Camming is not a normal job.
A lot of people kind of get confused about the limits.
I see people from all walks of life - builders, bankers, bloggers.
Hi, babes. Hi, Callum. How are you?
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The weirdest thing that I've ever been asked to do on cam
is to do a confession tape admitting that I had sex with dogs.
Nope.
Who wants to see tits for tips?
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I love it. Thank you.
I want to know what's going on in their heads,
what they really think of porn, camming and the sex industry.
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But what they don't know is that they all have one person in common,
and that is me.
I'm going to be in the next room, listening and watching
everything they say.
Asking the questions to steer the conversation exactly
where I want it to go.
I love two things in life,
women and money, and I managed to find a way of combining the two,
as I run a live sex cam site.
Ominous looking table...
..and a banging crowd as well.
He sounds so posh!
I think my ultimate all-time idol would be Margaret Thatcher.
But when it comes to sex,
I definitely keep the more conservative side of things
at the bedroom door.
I work on one of his cam sites.
I wonder what he's going to say about me or about the industry.
I'm interested now.
I'm originally from Poland.
Got into cam girling four years ago...
..and I'm single.
My name is Matt.
Matt? I'm Joe. Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
He's one of my subscribers.
At the moment, I just see them as just a name on my screen.
I use cam girls.
Sometimes I spend £20 a week.
He's probably had a wank over me
and now I'm going to come face-to-face with him
and maybe even touch the same hand that he's had around his cock.
I run a really successful camming website.
My dad got me into the industry.
It's literally... It's in my DNA.
Hello. Hey, how you doing? You all right? Hi. You all right?
How's it going? You all right?
I'm Olly. Olly? OK.
Wicked.
I have known him for around seven years.
I know him really well!
It's not a bad thing.
Like, you're not a slag if you're doing it.
You're not anything like that.
You're trying to make your money in a certain way
and that's your way of doing it.
At a glance, they all seem so different,
but they're not, because they've all got me in common.
I'm a feminist, and it makes me really angry when a young girl
is exploited and they come into the industry
because there's no need for it.
Jiggling your titties around live on a webcam and flashing your fanny,
then there's definitely... That's sex work to me.
I got into cam girling
because it's better than just watching porn in general.
I'm just going to ease them in with a simple question.
All right, guys. "How much porn do you watch?"
It's a bit of an out there question, innit? Yeah!
I'd say that depends how horny you feel.
Put whatever porn you want to watch for like a few minutes,
have a quick wank and you're done,
but if you're feeling really horny then you just wank for hours,
pretty much, ending up doing that.
As a mechanic, sometimes you've got so much stress in your head...
Of course. ..to get it passed, and so at the end of the day
you just go home, have a wank, go to sleep. I'm relaxed.
To be honest with you, like, I've got a girlfriend and, like,
my best way is in the shower to think about her, bruv.
It's the thing that gets me off.
Bullshit. I don't think anyone sits there
and wanks over their girlfriends.
Come on!
You watch porn.
I love porn. I watch...
I use it pretty much every day.
Adult online stuff is so instantly accessible
to give you what you want, which, from a male point of view,
is an orgasm as many times a day as possible.
The problem is an orgasm is a bit like crack.
It's quite moreish.
I wonder if porn warps these guys' perception of sex.
In real life it's completely different to what we watch.
Course it is. You are wanking and having an orgasm to something
you're watching and then you want to re-enact it
and go and try what you've watched.
I'm not going to lie.
What I watch on porn, like, I fully do with my girlfriend, innit?
And, like, I'm not going to lie, but I do feel like without porn
I would've worked out how to do all this stuff myself.
I think his girlfriend's gone, "You WILL mention me!"
Porn is there to be a cut above normal sex,
and it has to be so people watch it.
Guys get a really unrealistic view of what I'm going to do
on the cam for them.
"Shove your fist up your arsehole!"
No.
And not for £2 a minute either.
So, do you two get a lot of sex?
Not as much as I'd like.
Not as much as you'd like?
I slept with one and that was my ex.
I broke up with her, like, six months ago. Six, seven months ago.
I had a girlfriend, so we had loads of sex,
but after we broke up I just don't do it as much.
I think I have enough sex to satisfy myself so that's a blessing.
I've got a girlfriend, so... Of course.
So, is it open with the girlfriend?
Do you, like, bang other pussy?
"Do you bang other pussy?"
No, no, it's just the one. Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah, I'm loyal like that, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I lost my virginity with an escort,
so I've always kept it quite simple. Oh, really?
Has that always been your kind of...? Yeah.
Then it was the V-card gone.
I wonder if he's ever been in love and he's had his heart broken
and that's why he uses escorts and webcam.
It's a tough one - sex or money?
Sex or money - I could never decide which one I like the most.
Oh, OK. Oh, yeah. I think I like sex the most, to be fair.
I'd go for money,
because then you can get as much sex as you want anyway.
Where's the evidence? Is that 100% evidence in that,
that you'll get a load of girls if you have money?
If you pay them £140 an hour to take their pants off, then yeah.
Wouldn't you rather just have sex with people
that actually wanted you for who you are? No.
So far, it's been really, really interesting,
but I really think I need to put the pressure on now
and find out exactly what they think of cam girls.
"Do you watch cam girls?"
Yes!
Are you a big fan of the cam girls?
I do like them.
I think I prefer them more than just normal porn.
It's just much better cos you've got a contact with a girl
in front of you.
It's a lot more of a personalised service, isn't it? Yeah.
Do you watch cam girls?
I used to quite a bit, but, to be honest, now, no is the short answer.
Cool, cool.
I do get to see quite a lot of content through my site,
and also you get to see kind of what idiots men are,
in the sense, you know, sometimes we have customers paying
hundreds of pounds to do something like watch a girl smoke a cigarette.
But when I was younger I did kind of video camera myself having a wank
and then watched it back and had another wank over it,
so it was kind of like an Inception wank,
like a wank within a wank.
You filmed yourself wanking... Yeah.
..and you watched it back? Yeah.
You know, what's a better ego boost than wanking over your own face?
Not literally, but whilst watching yourself cum.
So he wanks over himself?
That is not a thing.
How much money do you spend on cam girls, Matt?
It depends, cos I don't use them like literally every day
or every week.
I do go on them, but I don't spend the money sometimes.
Do you find it creepy that I pay money to do that?
Not really. To be honest with you, like, yeah,
I totally respect people who go on them.
We do get a lot of lonely guys on there, on our site,
but also generally on all sites, looking for one-on-one interaction.
Everybody's got a different fetish and because of that,
I think it provides a really good service.
I'm kind of, like, I'm one of those foot guys.
It's kind of pretty much anything, like, south of the ankle,
and it really does it for me.
The main one I'd say is like femdom kind of stuff.
I don't normally like to talk about my fetishes
cos that is not something you do talk about in public.
One of them is femdom, which is female domination,
and that's what I enjoy the most from all of it.
I wouldn't do it in real life.
So is it not frustrating never getting to, like, live out
your kind of fantasy that you want to try?
So, I'd love to try it out, but in real life it's much harder,
cos the girl would say, "Oh, you're a weirdo."
There is a lot of fetishes out there.
I do female domination online.
I take pictures. I do videos. "You do what I say!"
Never done it in real life to anyone.
If I was a woman, I'd be a lot richer than I am now
cos I think every woman walking around
literally has a cash point between her legs.
Those things just spit banknotes out.
Yeah, it's so easy for a woman to get money out of whatever.
I just want to stop there. Like, you say every woman
has a banknote in between their legs. Yeah.
Like, women are so different in so many different ways.
You know, obviously you see it from a certain side
and you're in a certain industry and stuff, but, you know,
at the end of the day, they're all human beings like that.
I'm really shocked.
I'm kind of blown away that he is saying stuff like that about women.
I can't wait to go in there.
But there's nothing more stupid than a man with an erection,
and it's someone that is a prime target to be taken advantage of.
I don't think men are exploited in this industry,
to be honest with you. I think men exploit themselves.
Yes, men do exploit themselves.
A man with an erection,
if he doesn't have control over that, then that's his problem.
You know, those sites aren't forcing anybody to go on them.
It really annoys me when they say the man's getting exploited.
It's his choice to go on the website. You know how easy it is
to manipulate an 18-year-old girl who's just come from school,
who's willing to put their body out like that,
so they're the ones who end up getting exploited,
which is really unfair.
When I used to use cam girls, it was entirely sexual.
But again, watching it with customers,
there's quite a big customer market where it's, say,
40, 50-year-old men, often married,
that are either married or divorced and they're very, very lonely.
If people want to pay me to talk to me about their problems,
then I'll sit there and listen, but we are here to make money.
I want to know what they think of me.
I want to know whether they think I'm this seedy,
up-for-it, nymphomaniac girl.
I think there isn't such a thing.
I think the actual type of girls we have are all so different, like.
They're all human so they all got, like, different things in their head.
They're very strong people, to be fair, I think.
They're the stronger sex.
Yeah, women are beautiful in all sizes, all shapes...
I wouldn't go that far.
Can't... Well, I think... ..can't be doing with a fatty!
There's nothing worse than a fatty. See, again...
Like, what about if someone turned around
and said you're too skinny or you're too fat?
If a woman turned around and said that to you, that...
Dunno about all that, though, man. Girl who's a little bit overweight
might watch this and think, really offensive... I am watching!
Eat less Big Macs. I think that's a disgusting...
I really think that's a disgusting view, bruv, I'll be honest with you.
I'm really disappointed you would say that.
And you're a webcam owner as well.
I feel like you should take a look at yourself on that one.
That's weird. That's a random question.
"You've all got one person in common. Who is it?"
Like...
What?
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Someone's at the door, innit? Yeah.
That's more like a police raid knock, rather than...
..rather than Father Christmas!
Oh, my days! Nah!
You know what? You represented! No way! You represented!
You know I represented, though! You represented! No, honestly.
Hi, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
And you might not recognise me,
but I actually work on your website. OK.
So you have a fatty on your website!
Oh, my God. I didn't know that.
But I think you're very rude. Really? You're very rude.
You have come across very, very badly.
Like, you've put yourself across badly.
Considering you own a website,
no-one's going to want to work for you.
I'd say more...I'd say more honest. It's not honest, though, is it?
You could've insulted a lot of people
that maybe could have earned you a lot of money.
So, Joseph, what has a woman done to you
to make you so, like, aggressive towards women,
and have that really insulting opinion on someone, you know?
I want to know what...have you been hurt?
Like, has a girl fucked you over, stamped on your face or something,
for you to have this opinion?
No, I've never...I've never really kind of done the girlfriend thing,
or feelings or that... Do you feel quite intimidated by women?
No, not at all. No, no, not remotely.
Not even...not even you, Bex. I would say so. I think so.
But I would possibly say intimidated by, um...
..emotional kind of feelings, and all that bollocks. Mm.
I think it's very weak and indulgent and decadent.
And I don't want this to be all about,
let's just pick on Joseph, but...
I'm a narcissist, I like being picked on.
I've never heard of someone wanking off over a video of themselves,
so we're both learning things today! It's common. It's really common.
It's a mainstream wanking activity.
I...I've been in this industry ten years,
and I've never heard of anything like that.
Maybe have your own cam site where it's just you... Just me!
That is my wet dream, right there. Yeah. That's my wet dream.
So, Matt, what's made you so self-conscious?
I think you're the sweetest guy that's been here,
I think you're lovely!
What...what makes you think that you can't go up to a girl in a club?
Like, what holds you back?
People, they...sometimes they are afraid of their fetishes and kinks.
They don't want to come out with it in public
or talk to their wives or girlfriends.
That's why they use cam websites, to ask the cam girl about this,
if she can do that for him, because that's what it's about.
It's about sexual purposes and sexual frustrations,
and that's why they go on these websites, to get themselves out.
Yeah. Yeah.
Would you let me dominate you? Yeah! That's probably one of the things.
I've got some boots on... Hey!
But I've never talked about this kind of stuff in...in public.
After talking with Bex,
I'll try to talk more about my fetishes with the girls.
Do you find that you're trapped in camming, at all, Bex, or...?
I would never stop doing it.
I enjoy it too much. I enjoy...the freeness of it.
But I feel like I am, because I wanted to be an actress.
And because the job I do, no-one's ever going to take me seriously.
And it is a stigma that is completely attached to webcamming
and the sex industry.
I think I learned a lot today. We're all part of the same industry,
and all collaborate and give to it in different ways.
But also learned we're all very different people round that table.
Would you say that you consider yourself to be a sex worker?
There's a fine line between a sex worker,
who has sex with men for money, and myself.
I mean, nothing to say against escorts,
but I don't put myself in that category at all,
cos I don't sleep with any of my customers
or anyone that talks to me. Yeah.
And that's where I draw the line.
So I'd like to say that I'm in the sex industry
rather than a sex worker.
I've definitely not came out of the experience with any shift in opinion
or any great kind of epiphany where I've dropped to my knees
thinking, "Jesus, Olly is right!"
I'm leaving exactly the same person I arrived as.
Would you ever date a customer?
I think straight up, it would...it would scare me off a little bit.
But now I've met you, like, you're a completely normal person,
and you subscribe to my site. And that, for me is like, you know...
That's...you've changed my perception
of men that subscribe to the site. Oh, good! So, yeah.
VOICEOVER: Today was a real eye opener for me.
You cannot put cam users all in one box.
I mean, isn't it a little bit strange that everyone in this room
is so different, but everyone has that link?
I mean, I've worked with you, I actually use your site,
and, obviously, you subscribe.
But everyone has, like, a really different opinion
on the whole industry.
Yes, cos obviously camming brings all sorts of different people.
On the cam girls, obviously, we may differ with our opinions,
but, you know, we might jerk off to the same girl!
Very good point, mate! I mean... Yeah.