>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
I’M MEGYN KELLY.
IT IS ANOTHER BUSY MORNING.
A LOT OF STORIES MAKING NEWS.
JOINING ME TO DISCUSS WHAT’S
MAKING ROUNDS TODAY NBC CRAIG
MELVIN AND JENNA BUSH HAGER.
ALSO THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF
"GLAMOUR" MAGAZINE SAMANTHA
BERRY.
BERRY. GOOD TO HAVE YOU GUYS.
WE BEGIN TODAY WITH THE
CONTROVERSY IN WASHINGTON OVER
ALL THINGS, PAYING TRIBUTE TO A
BELOVED SENATOR AND WAR HERO.
OVERNIGHT PRESIDENT TRUMP
FINALLY PUBLICLY COMMENTED ON
SENATOR JOHN McCAIN TWO DAYS
AFTER THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA
DIED ON SATURDAY.
THE WHITE HOUSE ALSO RELOWERED
FLAGS TO HALF-STAFF AT THE WHITE
HOUSE AFTER RAISING THEM
PREMATURELY AFTER PRESSURE TO DO
THAT.
THAT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE
SLAMMING WHAT THEY VIEWED AS THE
WHITE HOUSE’S DISRESPECT FOR AN
AMERICAN VETERAN AND PATRIOT.
NBC’S PETER ALEXANDER HAS THE
LATEST.
LATEST. >> OVERNIGHT PRESIDENT TRUMP
BREAKING HIS SILENCE SPEAKING
ABOUT SENATOR JOHN McCAIN FOR
THE FIRST TIME SINCE HIS DEATH.
>> OUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS ARE
GOING TO THE FAMILY OF SENATOR
JOHN McCAIN.
JOHN McCAIN. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE
EVERYTHING HE’S DONE FOR THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> HOURS AFTER THE PRESIDENT
REFUSED TO SAY A WORD ABOUT JOHN
McCAIN, IGNORING TEN QUESTIONS
FROM A REPORTER.
>> MR. PRESIDENT, ANY THOUGHTS
ON SENATOR McCAIN.
>> STILL THE WHITE HOUSE’S
ACTIONS SPEAK VOLUMES.
RAISING ITS FLAG WHILE OTHERS
ACROSS THE CAPITAL REMAINED
HALF-STAFF, LATER REVERSING
COURSE AFTER VETERANS GROUPS
URGED THE PRESIDENT TO
RECONSIDER.
RECONSIDER. THE PRESIDENT TAKING HEAT FROM
HIS OWN PARTY.
JOHNNY ISAKSON SENDING A HARSH
MESSAGE TO THOSE NOT WILLING TO
HONOR McCAIN.
HONOR McCAIN. >> ANYBODY WHO IN ANY WAY
TARNISHES THE REPUTATION OF JOHN
McCAIN DESERVES A WHIPPING.
I WOULD SAY TO THE PRESIDENT OR
ANYBODY IN THE WORLD, IT’S TIME
TO PAUSE AND SAY THIS WAS A
GREAT MAN.
GREAT MAN. >> MR. TRUMP IN A STATEMENT
NOTING HIS DIFFERENCES ON POLICY
AND POLITICS WITH McCAIN BUT
ACKNOWLEDGING HE RESPECTS HIS
SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY.
>> WHAT GREATER CAUSE --
>> McCAIN, NEVER ONE TO BACK
DOWN FROM THE FIGHT, GETTING A
LAST WORD IN ON THE PRESIDENT
WITHOUT MENTIONING HIM BY NAME
IN A FAIRWELL STATEMENT READ BY
A TRUSTED AIDE.
>> WE WEAKEN OUR GREATNESS WHEN
WE CONFUSE OUR PATRIOTISM WITH
TRIBAL RIVALRIES.
TRIBAL RIVALRIES. WE WEAKEN IT WHEN WE HIDE BEHIND
WALLS RATHER THAN TEAR THEM
DOWN.
DOWN. >> THE FORMER P.O.W. AND
SIX-TERM SENATOR REFLECTING ON A
LIFE WELL LIVED.
>> I WOULD NOT TRADE A DAY OF MY
LIFE, IN GOOD OR BAD TIMES, FOR
THE BEST DAY OF ANYBODY ELSE’S.
>> HIS WIFE, CINDY McCAIN
TWEETING TEARS ALONGSIDE A PHOTO
OF HER HUSBAND’S DEATH IN THE
SENATE DRAPED IN BLACK WITH A
VASE OF WHY IS ROSES ON TOP.
HIS COLLEAGUES WITH A CHORUS OF
PRAISE.
PRAISE. >> WE’RE FORTUNATE TO KNOW HIM
BEST IN ARIZONA, BUT HE WAS
BIGGER THAN ANY ONE STATE.
>> HE WAS A BRAVE AND HONEST
MAN.
MAN. HE WAS A PATRIOT.
>> I WILL MISS ONE OF THE VERY
FINEST GENTLEMAN WITH WHOM I’VE
HAD THE HONOR TO SERVE.
>> WOW, WHAT A PIECE BY PETER.
YOU KNOW, IT’S KIND OF
REMARKABLE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT
SO RESISTANT.
SO RESISTANT. I REALIZE THEY DIDN’T LIKE EACH
OTHER.
OTHER. THAT’S OBVIOUS.
THAT’S OBVIOUS. BUT HE IS NOT THE FIRST
LAWMAKERS OR AMERICAN PATRIOT TO
DIE WHO DID NOT HAVE A GREAT
RELATIONSHIP WITH A SITTING
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. TYPICALLY IN OUR COUNTRY’S
HISTORY WE PUT PARTISAN POLITICS
ASIDE AND PERSONAL FEELINGS
ASIDE OUT OF RESPECT TO THE
NATION.
NATION. THAT GUY SPENT 5 1/2 YEARS IN A
P.O.W. CAMP AND DID NOT BREAK
AND STOOD BY HIS COUNTRY MEN.
SO ONE OF THE MANY PROBLEMS
ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS HE
MAKES EVERY MOMENT ABOUT HIS OWN
PERSONAL PETTINESS AS OPPOSED TO
ABOUT SOMETHING.
ABOUT SOMETHING. I THINK IT’S REALLY INTERESTING,
JENNA, BEFORE JOHN McCAIN DIED
HE WANTED TWO PEOPLE TO SPEAK AT
HIS FUNERAL, PRESIDENT OBAMA AND
YOUR DAD.
YOUR DAD. THEY HAD THEIR DIFFERENCES, TOO.
YOUR DAD BEAT HIM OUT FOR THE
NOMINATION AND WON.
>> BUT THEN THEY BECAME DEAR
FRIENDS.
FRIENDS. THEN THEY BECAME DEAR FRIENDS.
I THINK THERE’S A HISTORY IN OUR
COUNTRY, LONG BEFORE WHAT WE’RE
LIVING IN NOW, WHERE POLITICS IS
PUT ASIDE FOR FRIENDSHIP.
JOHN McCAIN WAS A GOOD FRIEND.
HE WAS A REALLY GOOD PERSON.
HE WILL BE MISSED.
I THINK HIS WORDS, HIS
STATEMENT, I WANTED TO SHOUT IT
OUT TO MY LITTLE CHILDREN WHO
DON’T KNOW HOW TO READ.
BECAUSE THE STATEMENT SPEAKS THE
BEST OF OUR COUNTRY AND WHERE I
BELIEVE WE’LL GO BACK.
HOW APPROPRIATE THAT THE
MAVERICK HAD THE LAST WORD.
>> YOU SAW ME.
I HAVE BEEN FEELING -- AS WE
MOURN THE PASSING OF JOHN
McCAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE’RE
MOURNING MORE THAN THAT.
I FEEL LIKE IT SYMBOLIZES MORE
THAN THE DEATH OF JOHN McCAIN.
>> THE DEATH OF AN ERA.
>> NOT JUST THAT, CRAIG BUT
REPUBLICANS MOURNING THE LOSS OF
A PARTY THAT USED TO BE MORE
ABOUT KINDNESS, YOU KNOW.
ONCE TRUMP HAS TAKEN IT OVER,
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PUT
IN OFFICE BUT ALL ABOUT
BRASHNESS AND FIGHTING AND IN
YOUR FACE AND A LOT OF CRASS
BEHAVIOR.
BEHAVIOR. SENATOR McCAIN, WHILE HE WAS
FINE WITH A FIGHT, YOU KNOW,
REPRESENTED AN ERA IN WHICH
THINGS COULD BE A LITTLE MORE
BIPARTISAN, REACH ACROSS THE
AISLE.
AISLE. IT SEEMS LIKE HAS THAT DIED WITH
HIM.
HIM. >> WE HAD LINDSEY GRAHAM ON THE
"TODAY" SHOW ON, TOP OF THE
HOUR.
HOUR. LONG TIME FRIEND OF SENATOR
McCAIN, THEY TRAVELED TOGETHER
FREQUENTLY.
FREQUENTLY. THEY WERE BFFs.
SENATOR GRAHAM ALL BUT
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE
PRESIDENT’S BEHAVIOR OVER THE
PAST FEW DAYS WAS SMALL.
HE ALL BUT ACKNOWLEDGED IT BUT
WANTED TO MOVE ON.
ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND
INTERESTING, CLEARLY SOMEONE GOT
TO THE PRESIDENT.
>> IT WAS THE VETERANS.
THE VETERANS SHAMED HIM INTO
RELOWERING THAT FLAG.
>> AMERICAN LEGION HAD SOMETHING
TO DO WITH IT.
THE WALL STREET REPORTING, SARAH
SANDERS LONGTIME FRIEND OF JOHN
McCAIN, ACCORDING TO THE JOURNAL
ALSO GOT TO HIM.
IT HAS BEEN SAD OVER THE PAST
FEW DAYS, BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY
FEW LEGITIMATE HEROES LEFT IN
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
HERE IS A GUY, REGARDLESS OF
YOUR POLITICS, HERE IS ONE GUY
WHO EMBODIED EVERYTHING THAT THE
COUNTRY SHOULD BE ABOUT.
YOU MENTIONED 5 1/2 YEARS HE
SPENT IN CAPTIVITY.
WHAT A LOT OF FOLKS DON’T
REALIZE IS JOHN McCAIN’S FATHER
WAS A REAR ADMIRAL, IN COMMAND
OF THE PACIFIC FORCES.
HE WAS OFFERED EARLY RELEASE AND
JOHN McCAIN SAID, NO.
NO THANK YOU, I’LL STAY.
>> I’M NOT LEAVING UNTIL WE ALL
LEAVE.
LEAVE. >> YES.
>> YES. YES.
YES. IF WE CAN’T CELEBRATE GUYS LIKE
JOHN McCAIN IN AMERICA
COLLECTIVELY, IF WE CAN’T
CELEBRATE JOHN McCAIN, IT SPEAKS
VOLUMES ABOUT WHERE WE ARE.
>> I DO THINK, AND I THINK WE
SHOULDN’T -- I THINK PART OF
WHAT’S HAPPENING IS WE’RE
GETTING LOST IN THIS MOMENT.
PEOPLE ARE CELEBRATING ALL
ACROSS OUR COUNTRY.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT’S THE EVERY
DAY PEOPLE’S VOICES HAR BEING
HEARD.
HEARD. SO LET’S NOT GET -- BECAUSE ONE
PERSON MAY NOT BE CELEBRATING
LOUDLY.
LOUDLY. >> IT’S THE PRESIDENT.
THAT’S WHY.
THAT’S WHY. YOU SEE HIM SITTING THERE
LIKE --
LIKE -- >> I AGREE.
>> I KNOW HIS DEFENDERS SAY HE’S
AUTHENTIC.
AUTHENTIC. THAT’S HIS AUTHENTICITY.
HE DIDN’T LIKE JOHN McCAIN.
HE DOESN’T WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
THAT ISN’T TRUE FOR HIM.
THE THING IS HISTORY HAS SHOWN
US, I’M SURE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO
REVEAL HERE, THAT YOUR DAD
DISLIKED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN
AND AROUND WASHINGTON.
>> DISLIKE, THAT’S A STRONG
WORD.
WORD. >> TYPICALLY OUR PRESIDENTS HAVE
LOOKED TO PROVIDE HEALING
MILLIMETERS IN THE WAKE OF BIG
LOSSES AND NATIONAL TRAGEDIES.
MAN, WE’VE GONE A DIFFERENT WAY
AS THIS BEAUTIFUL LINE GETS
OFFERED TO US POSTHUMOUSLY BY
JOHN McCAIN’S SPOKESPERSON.
DO NOT DESPAIR OUR PRESENT
DIFFICULTIES BUT BELIEVE ALWAYS
IN THE PROMISE AND GREATNESS OF
AMERICA.
AMERICA. >> BEAUTIFUL.
>> BEAUTIFUL. >> IT’S INTERESTING.
JOHN McCAIN WASN’T EVEN -- NOT
JUST HERE IN AMERICA WAS HE
REVERED.
REVERED. HE IS, FOR ME, WHO IS NEW TO
THIS COUNTRY, HE’S ONE OF THE
ONLY SENATORS I KNEW BEFORE I
CAME HERE.
CAME HERE. I SPENT TIME IN VIETNAM, I WENT
TO THE HANOI HILTON.
YOU HAVE THE GUARDS THAT WERE
HIS GUARDS AT HANOI HILTON
COMING OUT AND TALKING IN SUCH A
GOOD WAY ABOUT HIM.
>> THEY ARE PRAISING HIM.
>> THE GUARDS WHO WATCHED HIM IN
THE PRISON HAVE SAID NICER
THINGS ABOUT HIM THAN THE
PRESIDENT HAS.
PRESIDENT HAS. >> IT’S INTERESTING VIETNAM WAS
SUCH A BIG PART OF HIS STORY.
HE WENT BACK THERE 20 TIMES
LATER IN LIFE.
WHILE HE NEVER FORGAVE THOSE
GUYS, HE SAID AS LATE AS 2000,
HE WOULD NEVER FORGIVE THOSE
GUARDS, HE CARED ABOUT THE
RELATIONS AND PUSHED THAT AS A
SENATOR.
SENATOR. HE WAS A SENATOR KNOWN ON A
GLOBAL SCALE NOT JUST HERE IN
THE U.S.
THE U.S. >> LET ME SHIFT GEARS.
ALSO IN THE NEWS IS A STORY
WE’VE BEEN COVERING, #METOO
MOVEMENT, LOUIS C.K., COMEDIAN,
POPULAR COMEDIAN BROUGHT DOWN BY
#METOO MOVEMENT AND FIVE WOMEN
WHO CAME FORWARD TO DESCRIBE
INAPPROPRIATE.
INAPPROPRIATE. THREE CLAIMED PLEASURED HIMSELF
IN FRONT OF THEM.
WHILE SHE WAS ON THE PHONE --
ANYWAY, FIVE WOMEN WITH GRAPHIC
DETAILS.
DETAILS. HE ADMITTED IT, DID NOT DENY IT.
LOST A MOVIE.
FX ENDED PRODUCTION DEAL WITH
HIM, RELEASE OF HIS FILM AND SO
ON.
ON. HE RECESS EMERGED AT THE COMEDY
CELLAR, DID ONE BIT.
HAD ONE PERSON CALL TO COMPLAIN
ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. IT RAISED A QUESTION IMPORTANT
#METOO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN
TAKEN DOWN BY IT.
>> I THINK IT DEPENDS WHO YOU
ARE.
ARE. IT WOULD SEEM.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE
ACCUSED OF.
ACCUSED OF. BUT I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS A
MOVEMENT WE ARE STILL CLEARLY IN
THE EARLY STAGES OF, SO I THINK
AS A SOCIETY WE’RE PROBABLY
GOING TO SORT OF FEEL OUR WAY
THROUGH THIS.
THROUGH THIS. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT’S GOING TO
BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHO
GETS A PASS AND WHO DOESN’T GET
A PASS.
A PASS. IT WOULD SEEM AS IF LOUIS C.K.
IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO TEST
THE BOUNDARIES.
THE BOUNDARIES. I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF LOUIS
C.K. GETS A PASS.
>> I THINK OUR COUNTRY LOVES
REDEMPTION.
REDEMPTION. THERE SHOULD BE.
PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES BUT LIKE
CRAIG SAYS THERE’S AS SPECTRUM
OF MISTAKES MADE.
>> I ALSO THINK LOUIS C.K., ONE
OF THE THINGS HE DID THAT OTHERS
DIDN’T DO AND WE’RE ABOUT TO HIT
THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF
#METOO, RIGHT, ONE THING LOUIS
C.K. DID DO, CAME OUT WITH A
STATEMENT THAT DID NOT DISPARAGE
THE PEOPLE THAT ACCUSED HIM.
HE KNOWLEDGED WHAT HE HAD DONE
STRAIGHT UP FRONT AND ALSO SAID,
THIS IS ABOUT POWER.
I ASKED THESE WOMEN TO SHOW THEM
MY PRIVATE PARTS BEFORE HAND BUT
I DIDN’T REALIZE UNTIL IT WAS
SHOWN TO ME THAT THE POWER IN
THE SITUATION IS WHAT MADE IT
WRONG.
WRONG. SO HE DID SOMETHING THAT A LOT
OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
ACCUSED OF #METOO HAVEN’T DONE,
WHETHER THEY EITHER TRY TO
DISPARAGE THE ACCUSERS.
>> DENY, DENY, DENY, DENY.
OR GIVE SOME BLANKET LIKE, I
MADE MISTAKES BUT I DENY IT.
YOU WANT FORGIVENESS, COME ASK
FOR IT LEGIT, OWN UP TO YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY, MAKE A PUBLIC
APOLOGY TO THE WOMEN YOU’VE
HURT.
HURT. IN SOME CASES TOO MUCH DAMAGE
HAS BEEN CAUSED, TOO MANY
WOMEN’S CAREERS HAVE BEEN
RUINED.
RUINED. FOR ME PERSONALLY TO SEE THE
REEMERGENCE.
REEMERGENCE. YOU RUIN SOMEBODY’S CAREER
BECAUSE SHE WON’T SIT ON YOUR
LAP, I DON’T NEED TO SEE YOU IN
NEWS CIRCLES AGAIN.
THAT’S MY OWN PERSONAL VIEW OF
IT.
IT. YOU CAN’T HAVE FORGIVENESS UNTIL
YOU MOVE OPT A POSITION YOU’RE
NOT OVERSEEING YOUNG WOMEN OR
GENDERS CAN BE REVERSED.
I WOULD WANT TO SEE A REAL SEA