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[crackling music]
Feels like maybe we should've started with body armor
and then learned to do a bunch of dangerous things.
>> Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
Feels like we should also have an adult.
Yeah, that's why we have Kyle Brown,
combat veteran and security specialist here with us.
Thank you so very much.
All right, walk us through the fundamentals
of what we should know about,
and I made the mistake of saying bulletproof armor,
and you very quickly were like,
"Bullet resistant."
>> Yeah, bullet resistant.
It's not a waterproof watch,
it's water resistant, same thing goes for body armor.
You can design a vest that will stop a bullet,
but someone's going to design a bullet
that will stop the vest.
[laughs]
>> JASON: That's good, I like that.
>> That just got very scary.
[laughs]
>> So there are different grades,
threat levels of body armor. >> Yep.
>> Can you tell us a little about those?
>> Yeah, so you can start with a basic level
that's like a level III, they're all tested by the NIJ.
They're the group that tests your body armor
to decide how resilient it is.
So you've got level III, you've got level IIIA,
You've got level IV.
There's also level two but that's basically like a T-shirt,
it's nothing spectacular.
>> Wait, why would anybody wear a level II?
I guess because it's better than nothing?
>> Because it's a soft washed Old Navy
with a picture of the Doors on it
and there's at six dollars.
>> The cops harass you for not wearing a shirt.
>> Yeah [mumbles].
>> Move it along, sir.
>> So a level II armor's going to be something
that like an executive protection detail.
Say you're a CEO and you want to have a bodyguard
that doesn't look like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
then you want them to wear a suit,
and they're going to wear that underneath,
or they're going to wear something like this.
This is level IIIA body armor.
It's a little bit thicker,
it's got Kevlar fibers inside.
Sometimes there's other proprietary fibers,
lots of nylon.
This will stop a 357 bullet.
>> That sounds just insane to me.
>> This doesn't feel like it's going to stop anything.
>> Yeah, and if you feel it, man,
for lack of a better word,
the texture, this feels like fruit leather,
this feels like a fruit roll up.
Feel that and tell me I'm wrong.
>> I usually don't leave the house without
a good healthy layer of fruit roll up under my shirt.
>> Okay, but we should note that ballistics are different,
I guess armor piercing rounds would be what?
They would just be sharp stabbies, or?
>> Sharp stabbies, that's a good way to put it.
>> That's what they call them.
>> Exactly, yeah.
So a sharp point armor piercing round,
like if someone went up against you with a 308,
like from a sniper rifle, that...
>> That won't do anything.
>> It'd be just like a T-shirt.
>> Got it.
>> So there's no stopping.
That's like level IV hard armor,
that's metal with a ceramic composite,
sometimes they put what's basically like truck bed liner
on the outside, which helps with fragmentation and spalling.
>> But now this one specifically says
not for use with stabby things?
>> It is not intended to protect against
rifle fire, or sharp edged or pointed instruments.
>> So you were saying that that's kind of a flaw,
like there is incredible armor that can resist
even like a grenade blast.
>> Sure.
>> But then all of a sudden, you just shank somebody
and you're out.
>> Exactly, there was an armor that was basically made
to be ceramic dragon scales,
and the Marine Corps was super into it,
and then they found out really quickly
that you could just slide a blade
right up in between those scales,
and that kind of nullified the whole reason for the armor.
>> But now you're couching us as the bad guys
in this situation.
>> No.
>> We're trying to protect ourselves
from an alien threat here.
>> Yeah, let's be real clear,
we are playing Civilization, or Age of Empires
and we're going to have that moment,
that all of a sudden, like, you know,
a military, with body armor comes in,
and all of a sudden we're still in the primitive era,
and we're throwing flint at everyone.
We want to see if that's going to work.
>> Let's set up Dave with a vest.
>> Yeah.
This looks lik the end of Die Hard.
[laughs]
We just need to put a nine millimeter back there.
God, this was always my favorite part,
in any historical video game,
the mismatch of technologies.
What do you think, Kyle,
do you think this is going to work or no?
>> Well, yeah, that's a stabbing weapon,
I think that's probably going to.
>> It definitely says on the package,
not for stabbing weapons.
>> Assuming you can hit it.
>> Yeah, see, you could have a much smaller target.
So this is all you.
>> Yeah, that's the size of the tacocat's face,
and I was never able to hit it.
Okay, are you ready?
All right, here goes.
>> JASON: You got this!
>> BRIAN: All right, we all clear?
>> Line it up.
Let it rip.
>> BRIAN: All right, here we go!
No! [laughs]
>> So close.
So close.
>> So much worse than last time.
Oh my god, oh, oh.
All right, here we go, for reals.
I'm going to get just a little bit closer this time.
Okay.
>> You got this.
>> BRIAN: Three, two, one.
No, no!
How did I do it and then now I can't do it?
Also that went very deep.
Please don't be broken,
because we only have a few.
It's broken.
>> JASON: Oh no.
>> We're on our last one.
That's one blade down.
It's still two blades.
I just want to hit the dang thing.
>> It's still could've hurt him.
>> BRIAN: It's going to hurt his feelings.
[laughs]
Three, two, one.
Dang it!
>> I mean you hit him.
>> Okay, you know what?
Let's try a bow and arrow.
>> Yeah, I think that's a good call.
>> BRIAN: I hurt his feelings again.
>> Yeah.
>> I evened out, he's got matching scars now.
>> Yeah, now his arms don't, oh wait, what am I on?
[laughs]
>> This is our last one.
Our last razor blade shooting thing.
Okay, at this point, I'm worried, because we only have
one more head, and we've already broken two of those
when they go flying into the ground.
I'm a little bit worried to get too close to that,
but I figure, I mean, what's your comfort level?
>> You don't trust my archery skills?
[laughs]
>> Come on.
>> I trust my feet and my running ability.
[laughs]
Not for nothing, Jason,
but this is a 30 foot shot,
and that target is looking very small.
I mean...
>> I took archery in college.
>> Did you? >> Yeah.
>> Okay, all right.
It was 07:00 AM, so I didn't usually go.
>> BRIAN: Okay.
>> JASON: True story.
>> BRIAN: Oh my god, if you hit this bullseye,
that'll be amazing.
>> JASON: Yeah, it would, wouldn't it?
>> BRIAN: Oh dear.
>> Aw, hell.
>> Go see, go see, hopefully it survived.
>> We're good.
_ I think you could get this.
>> Yeah.
[laughs]
If I miss this one, you're up.
>> Oh no, please hit it.
Oh!
I mean, so far it definitely seems to be effective.
>> Against his face.
>> Just not in the right way.
[laughs]
>> JASON: This works way better than Ragnar's Revenge.
>> Yeah.
Oh my god, he's doing the human block head, look.
[laughs]
And that is a souvenir for you.
Okay.
>> JASON: You're up?
>> Yeah, I guess so. >> Okay.
>> I don't know much, hm, okay.
Whoa!
I didn't expect that.
I did not expect that.
Did it even make a dent?
>> JASON: What?
Because that was a solid hit.
>> JASON: Yeah.
>> BRIAN: Now keep in mind,
I didn't pull it all the way back,
because I'm not good at archery,
but I thought with the pokey it would...
>> JASON: Where did it hit?
>> BRIAN: Right here.
>> JASON: Yeah.
>> BRIAN: You can see it cut through this bit.
>> Too bad you didn't have one on your face, Dave.
>> BRIAN: This did not get anywhere near
close to penetrating.
>> Oh wow.
>> BRIAN: I don't think even at a full draw,
and a dead center hit this would've done it.
>> Yeah, that's surprisingly effective.
>> BRIAN: Do you want to try one more?
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> BRIAN: Keep it balanced.
>> Let's do it again.
>> BRIAN: Take a look at that blade.
>> Blade's still intact.
>> Yeah.
>> All right, you want to?
>> Sure.
>> You want to see if you can avenge yourself?
>> All right, let's do this, Barton.
[laughs]
>> BRIAN: More Barton Fink.
Give it at the high hat.
Oh!
>> JASON: Come on!
>> BRIAN: His feelings look really hurt.
Okay, look, we got what we needed,
which is to know
that primitive weapons
are not very good against advanced tactical body armor,
but I think we got to see it used the way it's supposed to.
>> I think we do.
>> BRIAN: Kyle?
>> Kyle: Yes, sir?
>> BRIAN: Can we trouble you?
>> Shoot this [beeps]!
[laughs]
>> Here, I'll call the cops real quick.
>> That's a great idea.
>> She said, "be safe."
>> JASON: Cool.
[gunshot]
>> Perfect.
>> You want one more?
>> Yeah, right in the chest.
[gunshot]
[laughs]
>> Uh, hot damn, that is definitely destroyed.
Bullet holes,
exit wounds.
>> There are more holes than the one after it fell off.
>> And inside.
>> Is it a bullet?
>> A couple of them actually.
>> Oh, look at the way it's just smashed stopped.
That's crazy.
Still wouldn't trust my life with that.
>> Absolutely not.
>> Maybe against arrows.
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