allegations.
Um, and we've learned some disturbing allegations.
So I have to say allegations because you know,
things get really nasty in a custody dispute and a divorce dispute and untrue
definitely can be told from both sides.
So we don't have any confirmation of this,
but there are accusations that involve inappropriate, um,
either sexual acts or, uh,
conversations that have to do between Charles Valo sons and Laurie's
son and little entirely is like four years old at this time.
And what we've learned in the paperwork is a judge ordered Charles and
Gloria. So they're married at this point,
but they're still battling custody with their,
both their exes or of them to put surveillance cameras inside their home,
inside the boy's room,
where they sleep when they visit their dad and inside Colby Ryan's room and
inside the family room. And that was actually ordered.
So they could see what was happening in the home.
Charles ex wife, Cheryl,
nothing suspicious or criminal was ever found on the video footage,
but Cheryl remembers how Lori seemed to enjoy being in court and all the drama
surrounding it.
Apparently because the two custody battles hearse with Joe Charles with his ex
were so intertwined. The judge combined their cases in the courtroom,
which seems bizarre, but Laurie loved it. And as a reminder,
right now,
it's looking like she and Chad Davis will also be sharing a courtroom in the
future. Cheryl is quoted as saying,
that's when I learned she doesn't do what she's told to do if she doesn't want
to. I saw that a lot in court and we've seen it a lot too. Right.
But then after spending thousands of dollars in time and legal fees for custody
of his sons who lived in Texas,
Charles and Lori moved to Arizona and because her custody agreement with Joe
stipulated that he lived within a hundred miles of her,
he had to follow her to Arizona, where we can see from his LinkedIn page.
He took a job in Scottsdale.
Laurie became familiar with Chad day bell in 2015.
And Annie remembers her fascination with Chad's series of books about doomsday.
She recalls Laurie's obsession with end of times, ideas.
There was this one time where she was tactful about it. And she says,
sometimes I think that would just be better just to
put my kids in a car and go off the side of the play.
By the fall of 2018. Lori and Chad had met face to face at a conference.
And according to her former friend, Melanie Gibb,
they quickly became inseparable with Chad telling Lori that they'd been married
several times in past lives. According to Melanie, they talked,
emailed or texted each other daily.
Laurie even had a separate phone to use for their conversations. By January,
2019, Charles was telling people she'd lost her grip on reality.
She was threatening to kill him in July 20, 19,
only 16 months after Joe Ryan died.
Alex helps her follow through on her threat to Charles.
And I remember I told you, Alex attacked Joe with a stun gun in 2007,
after a visitation with Tylee on July 11th, 2019,
when Charles came to Laurie's house to pick up their adopted son, JJ.
So Alex said they got into an argument and Charles hit him with a baseball bat.
So in fear of his life, Alex shot and killed him to the police.
Lori and Alex had conflicting stories about the alleged argument and whether or
not Lori was in the house when he was shot, but inexplicably,
the police took their word for it and classified it as self-defense shooting.
But in light of the many deaths surrounding Lori,
the investigation into charles' death is now reopened,
but we can already see that Lori is following the same playbook after his
shooting acting so indifferent about his death,
that she hosted at rowdy pool party the same day,
and almost pathologically refuse to admit how he died to family and friends.
Take a look at these bizarre text messages, the tone between her and Charles,
his sons. And of course, the fact that she told her step sons,
their father had died via text message is almost unbelievable.
I mean, almost she even lied to her own son about it.
A phone call in the middle of the day and said that he had had a heart attack.
And so I was like, wow, like she said, he had a heart attack at the house.
So I'm thinking what, like highly sat there and saw him go down.
My family had to watch him how the hardest attack, like that's horrible.
And just like Joe, Charles was cremated and forgotten his ex wife.
Cheryl says, Lori scheduled no funeral services, nothing.
Instead she sent his ashes to assist her Kay and her husband, Larry.
Those are JJ, his grandparents.
They begged her to let JJ go to the Memorial they'd planned, but she refused.
Charles was 62 when he was killed.
But there was one thing Lori hadn't counted on.
Charles had had a front row seat to her battle with Joe and he had seen
firsthand what can happen when Lori and her brother, Alex, turn on you.
Lawyers with concerns about his wife rebalance and Laurie's brother Alex Cox.
The Arizona attorney told me on the phone, Charles feared for his safety.
So we told Charles to get an order of protection against Lori,
which he says Charles did. And the attorney also told Charles.
To remove Lori as a beneficiary on his $1 million life insurance policy.
She said, no,
I want her to be the beneficiary because if I die,
I want her to get the money so that she can take care of JJ,
because I know she'll be able to take care of him.
The financial stress of having a child with special needs such as
Beijing.
I can't help,
but wonder how much did Charles know or suspect about his wife's involvement in
Joe's death?
Thanks to tracking data from Alex's cell phone almost two months to the day
after charles' death. We know his son, JJ and stepdaughter,
Tylee were murdered and buried in Chad Daybell's backyard sometime in
September, 2019 on October 19th, Chad's first wife,
Tammy healthy, 49 year old,
suddenly died in her sleep of natural causes leaving behind
$430,000 in life insurance.
Her death is also under an investigation with an autopsy pending on
November 5th, 2019.
Chad and Lori were married in Hawaii today. They're both in jail,
awaiting trial for conspiracy to destroy or alter or conceal evidence of
her children's bodies. At the moment,
Lori is also facing multiple misdemeanors in Madison County for withholding
information about the kids' whereabouts plus she's got the two felony charges in
Fremont County, Idaho. They're both pleading, not guilty.
Laurie requested a jury trial for her misdemeanor charges,
and that is now scheduled for January 25th through
January 29th, 2021.
And why she thinks there are 12 people anywhere on earth who might
find her innocent is shocking, but Hey,
she's gotten away with it this far. So maybe she's right.
Let's keep this conversation going.
There are a lot of dangerous people out there and you've got things to do.
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