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[Chad] Collin Chou he has more Kung-Fu style there
[Chad] But Donnie Yen takes more like a Western striking style
[Chad] Alright, this is cool!
[Chad] just checking kicks
[Chad] boom!
[Logan] Oh Damn
[Chad] And that's actually a legit move
And Donnie Yen, caught it.
from here he went into a similar action whereas he went under
dropped to his knees
threw his partner down
that may look flashy
but it's a legit move and you do see it in combat and combat sports
particularly in the combat sport of Sanda (Sanshou)
I've seen variations like this
or where I hold on to the jacket and I get my elbow underneath
but in terms of the footwork the lower body as I enter especially if he's a bit square
and I'd done something to wind him out
I will drop right down to my knees and throw him over
A better answer to that situation is that if he identified the kick there
block like so, with this grip, would be more effective
if this was caught
he can now bring his hips back
and it's a wide opening for me to, step in create a frame, and chop out the foot
and making a collapse happen.
[Chad] Alright, he's in side control
[Logan] Oh, Brutal
[Chad] Throwing the knees
[Chad] now that's an issue
the space between the shoulder and his groin
and that will become an issue where the elbow
can go to the floor
So Donnie Yen established a side control on Collin Chou
From here he uses this to throw knees to his opponent.
This arm, maybe was over at some point actually to deliver the knees.
And this is valid. This works.
I can put pressure with my chest and that's a clear shot.
Here he's swung
sat down and caught the arm
my right shin stays into the armpit
the left foot hooks the head
and goes down here, on my back with the arm, on my center-line
This is how Donnie Yen went into his armbar
I have some criticism here.
First, my opponent is too flat.
There's a good chance that he can pull the elbow down
and actually you see that in his form
so when he goes into the armbar, there's a shot where you maybe can see
the amount of space, that's here.
Even if Donnie Yen got this far
with the way he entered, the elbow can drop to the floor
the armbar is gone
a better answer or a better entry
would be a scenario where I somehow got my opponent
on its side like this
maybe I have a hold of Kimura
Where I'm grabbing his wrist
I'm coming under, grab my wrist here
and the elbow's higher
so now from here
I can bring this leg over and connect tighter.
and now
there's less space
I mentioned this before in my John Wick breakdown
That a general rule for breaking joints
is you want to control the join above it
so if I wanna break the elbow, I want to try and control the shoulder joint.
so how tight I get is very important for my mechanics of breaking and control.
My second criticism of technique is the arm placement.
on the center-line, not the best place.
One, you might hurt your groin.
Two, the breaking power is not as strong.
What is recommended, in this case.
I'm attacking Logan's right arm.
Therefore I'll move the right arm to my right hip.
and I bring his right hand to my right shoulder
my elbows, right elbow will be down. Left elbow up.
I'm controlling the thumb area here.
Especially if he makes a fight somehow.
It doesn't matter. I'm controlling the thumb area there and reinforcing with my second hand.
Thumb, second hand.
and here
is a better breaking mechanic.
[Chad] alright this is a cool jiu-jitsu scene so we start entering now with the jacket
[Chad] so he's blocking
[Chad] and now, okay. Close-guard. That's a legit response in a strike situation.
[Chad] but now he's using his feet properly.
[Chad] Yup
[Chad] and he'll start into a collar sleeve situation now
[Chad] Boom! Sleeve, collar.
[Logan] Nice! [Chad] Now a Triangle.
[Logan] Sweet!
That's an old-school way of doing a triangle. It has changed.
and again, I'll explain that later.
He's trying for the choke
and this is actually a real issue.
I remember Rampage Jackson in Pride MMA doing that.
Damn.
Punches were flying. Legs were up.
Use them to block here. Push the hips to create distance.
and so during the battle, he caught a sleeve grip.
This hand then.
As he pulled, establish a collar grip.
Thus collar and sleeve.
Okay, what do my feet do?
One shoot should be on the bicep.
I want to try and deny that and any grips here (to my body) as possible.
so this stays here.
My left foot is in one our two locations.
either on the hip
or hooking the leg so
and this is referred to as a De La Riva Hook.
Ideally, out of the two, to have this
but as guys get well-trained they don't let you have this so you have to bounce back
between the two based on where the fight goes.
This is what I saw Donnie Yen establish.
From here he went to his Triangle choke.
One looks like this here.
Pull down across and lock.
From here he went into a very classic version of the triangle choke
where he was squared on
and he locked up like so.
You had the head centered to the center-line.
and he started pulling.
Now
there are some problems here 1) you can see a partner's shoulder.
that's gonna affect your squeezing power.
you actually need to angle to cover that shoulder up for maximum choking power.
The film showed an issue with this old-school version of the choke.
2) The ability for my opponent to slam me.
so the triangle choke as evolved.
This right arm should be grabbing either the armpit or the leg.
It is extremely difficult for him to just stand up, pick me up and slam me down to the floor.
[Chad] And this is cool!
[Chad] I had never seen this in a movie.
[Logan] Beautiful! [Chad] Entry to leg locks.
and he went for an inside heel hook
Donnie Yen established a cross ashi
With an inside triangle referred to an inside sankaku
the issue in the scene was when Donnie Yen applied this to Collin Chou made an error in his form.
Where when he tried to break as going flat
he pulled the heel over.
realistically, if done correctly, you want to strain the leg by leaning back and then push the toes downward
You don't want to pull it over, because you're helping your opponent by spinning out
now Collin Chou, he got out by taking this leg and kicking the knee off
and then started just sliding out.
What he should've done was, is if this was done incorrectly, as I explained
he should've spun with it, belly down towards the floor and that would have helped him kick the leg off
and slide his knee out
A good general rule for breaking leg locks.
Is for me, the attacker, I need control of the knee.
the defender can clear his knee in a very safe way
most likely, in a lot of cases, he kills the leg lock.
and it provides a very clean, efficient, safe escape.
[Chad] Alright, we get into the final part of the fight.
[Chad] Boom! Okay? I don't.. I don't...
[Chad] Alright, so now hooks come in. [Logan] Now he has his hooks.
[Chad] Yeah
[Logan] Crossing his feet. Old school. [Chad] Yeah
[Chad] And look, if the guy doesn't know, cross-feet can be valid.
[Chad] and sometimes actually against bigger people, if the guy is super huge
[Chad] Sometimes you have to cross your feet temporary. To hold someone down that size.
[Logan] Gotcha! [Chad] This is not the case here.
So in the fight scene, Donnie Yen got stacked.
And this is where, the final part of the fight was.
And he choked him out and won.
There are some problems here in terms of efficiency.
and especially if my partner is well-trained, what can happen? Okay!
First, the choke itself.
This is no more.
The reason why he can go over, grab, pull very easy.
What we want rather is, one hand, the choking hand,
On my bicep.
The control or support hand on my shoulder.
The availability of him grabbing my hand off, is very very hard.
what he needs is a finger grip
from anywhere from my wrists, down to my fingers.
this area, with a grip, will ruin my choke.
so my form should be like so.
I could be ear to ear covering my my arm
or chin to wrist depending how you want to finish.
We don't want this.
If he's trained, he will know how to cross feet over my ankle and break it.
You can do this under certain conditions
A) The guy doesn't know what he's doing B) maybe he's super big
and you just need a hold him temporarily for the choke.
Right? so you have some scenarios where this is legit.
Okay! How do we wanna use your legs here?
Well
Your three variations for proper control
Number 1
1) Full Body Triangle
If he's too big because I can't do this,
Number 2
2) A half body triangle where I'm hugging his stomach and the other foot is staying on his hip.
If there is a scenario where this top knee comes to the chest here
And I can't cross my feet like I just demonstrated,
3) I cross my feet behind the butt.
From here I can stay here and still do my choke
or I can stretch him open, get my foot in, and reinforce my legs in a better way
which allows me to apply my rear-naked strangle.
my last thing I'll criticize
Is especially the position, as you just saw
I was on the side
I do not want an opponent to stacking me
It is very difficult to choke someone if that happens
and that's what the scene showed, that's not what I recommend in a fight.
Take the fight to one of the sides, to give you proper chocking mechanics.
It had great grappling, I like the Judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the wrestling, and also the striking.
My criticism would be how some of the things were applied.
The armbar, the triangle choke.
I'm sure they chose that form in purpose
to demonstrate Collin Chou, lifting up Donnie Yen and slamming him as I explained already.
and I also think that's good too, to show the real consequences of bad technique.
My grade for Flash Point and this fight scene is a B+
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