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of the reason foundation reasoned uh... common reason magazine senior editor
reason magazine national syndicated columnist
welcome back to the program first of all
i don't get it
walleye age
do you think that our politics are
by people like the coke brothers who
well fund to your institute
pouring
four three hundred millie and i guess is the number the were up to now
into defeating the president has states stu brothers well i think uh... you know
it doesn't have to be people what we can be anybody but it is universal people
like her
drugstore
and peter lewis
and john sperling or you know much more to the left wing macbook brothers are
they're not going to three million dollars in this election
though but they can appoint a debate
they have that right and in fact they've had it for years even the forces
citizens united rich people could spend that much more much of their own money
they wanted on political messages um... uh... and in fact the supreme court he
said
but to try to impose limits on that
but would be a violation of freedom of speech i think that's correct
um... what citizens united have done is that it's made it easier people pool
their resources our young people who aren't billionaires cannot put their
money together abiotic either newly-created groups or long
long-standing groups
advocacy groups like the n_r_a_ or the a_c_l_u_ or greenpeace
or you know groups that support
uh... limits on campaign finance a
and they find it uh... it spending or or contributions uh... all of these groups
no matter what the perspective what their ideology are free to spend money
on political masters even if it historic the election or defeat of a particular
candidate and i think that that that should be
any further say that i have not observe demands honesty to increase with their
riches thomas jefferson eighteen hundreds
uh... the
you know this is
uh... isis
this is something that the jefferson
although but
uh... at some length by the way that the possibility that rich people
might and up swinging
democracy
the fact that they could be rates people on the left ur pic rich people on the
right is absolutely forget irrelevant year arguing for is a form of
aristocracy you're saying
and i am i am i am astounded to hear somebody who blue
pertinent to proportion to speak
to be uh... an objective is to libertarian raining wrote remotely like
that
saying that we should watch lee now i guess this is perfectly consistent
libertarian philosophy
that that the rich should run everything in a few not rich screw you
about but the way it works is not just repeat that's absolutely the way out of
this act and pat buchanan uh... having
to prevent a call to perpetuate or or what you glycol outside groups or other
i think that group citizens for a long time involving the political process
if they didn't get people don't have uh... that much money
but they can pull the resources and for example
they can advocate the defeat people who support the patriot act
they can all of us here four people can get together and try and take on the
thirty million dollars discount walker has raised on a state he realized that
you don't even with all the even with the labor unions that you guys vilified
so aggressively
you know that they're that total amount of money that you know correct recalled
walker arts please let me finish a sentence jacob half the total amount of
money that the recall walker people have raises four million dollars walker has
gone out of state billionaires from the coke brothers doyle billionaires down in
texas to wall street people on in new york city and raise over thirty
million dollars more than any governor has ever raised in the history of this
country for for any kind of a recall election and and your some hot here say
that that is ok
ramping up today to keep a low output from any side are free to do it quickly
in spend money
look at the make that unions are just as free as as businesses or to spend money
shouldn't stay united
let me give you that if they should not be where where uh... this help advance a
progressive issue okay
there is a a primary impact as just last week
whereas a relative newcomer who had been out uh... city councilman
el paso uh... named uh... they paid over or
defeated before almost an incumbent
and one of the interesting thing about them is that the income that uh... so
that's a vast array as
is a really unka unreconstructed uh... drugs warrior look at the bottom
hard-line is bronx sometime out of he was corrupted everybody knew it at
and that's why he lost has written a book favoring drug legalization and has
condemned that was not the issue
uh... raises was corrupt
that was one of the issues but they also talked about drug policy in a campaign
you know that what you're doing here here here trying to take as a single
example in general you know let me tell you about one guy who took our second
survived i guess we should go back to put our sticking our water
well at the same group that that helped of working his campaign uh... the
campaign for primary accountabilities
is going around the country and they are carting let long-standing incumbents
who've gone complacent possibly corrupt publicly lazy not really representing
their constituents and when they're targeting regardless of party the
targeting republicans and they're targeting democrat see this is a good
thing
it shakes things on the status is not a good sent there is not a good thing to
have the people that have been is not a good thing to have the people with the
most money
have the greatest stick in our democracy the fact of the matter is the retail
politics
is largely a thing of the past most most political races are one based on
television advertising on television advertising is a function pure and
simple
and an orange an i'm just astounded at that
that india that anybody
would say that
it's a good thing for for money
to be the thing that decides politics and i'm horrified jacob this is not this
is not just on american this is an anti-american
you still have to persuade people because we're still talking about speech
you get
it out driving people money is not speeches persuaded with your argument
it is true that you need a stream of nobody could hear your argument he
doesn't have a money is not a guarantee of winning look at uh... carly area in
and that i california and watson and the uh...
the redwood woman and i think america at the post of chairman of the money
and a lot but i will work
so clearly it's not just about to spend the money people have the receptive to
your message in ninety-eight percent of political races in the united states the
person spends the most money
wins
well being pumped up tremendous advantages uh... head over ninety
percent
zero nine six percent housing homeworks and exam our system on money outside
group helps to think that it has i think that's a good
thing it checked out the races in nineteen eighty one he might be that
somebody like ray is going to try out in ninety-eight percent of races the person
with the most money wins you tell me that's not a corrupt system
but by corrupt system because it because the money that they collected your
portion of the support
i mean you're confusing correlation causation just because they don't want
on the and when does it mean finalists arraignment thing that made him one
i am asserting causation
and i i i am product
merely a return to the correlation you're going to go there
dua spend more money ah... art and the wind and it must be because i spend more
money that may be a spending more money
because they're tracking more support
uh... eleven derailed more money
you know anything
allowing outside groups in the papers to participate in this process influence
extend your quickly self-rule bus to these things jacob a we've got hit with
a limited you know i'm not filibustering you if you wouldn't filibuster me i'd
appreciate it
the the into the fact of the matter is the love that you know that sounds nice
imperfect world
and sounds nice where everybody has access to money but if you've got up
the majority of americans
living i mean the median the mean income in the united states the the median
income unisys is twenty six thousand five hundred dollars
people who are earn in that amount of money which is more than half of all
americans
do not have the money to participate in politics to swing elections
and and for you to say that that that billionaires the people of funding a
right wing think tanks and objective is to libertarian think tank cells are the
kind announces
that that that or for that matter jpr george soros is funding the san firm
progress or whatever it is he's funding these days
uh... you know funny left with things
it that that bat
that they should be able to
swing elections
smacks to me of of e old-fashioned british
for starters
i don't think they should be able to swing elections i'm saying they should
be able to make their case just like anybody else again
it's always been a problem that some people had access to to a bigger
audience and other people look at newspapers look at the t_v_ networks
with the people with the popular website
obviously they'd be reach a lot more people than others about unfair sweet
radhika life that they know you can reach too many people you at the shop
now that you've talked so much
and i felt that think that about me but the nods and i a it's not like it's not
what i'm suggesting that i do think that we should be and television advertising
for politics assembly we've been interpretive ako much people make their
case is likely to back
in on the nixon the benefits
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