the US has spent the last two days making its case for
action against Syria and in particular I'm referring to John Kerry's major
speech this morning where he laid out the evidence that we've collected
that Syria used chemical weapons as we've got a couple different clips from
Kari
first that evidence let's watch our intelligence community
has carefully reviewed Henry Review
information regarding this attack and I will tell you it has done so more than
mindful
up the Iraq experience we will not
repeat that moment we know that the Assad regime
has the largest chemical weapon weapons program
in the entire Middle East we know
that the regime is use those weapons multiple times this year
and as use them on a smaller scale
but still it is used them against its own people
including not very far from where
last wednesday's attack happened we know that the regime was specifically
determined to rid the Damascus suburbs of the opposition
that it was frustrated that hadn't succeeded in doing so
we know that for three days before the attack
the Syrian regime's chemical weapons personnel
were on the ground in the area making preparations
and we know that the Syrian regime elements
were told to prepare for the attack by putting on gas masks
and taking precautions associated with chemical weapons
we know that these were specific instructions
we know where the rockets were launched from
and at what time we know where they landed
and when we know Rockets came off only for machine controlled areas
and went only to
opposition-controlled or contested neighborhoods and we know
as does the world that just 90 minutes later all hell broke loose in the social
media
so apparently there are a lot of things that we know at this point now
a solar panel might disagree with some of the intelligence that was presented
their
I mean he lays out very specifically that we know they were coming from
a regime held areas that that we got intercept into intercepted
communications
implying that the new about about before and afterward which seems like pretty
strong evidence
a lot of people are saying that this could very well be carries up colin
powell UN moment
is that how you guys saw this I guess it depends on if you trust the United
States government to tell you the truth
get to you I do not in I have to say I i do not you know we have to
we've already lost our credibility from the Iraq war in the run-up to the Iraq
war so now
there's going to have to be a much higher standard evidence presented an
actual
evidence presented not an assessment evidence which is what we got today
the sad part is actually the lack of credibility that we have because the way
he said we know it's not just the amount of times that he said we know which was
probably probably heard they're literally twenty times
so sad that he kept saying we know but we know like
I we know quite what he's really saying is we know you all think were liars
so I'm gonna keep repeating this phrase so that you stop thinking requires
I don't know that he convinced anyone have anything during that speech act
right he was not specific enough I loved as you pointed that out
I mean it was an assessment evidence that they allegedly have
but you don't you do not delve into the details about evidence so
where exactly where the were the with he said missiles right
where it would likely were the rockets coming from like I wanna know specifics
I don't want you to say
we know exactly where the Rockets came from okay that doesn't really stand me
anything end it was just it reminiscent
love you know the speeches that Bush gave before we invaded Iraq in
really really was he was sure without you know a shadow of a doubt
that %uh Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and of course at this
point we know
he did not have weapons of mass destruction invaded by country priya rai
made that contribute preemptively and that was a complete and utter disaster
now the efforts that the united states wants to
I take part in as a response to this you know i i the punitive response
to the suppose it could make a weapons wouldn't even really be that helpful to
begin with as we talked about on the show before
I mean at this point we've given them more than fair warning
they've already evacuated at the areas where the United States is likely to
strike
and at the same time I mean we've had a history of doing these half measures
we did to have measures in 1998 one against Osama bin Laden one against
saddam hussein and guess what those half measures did not work
so I understand that there needs to be some sort of response because they're
worried that hey this is gonna send the wrong message to other countries
but I i just I don't want to get involved in this the American people
don't want to get involved in this
only nine percent of Americans believe that this is the right thing to do yet
yeah I mean look on I'll play devil's advocate
for just for a short period of course I would have loved if he'd said okay
here's the satellite photo that shows the Rockets going off
from the Assad controlled areas although the
colin powell at the UN here lotsa satellite imagery as well that wasn't
all that convincing
but before this prior to this I this is actually a revelation of some sort I
didn't know that they had this information
I did not know that they have information we just knew that chemical
weapons
had been used it was very clear who would use them now you can make
the decision and I I'm very sympathetic to the decision to say you don't believe
that evidence
but they are saying that they haven't really said that is news to me at least
so we don't know that they have it
like what they're saying hey we like me saying like I have evidence that to an
alien was found in China
rental okay so where is a freakin evidence nothing to say you had it's
another thing to actually show the evidence or two
so you are real photos and satellite
I'm you are going to get involved in a conflict in another country yes at this
point I would like more evidence I would like detailed evidence not just an
indication that
evidence might exist the Act does it seem to have guys like this is purely
Obama trying to save face this is purely this red line thing that he feel he said
something a year ago
that now what about and and it's like if he doesn't do it
that the credibility not only above the president but I love the United States I
think this is really about to read because he saying
looking in your cereal runs through the red line then we
are gonna let Iran run through the red light so it's his way of saying we're
going to stop Iran idea that I really
it is that idea that you know with if he's just presenting this as a way to
say yes I said this and so now I have to follow through on it because I I said so
and now we have to have our credibility is arts as its taking our resolve is at
stake but we also have the issue I love
these are chemical weapons yeah you know this is a long-standing international
norm chemical weapons are
our day and this is the question I think in the debate that we need to be having
as
are chemical weapons morley different yet from conventional warfare
yet would you be doing in our desire not what we do yet so it
on the issue with him saving face I don't feel the same way the most I've
read many articles that but people who know a lot more about foreign affairs I
do who
agree exactly with you but I think that at this point if only nine percent to
the country wants us to proceed if even Britain which runs about soon
is backing out parliament voting not to proceed in many other countries around
the world saying don't proceed
than the face-saving measure I think would be to not proceed
exactly no I but then but then how was it saving face by proceeding
its is showing that he says something and that means that and that's what the
United States okay
exactly but as to that us saying we are gonna draw a red line
and if they step over it us doing something in response
that might well be sort of saving face but I don't think that has to be about
Brock Obama's
ego if you thinking about a run that may very well be a good point
that's what I think I do we want it will then then do you agree with that do you
think that we need to react
to ward off some future action hero in the last three days having gone bonkers
on Twitter I'm completely against this a 100 percent but I do think
there's some legitimacy to the argument at least
that we have to do something here because over I'm because if Syria does
this with completing impunity look for supporting Obama budget the building
that we've given the warnings for for days
that overdoing want Obama to both bond Detroit and it'll make the property
value better i mean
were but that's what we're doing but really this is about Iran and if
if they see that we don't do anything it just strikes me as very obvious ACS not
doing anything
then what's to stop them from any red line that we issue them I wish I wish
Obama never mentioned
anything about around yeah I think that was a mistake number one but also
I just find it so hypocritical for the US government to
want to get involved in a humanitarian issue like let's say a worst-case
scenario
Bashar al-assad did use chemical weapons and there is actual legitimate prove
that right
I just find so strange the United States wants to get involved in that as a
humanitarian effort
with the same time we're doing like signature strikes and we're doing double
taps in other countries
we were killing innocent civilians in other countries I mean
schizophrenic we're like the number-one terrorists
we're going into other countries preemptively by the way and were causing
all this
you know destruction because you wanna make private contractors tremendously
wealthy
a and also for us to say we want to get involved because we're genuinely
concerned about this
you know this issue I just feel like it so hypocritical
at least in regards to John Kerry's look I think if we intervene it should be to
protect civilians but at least in terms of John Kerry speech
he did not stress the humanitarian aspect he said very clearly that if we
don't act
other states might employees chemical weapons that we've set up this line
they were saying countries cannot cross if we allow them to then God knows which
dictator or which say in the future we'll cross that
so what you cry I think good I think they're backing of the humanitarian
messager
like me like back to back to back out which may be that would like for the one
specified in hypocritical actually cause a hundred thousand people
died before chemical weapons were used so
a yes if you cough before you die I am not diminishing
what chemical weapons me know what they do to you but some have a thousand
people dying that weighs
far worse then I would guess that the hundred thousand people were dead their
families would argue
that it's not that much worse I kinda thought actually couple layers to the
make this argument in is done the same the devil's advocate mark
because I mean we see there is not the definitive laid out their proof
what in this is maybe a product to the fact that our
government has lied to us this long and it's a it's gotten us into
these kinda situations in and we don't trust them as does it said beginning
not trust them so now if there is something that we need to do in any
country for whatever humanitarian or
American political reasons how do you now prove it
and are you looking for a definitive proof given
out there outlined something this important how do they give that to the
american people
that the guy animal to see who doesn't really know what the hell's going on
I mean to be set off fires Dusen mailers to give every asset very information
now and again is the product of our own actually you know corrupt government
that does so many messed up things in the world we don't trust them
how does that even begin to come back in and when there's something like this
that's truly happening somebody's kill most kids
somebody's dropping chemical weapons on people
what we do we do not care its its it's such a hard situation
and its is hard as this to say: we should go we should go n it's just hard
to say
whatever we're progresses don't do anything and I totally understand I want
anyone to misinterpret what I'm saying I'm not saying that it's okay to use
chemical weapons I'm in favor of a trial side using chemical weapons that's not
what I'm trying to say it all
but in terms I love you know someone that terrible things that happen to
people
in you know other countries and what we gonna do is the United States gonna go
in
every country where there there needs to be some sort of humanitarian efforts
and use our resources and our timing and just basically meddling other countries
issues
I have a problem with that because every time we do it leads to more
issue we're not going in because the humanitarian issues were going
specifically because calcutta
sorry I totally get that right so chemical weapons reuse
look at like I said there needs to be more evidence and and batteries
and back to work JR said like how do how does the US government share that
evidence with us
looks to a random guy in tennessee that doesn't know what's going on is gonna
care about the evidence
you know who does care about the evidence the press does especially the
independent press
so how about a little more transparency with the government
share that information to share that Evans with the press that way we can
actually understand why the US government wants to get involved in this
and why they want to intervene
our only hope at this point I think to see that evidence is if that's one of
the things that were snowden took when he left american
yeah