Hey everyone, look who's back! "Look who's back, back again..."
we have Izzy and Korinne back with us since you guys
loved having them here! We have another all-girls episode which I'm so excited
about. I love the guys, you know, but it's fun to have you with us. I'm really excited about today's
topic too that we're doing, we're gonna be talking all about modesty and garments
and this is specifically going to be most impactful I think for people who
are already members of the church and are endowed so they're wearing the
garment, wearing garments currently but if you don't know what garments are
because you're not endowed yet or you're just learning about the church, we
have an episode that Kwaku did that we will put in right here and you can
watch that first just to get a good idea of what garments are all about. Hey I got
a question, I got a question-- do you guys watch this show? It's what Kwaku does...
If you watch the show, you would have got it... Okay, question.
What are garments? Like when do we receive them, when we start wearing them? Yeah um
so garments are actually, LDS folks, when we go through the temple and
receive what we call an endowment we wear garments. It's like a piece
of under clothing that replaces underwear. We wear them as an outward
expression of our inward devotion to follow Jesus Christ. That's what we say.
So we try to wear them as much as possible. Again, check out Kwaku's
episode on explaining the garment, he'll go into detail but that's just like a
quick overview of what they are and so with that we are advised to wear, like Izzy
said, our garments as often as we can but that is where kind of different
opinions come in because some people, you know, I mean obviously you don't wear
them when you're showering or anything like that but working out is a good
example of a controversy I guess in the church of when people wear garments or
not. So what are you guys takes on wearing garments while you're working out?
So one of the most important things I think to remember is that people are
gonna have different standards, I guess you could say, on garments
and so it's important not to judge anyone if they have different standards
and you know my personal standard with working out is- for a while when I first
got endowed, I would wear the garments no matter what like even if I was working
out, super sweaty. Now kind of my rule of thumb is if I'm gonna sweat a ton, I want
to be respectful to the garments and I don't want them to get gross and dirty and so
I don't wear them but as soon as I'm done I'll shower and then put them back
on so it's kind of like my rule of thumb, my standards but what are your guys's. So I
personally wear my garments like all the time, when I'm working out or if I'm not
working out, just because for me it's like-- um I don't know I just always like
to have it on and I know like with you, that doesn't mean you're a bad person
because you take them off when, you know, you have a great reason to and I'm sure
you put them right back on when you're done which i think is great but for
me personally I just like having it on all the time so I do that and I know I
can buy clothes and I have clothes that will fit me that I can wear the garments
with but if I like, I don't know, if I was on a sports team and our sports uniform
was like a tank top for example I would wear that because that must mean that
the tank top would help my athletic abilities in that way so I don't judge
like tennis players. Like I played tennis in high school and I were tank top
but that's because it helped my serve, you know what I mean like, it helped not
getting them the way so it depends on if it's a like a uniform but for me if it's
not a uniform, I always wear my garments when I workout. I wear
them when I am like, every time except when I'm working out, I just don't like, I
don't know, I used to try to wear them all the time like on my mission I was
like oh my goodness I have to wear these at all times. I cannot
veer from that, you know. But now I feel like, I don't know, if I'm gonna sweat a
lot, if it's gonna be gross, I just try not to wear them but I love what Korinne
said about how we like-- judgment, I feel like we like to judge a lot. Like if
there's like Instagram people especially influencers, a lot of times my friends
will be like, "Do you think she's even wearing her garment, bro?" and I'm like, "Do we
care?" You know? Like do we care about that and like what is she like as a person? How
do we know her as a person and we can't, we can't tell that she's like
totally off the right path or whatever and we can't say that so-- I like
when you said that. I like that too and I think it's because we all, you know, made
that covenant with God and it's all the same covenant that we need and we all
made the covenant to keep wearing the same garments and I think that's where
the judgment comes in because it's like, "Oh I'm doing this the right way in my
eyes, why are you not doing it the right way in my eyes? You know what I mean? But
really, it's all, it's personal with how-- we're advised to wear them as
often as we can but it's personal how far you take that. Yes. Another thought- so
for people who aren't endowed yet who are maybe watching this, you might be
like nervous about getting endowed because then you have to wear garments,
you're like, "Oh am I gonna be super hot? Is it uncomfortable? I'm gonna have to
throw my whole, throw away my whole wardrobe?" For me it was really
comforting getting endowed and putting on the garments cuz it was like a piece
of me that I felt like I hadn't had before and I was like a hundred percent
whole and everything so that was really cool
so when you guys do get endowed if you're not endowed, look for that, it's
really awesome and also I think just if you're not endowed and you're wanting to
get endowed and leading up to that, just like make sure your clothing are like in
standards for wearing garments, then that's a super easy transition. Totally-
and you don't worry about anything. With that being said, how do you guys
feel about like adjusting the garment? Obviously like we're told not to but
like, I don't know, I feel like I have some friends who are just like, "If I just
put in a little bit, if I do this--" or another thing is there's different
garments that vary in lengths and some are known to buy the 'short' garments.
Yeah. To explain that more, so basically garments can come in the
regular size or there's a petite and then there's also a long. There's also
different fabrics, things like that, stuff that's more comfortable. Yeah it makes it
comfortable, like there's all different kinds of-- the church actually just released a
new kind of garment, have you guys tried it yet? Literally wearing it rn.
I need to get those, I'm so excited. Anyway, it's just to make things more
comfortable. And anyway, sh the petite-- so there is a thing
where some people are like, "Oh my gosh, if you're tall, you can't buy the petite
garments because they just come shorter on you because usually they go
to your, like around your knee length but it
makes it shorter so you can wear shorter stuff. And also another thing
I've heard is some people buying maternity garments because they have a
lower cut.
So there's maternity -- it's lower cut so we can breastfeed. Hahaha just to explain to you guys.
It's lower cut so you can wear more, you know, lower cut tops. What do you
guys like, what are your opinions on that? It's like kind of buying garments that
aren't specifically for you but it makes it easier for you to dress a
certain way. Yeah I actually have friends who do that.
I personally don't, I don't do it. I think that the garment should like-- if
you're not petite you shouldn't get a petite garment, you know? But I'm not
gonna judge someone again if they do buy that, I'm not gonna be like, "Hey that's
extremely unworthy of you, I can't believe you'd do something like that."
Yeah but honestly it's not like it's not a thing. The tall ones- but then you're
like who are the tall ones? I guess they just go longer but if someone wants buy
that, like that doesn't matter. I think it's important to remember the higher law and remind
ourselves that we are wearing our garments because it's a covenant and it
protects us from evil and from temptation and reminds us of our purpose
here on earth and so I think that it's just important that we respect them and
not wear them differently than what's recommended. I love that, it's so
true because honestly wearing garments are such a huge blessing. I love wearing
garments and I love all the blessings and protection that comes from it and you
know, if some people decide to wear a different kind of garment
that might not fit them correctly or not wear their garments in certain
situations, that's not our place to judge but I mean if anything, it's their loss,
they're missing out on blessings if they're not wearing it all the time, you
know? I think we should just do our own thing and be there and be
striving to live the covenants the best we can and let other people do the same
thing. I think something when I was thinking about this subject a lot, what--
like when we got this subject to talk about, I was just thinking about how
everyone's commitment levels vary and that doesn't mean one's worse than
another just because someone wears their garment differently didn't mean
they're a worse person or their faith is less than mine in
any way. I think that we're all just at such different levels spiritually that
the Lord takes that into account and the Lord will take into account what these
people are doing and so that's what I have to remind myself when I see someone
that I feel like it's not wearing the garment the right way I have to remind
myself that this is all between them and the Lord. This isn't between me and that
person. Like I have no say in what's going on in their life.
Which kind of like leads into modesty because there's so many gray areas.
Like there's not like a black and white like, "Oh you can wear that, you can't wear that."
So like what are your guys thoughts on modesty? What are your approaches and
everything? So I really liked what you said about preparing to receive garments
by dressing in a modest way before you got them. I wish I would have done that
more because I just it made it a harder transition when you're not dressing
modestly and then you are kind of forced to dress modestly because you need to
cover the garment and that's something I personally wish that I would have done
more. I mean I did my best but there were some things that I mean, I love clothes
and I love fashion and I'm not perfect and there were times where-- thank you.
So I'm not perfect and when I was a teenager I was really focused like
on my looks and how, you know, people like what people thought about me and fashion
and everything and I didn't always dress perfectly modest. I was involved in
modeling and sometimes there is times that I didn't have the confidence to
tell people that I wasn't okay with wearing certain things and that's
something that I've regretted-- okay, not regret anything but, I mean I guess I
kind regret that, I don't know. But I wish that I had had a stronger testimony in
modesty before receiving garments because it made it -- it would have made it so
much easier so if you're watching this and you're preparing to get garments and
maybe even a long time down the road, I really recommend dressing modestly now
because it makes it a lot easier. Yeah. And going along with modesty, one thing
that's kind of like a hot topic around Mormons is bikinis so should you wear a
bikini or one-piece? What are your guys thoughts on that?
I'm not gonna tell anyone to wear a bikini or one-piece. I'm not gonna be
like, hey you shouldn't wear that. Again I'm like very lenient on that but personally I would never
wear a bikini, like that's just not something I wear. I feel like you're kind
of in your underwear in public when you're wearing a bikini, just my opinion.
I know what like what is the line like, if you go to the beach in like a bra and
underwear, people probably wouldn't say anything but if you like, I don't know
how far can you go away from the beach and not look like you're in underwear if
you're in a swimsuit? I just, I just don't know.
But then again, I wouldn't wear a one piece at the store.
I wouldn't like walk into Wal Mart and be like Heyyy! So I don't know. That's so true. What do you think?
So I don't wanna lead people
one way or another but I was talking with my mom about it a lot and I was like hey,
what does LDS.org say, what have the prophets said, what does the For
Strength of Youth-- they've said nothing about bikinis which I think is really
interesting because the church lets us govern ourselves. Like we're in charge of
our agency and everything but I decided that my personal stance on it is
I'm not gonna wear a bikini because I want to be respectful with my body and
it's a gift and a temple and so I don't want to do anything that I'm portraying
in a different way or having a different attitude about myself.
So that's kind of my personal opinion but I've had lots of discussions with
people and they're like, "I want to wear a bikini." I'm like, you know, that's your
decision and so for me that's not something I want to do and I think we
have to decide what our purpose is and our intent behind wearing a bikini. Yeah. I
think it's all about like the intent and motivation.
And it's so interesting though that like prophets or no one has come out and said
bikinis are bad yet people can be so judgmental to people who are wearing
bikinis because you can be in a one-piece and try to show off your body
and it can be in a two-piece and try to like be covering up because I actually
know a girl who has a specific body shape and so she has a particular
body shape and she when she wears a one-piece, it is less modest and when she
wears a two-piece just because of how her body is shaped and so
she wears two pieces so I don't think there's anything wrong with
that because I know that she's going in with the right intentions and like you
said, our bodies are temples and that's the main thing is we are trying to be
pure and sacred and protect our bodies and however we need to do that, we can
do that. So I personally wear a one-piece because that's how I feel like I do that
but I think it depends on the person and their motivation behind it. I just like, I
think Korinne has-- both of you have such beautiful views-- Korinne just said so many good things right
now about like, did you say like the church doesn't ever come out with
something but they expect us to have our own like spiritual kind of awakening
towards it and it's kind of the higher law and I feel like modesty for me is
one of those higher laws that you have to live. I just was reminded of a
scripture when you were saying it, "Teach them correct principles and they will govern
themselves" and I feel like the church teaches us correct principles, they teach
us that our bodies are a temple, they teach us that like our
covenants are direct-- the way we wear things are like a direct sign of
our covenants through the garment and things like that and so therefore what
we do after that is all up to us and I think that's the beautiful part of the
gospel in general is that God trusts us so much and modesty is so individualized
to each of us. Like we can't sit here and be like, "Okay, these are all the rules." And
the church is like that with a lot of things, like Word of Wisdom,
like is drinking caffeine okay or different things like that and so I
think that's a main thing that the church is trying to teach us is agency
and learning for ourselves what's right. Yeah, in kind of along, like this past
conference President Nelson talked a lot about like having the Holy Ghost with us to
receive revelation. I think like if we're wondering, "Oh should I wear a bikini?
Should I not? That's something you can take up with God and you'll be able to
receive your own answer so you don't have to listen to other people, you don't have to
pay attention to the standards of the world, you can pay attention to Heavenly
Father and what he wants you to live And I think the For Strength of Youth
is always a good place. Like I think we put that to the side a lot if we're not
youth anymore, we're like, "Eh, it's not for us." But I think it's huge. Definitely.
I turn to it all the time. Just the other day I turned to it and was like, "Okay."
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