- But I'm trying to get you drunk, Wil.
- Be as bad as you wanna be. - I want you
to crawl outta here.
(Wil laughs)
- I usually do anyway.
(upbeat music)
- [Announcer] From the basement
of a pretty normal office building in New York City,
it's Shoot Your Shot.
"Thrillist", boozy, trivia game show.
With your host, Wil Fulton.
And Special Guest...
- [Wil] Holt McCallany.
- [Announcer] Cheers!
And remember to tip your bartender.
- Hello everybody.
Welcome to Shoot Your Shot.
I'm Wil Fulton and my guest today is Holt McCallany.
You might know him best as Detective Bill Tench
from the hit Netflix show, "Mindhunter."
Kinda mentally scarring but, we love it.
- Nice to be with you, Wil.
- When is the last time you took a bunch of shots?
- It wasn't that long ago.
- Hours?
Days?
(Holt laughs)
- No, I would say probably last weekend.
- So, I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions.
You get the question right, I take a shot.
You get it wrong, you take a shot.
Now today we have a little something special prepared
for you called the Irish Strangler.
You're lookin' at it a little side-eyed.
- I'm a little bit of a purist when it comes to my alcohol.
What exactly is this concoction?
- This is cereal milk, some Irish whisky and simple syrup.
- Okay, well the only one of those ingredients
that appeals to me is the Irish Whisky,
but if we're gonna do shots I prefer to do tequila shots,
and my favorite tequila is Don Julio 1942.
- So, I don't think we've ever
had anyone request some straight liquor.
We can make that happen, right?
♪ Do do do do do do do do ♪
This is it? - That's a good Tequila.
- Rack 'em up.
Okay, question number one.
Robert Ressler, the real life FBI agent
your "Mindhunter" character is based upon,
is famous for doing what aside
from coining the term serial killer
and everything involved in "Mindhunter?"
A, ghost-writing a series of children's books.
B, arresting Ted Bundy.
C, developing the nations first computer database
of unsolved murders.
Or D, inventing the Big Mouth Billy Bass.
You know that thing on the wall that flaps around?
It sings. - I don't know that,
but I do know the answer to the question.
- You don't know the big mouth?
- The answer to the question ladies and gentleman is C.
- That is correct.
(bell dinging)
- Take a shot, dude!
- Cheers.
(playful music)
- Now is that a smooth tequila?
- That's why I wanted you on here,
I knew you'd shake it up a little bit.
So I have a question.
So obviously, "Mindhunter,"
based on a real life cast of characters
that helped develop the FBI profiler units.
What was the most surprising thing
you learned about the real life FBI agents
that helped inspire "Mindhunter"?
- The thing that shocked me the most
was when I really came to understand the price
that these guys pay emotionally and psychologically,
and sometimes physically because they're obsessed
with these crimes and trying to catch these killers.
- [Wil] Right.
- They're thinking about it all the time,
they take their work home with them,
it affects their family life.
I had a renewed respect for guys who devote their lives
to law enforcement - Yeah.
- and particularly that branch alone.
- Sure.
Serial killer research.
Did you enjoy that a little bit?
- I do.
That's one of the really exciting things about my job.
You get to study things and meet people
that you never would have otherwise had.
I think that that's what audiences respond to,
is they recognize - Yeah.
- that we're really striving for authenticity.
- I'm gonna ask these questions
about serial killers in general.
Jeffery Dahmer.
He allegedly fed some of the people
he killed to his neighbors.
How did he serve his victims?
A, chicken pot pies.
B, in sandwiches, apparently bologna.
C, protein shakes.
D, in Flintstone vitamins, assorted.
- Protein shakes seems an awfully strange
thing to offer to your neighbor.
- He wasn't the most normal guy, though.
- He wasn't
the most normal guy. - Just to preface that, yeah.
- I am going to say, sandwiches.
- Yeah, you're right.
(triumphant music)
You're right, Holt.
- Ladies and gentleman, he plays Bill Tench on "Mindhunter,"
but you are - And--
- the guy that has to drink another shot.
- Hey, your skills of deduction are very good so far.
- I play a detective on TV.
- I play a bartender
on YouTube. - Okay, so come on brother,
you're wasting time.
(playful music)
- I hear that you needed to pack
on some weight to play Bill.
- Oh boy.
- You're usually pretty ripped, right?
- I'm into amateur boxing.
When I was researching this character
and thinking about his life,
he's kind of this like 1970's chain smoking,
hard drinking, middle aged guy.
I just said, you know what?
I'm gonna embrace the fact that
this character would have dad bod.
- If you had to eat human remains in food,
what would you pick?
- I think I would put it in some kind of a nice stew.
I'm Irish, maybe an Irish stew.
Why?
Because then we can kind of mask it with you know,
we'll put some vegetables in, some seasoning,
- Of course.
- And some spices generally. - Definitely.
Potatoes, chop 'em up. - Yeah, right.
Exactly. - Onions.
- Make it a little bit more delicious.
- Doesn't even sound that bad,
but then you have to eat the broth.
I choose quesadillas.
Okay, we're gonna something fun right
here that almost will guarantee
you take at least one shot. - Okay.
- Please!
We call this Quote Hunter.
- [Announcer] Quote Hunter.
- We're gonna read you a real quote.
- Yep. - You're going to tell me
who said it.
Noted serial killer Charles Manson
or noted non serial killer so far, Taylor Swift.
First quote.
"Love is a ruthless game unless
"you play it good and play it right."
- I am gonna say Charles Manson.
- That is a quote by Miss Taylor Swift.
- Oh my God.
He wanted to be a rockstar,
and he wrote a lot of songs about love.
- I know one of 'em .
"What's Your Game Girl," right?
- Yeah.
(playful music)
- Second quote.
"Pain's not bad, it's good.
"It teaches you things.
"I understand that."
- Charles Manson spent most of his adult life in prison.
He went through a lot of very painful experiences.
It's easy to imagine him espousing that particular concept.
- Yeah. - On the other hand...
- Uh oh.
- Look at all those painful break ups that Taylor had.
It really is a coin flip.
I am gonna say, Charles Manson.
- Yeah, that's right.
Mr. Manson. - Get it, buddy!
(playful music)
- All right Holt, you're up.
"Now, I am too beautiful to be set free."
- It's possible to imagine
that he's speaking metaphorically and saying,
"I am too beautiful to be set free," like,
I understand that I am never gonna be released,
so I am gonna answer, Manson.
- It is Manson.
You nailed this one, Holt.
So one of my favorite parts about "Mindhunter"--
- Yeah.
- Are the serial killer portrayals.
They're super realistic.
Do you get creeped out by the actors
that are playing these serial killers?
- Well, I'm gonna wait 'til you do your shot.
There you go.
Good man.
The actor Cameron Britton who played Ed Kemper,
the coed killer, gave such a powerful, chilling performance.
I would say the same - Yeah.
- [Holt] thing about the actor Damon Herriman,
- [Wil] Yeah.
- who plays Charles Manson in season two
and Oliver Cooper who plays David Berkowitz,
The Son of Sam. - Yeah, Berkowitz.
- They're so good, and they're so authentic.
The speech pattern, the intonations, the inflections,
the little expressions that he makes, it can be hypnotizing.
- I wanna talk about one
of your earlier roles, "Fight Club."
- [Holt] "Fight Club."
- You play the mechanic.
Which of the following facts about "Fight Club" is not true?
A, Rosie O'Donnell spoiled the twist on her show.
B, Meat Loaf's fat suit was filled
with bird seed to make it more realistic.
C, The studio originally wanted Reese Witherspoon
to play Marla.
Or D, these are all true somehow.
- I know that A is true.
We were so proud of that movie,
and she came out on her show and she was like,
Don't see "Fight Club." - Yeah.
- It's demented, its depraved.
She went on this long rant. - She's flickin' koosh balls
into the stands
while she's doin' it. - And I remember seeing
that and thinking, do I tell people
not to watch your show, Rosie?
Meat Loaf is a buddy of mine
and I remember that fat suit very well.
Even though I saw him take the suit off and put it on,
what's inside the suit is
a little difficult for me to answer.
The Reese Witherspoon of it all seems unlikely to me.
Courtney Love had been considered
at one time. - Yeah.
- I'm gonna say that they did not push for Reese Witherspoon
to play Helena Bonham Carter's part, but they could've.
- It's D, they're all true.
That's all true. - Yeah.
(playful music)
- Do fans ever call you out for being that "Fight Club" guy,
and do they ever say - Yes.
- the line to you?
You know what line I'm talking about.
- "In death,
- [Wil] Oh.
- "a member of Project Mayhem, has a name.
"His name is Robert Paulson."
- [Wil] Yeah (laughs).
- His name is Robert Paulson.
- Yes, fans do that sometimes.
- [Wil] Yeah.
- In fact I had a 15 year old kid
come up to me at an airport recently and go,
"His name is Robert Paulson!"
(Wil laughs)
Say it one time, bro.
Say it one time.
So I was like, his name is Robert Paulson.
Yeah! - That is excellent.
Let's go back to
some serial killer trivia. - All right.
Back to some serial killers.
- How was the BTK Killer, AKA Dennis Rader,
eventually caught?
A, he was pulled over for a DUI and cops found a gun.
B, he sent the police a floppy disk,
and they traced it back to him.
C, he turned himself in.
Or D, he accidentally outed himself
while starring in an episode of "Family Feud."
- What I love about "Thrillist,"
and what I love about Shoot Your Shot is that my buddy Wil,
is such a good sport because the answer is B.
(bell dings)
- Yeah, he's right. - Wil is about to have
another shot of Don Julio 1942.
- And the funny thing about that is he asked the police,
if I send you a floppy disk, would you be able
to trace it back? - And he said--
- And the cops said, no, we wouldn't.
- Right, right. - And then he sent it.
- And then he was like, you guys said you wouldn't!
- [Wil] Yeah, exactly!
- Come on!
(playful music)
- Let's take it to our brand new interrogation room.
It's still has that new interrogation room smell.
This is The Inebriation Interrogation.
- [Announcer] The Inebriation Interrogation.
- You know of two truth and a lie?
- Two of the statements you're about to make
will be true, - Yeah, yeah.
- and one of them will be false.
In order for me to win,
I have to identify the one false statement of the three.
I'm ready, let's do it.
(Wil laughs)
- Fact number one.
I have been arrested and got my mugshot taken.
- I mean, you're a nice guy,
but there is something kinda shifty about you.
Do you know what I mean?
- I get that a lot Holt. - And I can imagine
that you might've been a juvenile delinquent.
(Wil laughs)
You know?
- Fact number two.
I've had sex in a museum in France.
- It seems to be much more likely that you've been arrested
than you've had sex in a museum in France.
- Fact number three, I am a certified scuba diver.
(Holt speaking in foreign language)
(Wil speaking in foreign language)
(pensive music)
(Wil laughs)
(Holt speaking in foreign language)
(Wil speaking in foreign language)
- Mm hm.
(Wil laughs)
Okay, so he doesn't speak French.
- That doesn't mean I can't fuck in a French museum.
- Wow!
Would you say that you're more interested
in warm water or cold water diving?
- Cold water is where it's at.
- That's interesting.
- Yeah, it's invigorating.
Yes.
- Would you say that it's more or less invigorating
than having sex in a French museum?
- Equal.
- There are very few things
in life that are more rewarding--
- Than friendship?
- Than having sex
in a French museum. - Oh.
So you've done it as well?
- I've attempted it.
You're obviously a little slicker than me.
- I would say so.
- Were you like a class A one offender,
meaning that, was it a homicide, a robbery?
- It wasn't homicide (laughs).
It was underage drinking.
- Which of those experiences was more memorable for you,
getting arrested for underage drinking
or having sex in a museum in France?
- Well I also got arrested for having sex
in the museum in France so. - Oh my God.
- [Wil] It's full circle.
Yeah.
- Wow, dude.
I'm going to bet that my buddy Wil Fulton
has never had sex in a museum in France.
(dramatic music)
- I'm not a scuba diver.
- Wow, I got it wrong!
Congratulations.
- On the question or the sex?
- On the sex, man.
(Wil laughs)
Because I, no, to have sex
in France in a museum is not easy.
- You wanna know
where it was? - Now I know why,
yeah I wanna know, which is the Louvre?
- [Wil] No.
It was the Toulouse-Lautrec museum.
- I am so impressed, dude.
- Now I have to learn how to scuba dive.
(Wil laughs) (Holt laughs)
Seven, serial killer Rodney Alcala was featured
on a legendary game show in the midst of his killing spree.
What game show did he appear on?
A, "The Price is Right."
B, "Wheel of Fortune."
C, "Jeopardy."
Or D, "The Dating Game."
- Every once in a while, when you're a detective,
you have to follow your hunch.
I am gonna say, that the serial killer
was a contestant on "The Dating Game."
(page ripping) (bell dinging)
- Yeah, you're right.
- Have a shot, buddy!
Take a little salt. - Why did you guess that?
- It's just so ironically surreal.
Bachelor number three, what are your interests?
I'm into torture, bondage--
- Geeing.
(Holt laughs)
- Here's the thing though, he won.
The girl picked him.
- Oh, wow!
- But did not go on the date with him.
Once they met she thought he was totally creepy.
- Go figure.
- Number eight, what country produces
the most serial killers, percentage-wise?
A, Ireland.
B, Finland.
C, Spain.
Or D, the USA.
- The United States of America.
- You're right, patriotic man.
- Have a shot, brother!
- You know what percentage?
- I don't know, what?
- 67.
(car crashing)
Season two, how was shooting it different than season one.
Were there higher expectations?
Was it a little bit of a different filming experience?
- When a television show is really good,
when you have a really interesting character,
what's so rewarding about it is you can explore
the character in much greater detail
than you can in any other medium.
There isn't enough room in
a two hour movie or a three hour play.
- And do you think that's why now A list actors
and people like David Fincher
are gravitating towards television?
You can tell a very long story
and that ultimately could be more rewarding.
- That is exactly why.
- I got that right, take a shot.
No, I'm just kidding.
(Holt laughs) (Wil laughs)
We're gonna do a little mini game.
We call this, Who 'Dis? - Okay.
- [Announcer] Who 'Dis?
- Holt's gonna pick a card.
Don't look at it.
There's a name on that card.
Holt's gonna put it on his forehead,
he's gonna ask me 10 questions
and try to figure out who he is.
I have to tell you Holt, you've picked a pretty good one.
- Okay, am I a serial killer?
- I hope not.
I don't think so.
- Am I a real person?
- I would say so.
- Am I a person that we may have seen on "Mindhunter?"
- Yes.
- Am I a criminal?
- I would hope not.
- Am I an actor?
- Yeah.
- Am I Jonathan Groff?
(Wil laughs)
- No. - Am I Holt McCallany?
(Wil laughs) (bell dings)
- Yeah, you are. - I am myself!
And I got it right, do a shot!
- You wanna do one together?
- I'll do one with ya, sure.
- Cheers. - Cheers my brother.
(gun shots booming)
- Got one more question.
How many separate times does Bill smoke
in "Mindhunter" season one?
A, 33 times.
B, 43 times.
C, 53 times.
Or D, 63 times?
(Holt sighs)
- Only because I want to see you do one more shot, Wil!
I'm gonna say D, 63 times!
- It's 53 times (laughs). - Is it really?
- Shout out to YouTuber, Immortalized Characters
for actually doing the math.
- Cheers, buddy.
- Cheers to you.
Do you smoke?
- No.
- Did you actually smoke cigarettes or were they--
- Yes.
- [Wil] God, how was that?
- Brutal.
- Right, 'cause Fincher takes a lot of takes, right?
- Correct.
- So how many cigarettes do you think that you can smoke?
- I smoked over the course of the season
many thousands of cigarettes.
Sometimes I would get nauseous.
I would get dizzy.
Because just smoking so much and you have
to smoke in the same place at the same time.
I would drink Pepto Bismol.
- The things we do for our jobs.
- Cheers, buddy.
This was a real pleasure, Wil.
I tell ya what, Shoot Your Shot was
an even better experience than I thought it would be.
Thank you my friend.
- Thank you.
Thanks for comin'.
We want you to sign our bar.
I know we ended up not drinking the drink
that was prepared for us by Garin Ferri at Reclamation Bar,
but here's how to make it just in case you wanna try it.
- [Announcer] And now buzzed bartending with Wil Fulton.
- Two ounces cereal milk.
Bake cornflakes for 15 minutes,
put in a big bucket of milk and strain it to get rid
of the cornflakes unless you like
your milk chunky, and I'm not judging.
1.5 ounces single malt Irish whiskey of your choosing.
Add .5 ounces of simple syrup.
Mix thoroughly.
(shaker clattering)
Shake vigorously.
But carefully.
Strain.
And you got yourself an Irish Strangler.
Cheers.
We're going out, right?
- Definitely. - We're in New York.
- We're gonna kill that bottle of tequila.
(Wil laughs)
We're finishing that bottle of tequila.
(Wil laughs)
- [Wil] Well, we've known each
other a long time. - Yeah, yeah we go way back.
- [Wil] Yeah we go way back.
We like Holt here
at Shoot Your Shot, - To Wil Fulton.
- This is great.
That was Shoot Your Shot.
I'm Wil Fulton.
- I'm Holt McCallany.
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You like "Thrillist" right?
- I love it.
- Should they subscribe to "Thrillist"?
- They should, and they should watch "Mindhunter"
on Netflix and they should watch Shoot Your Shot.