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>> Tucker: HARVARD IS
AMERICA'S OLDEST, RICHEST AND
MOST PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY.
SUPER IMPRESSIVE PEOPLE GO
THERE.
IT'S NOT A POWER TO BE TAKEN
LIGHTLY.
A SMALL GROUP OF ACTIVISTS IS
DETERMINED TO GO HEAD-TO-HEAD
WITH THEM.
WE SAT DOWN RECENTLY WITH EDWARD
BLOOM, THE PRESIDENT OF STUDENTS
FOR FAIR ADMISSIONS.
THEY ARE SUING HARVARD FOR
ANTI-ASIAN DISCRIMINATION, WATCH
ANTI-ASIAN DISCRIMINATION, WATC
WATCH.
>> THANKS FOR COMING ON.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> Tucker: HARVARD
INTENTIONALLY CONTROLS THE
THAT SEEMS LIKE THE CLEAREST --
IF TRUE, THE CLEAREST POSSIBLE
TREATMENT, EXAMPLE OF RACIAL
DETERMINATION YOU CAN IMAGINE.
>> ITS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AT
A QUOTA.
THE QUOTA TODAY IS AGAINST
ASIANS, MUCH LIKE THE QUOTA BACK
IN THE 1920s IN '30s WAS
AGAINST JEWS.
IN 192219% OF HARVARD'S INCOMING
DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, THE
NUMBER OF ASIANS APPLYING TO
HARVARD CAME CLOSE TO DOUBLING.
IT WAS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE
THAT EVERY YEAR FROM THAT
'92-2013 THE NUMBER STAY THE
SAME?
THAT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.
>> Tucker: MAYBE THEY JUST
DIDN'T DO WELL ENOUGH ON THE
S.A.T.
LAST TWO DECADES THAT SHOW
ASIAN-AMERICANS SCORE ABOUT 140
POINTS HIGHER THAN THEIR WHITE
COUNTERPARTS, 270 POINTS HIGHER
THAN HISPANIC APPLICANTS TO
HARVARD AND THE IVY LEAGUE, AND
450 POINTS HIGHER THAN
AFRICAN-AMERICANS.
>> Tucker: THIS IS REAL,
EVERYONE KNOWS IT.
EVERYONE WITH KIDS APPLYING TO
IT.
WHY IS THIS PERMITTED TO
CONTINUE WHEN IT IS SO CLEARLY
RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AGAINST
THE LETTER AND THE SPIRIT OF
LAWS BANNING THIS KIND OF THING?
>> 70% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE THAT
STUDENTS' RACE OR ETHNICITY
SHOULD NOT BE A CONSIDERATION IN
ADMINISTRATORS AND BUREAUCRATS
AND ADMISSIONS OFFICERS ARE WED
TO THE IDEA THAT YOUR RACE
SHOULD BE USED TO HELP YOU OR
THAT'S THE BIG PROBLEM.
>> Tucker: WHY IS THIS
1950s WHERE INSTITUTIONS
PUNISH PEOPLE AND REWARDED
OTHERS ON THE BASIS OF FACTORS
THEY COULDN'T CONTROL LIKE THE
RAYS?
WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT?
>> ITS NOT DIFFERENT.
WRONG.
HISPANICS, THAT'S WRONG AS WELL.
IF YOU CANNOT REMEDY PAST
DISCRIMINATION WITH NEW
DISCRIMINATION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE NUMBERS
HERE?
>> THIS LAWSUIT AGAINST HARVARD
IS NOW IN ITS THIRD YEAR.
HARVARD, BY ORDER OF THE COURT,
HAD TO TURN OVER SIX YEARS OF
ADMISSIONS DATA TO US.
OUR EXPERTS HAVE ANALYZED THAT
DATA, THEY HAVE COMPILED ACUTE
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL HAVE
THESE NUMBERS THAT THEY CAN
ANALYZE THEMSELVES, AND WE THINK
IT WILL BE INCONTROVERTIBLE THAT
HARVARD IS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
ASIAN-AMERICANS SPECIFICALLY.
>> Tucker: IS HARVARD DENYING
>> Tucker: 'S THEY ARE SAYING
IT'S JUST ACCIDENTAL THAT THE
ADMISSIONS RATE FOR THIS ONE
GROUP IS EXACTLY THE SAME EVEN
THOUGH IT'S POPULATION HAS
DOUBLED?
>> IT'S A COINCIDENCE THAT
THEY ARE WEIGHING HOLISTIC
ADMISSIONS CRITERIA, LEADERSHIP
ABILITIES AND SOCIAL ABILITY,
MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH JEWS
BACK IN THE 1920s IN '30s.
>> Tucker: GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR
SUIT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Tucker: WHETHER HARVARD
CURRENTLY HAS A QUOTA SYSTEM,
AND IT DOES, OR NOT, ONE
VISITING PROFESSOR THINKS IT
SHOULD.
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL P
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL O
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL E
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL S
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL R
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL A
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EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL E
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL D
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL I
EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL
UNIVERSITIES SHOULD EXPLICITLY
IMPLEMENT A QUOTA SYSTEM FOR ALL
JASON NICHOLS IS A PROFESSOR AND
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Tucker: THE IDEA THAT ELITE
HARD TO KNOW WHAT IT WOULD
ACHIEVE.
I JUST PULLED THIS AT RANDOM,
BUT HARVARD, FOR EXAMPLE, ADMITS
A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS THAN THE
TWO CASES.
STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA IN 1978, AND 2003.
BOTH OF THOSE DETERMINED THAT
RACIAL QUOTAS ARE ILLEGAL.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A RACIAL
QUOTA, I WOULD SAY IF YOU ARE
SAY -- AT THE SAME TIME --
>> Tucker: WE JUST INTERVIEWED
THE GUY SUING THEM.
>> FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.
AT ANY RATE, I WOULD SAY THAT TO
TALK JUST ABOUT QUOTAS MISSES
THE DOCTOR'S PRIMARY POINT,
WHICH IS THAT WE HAVE A DEARTH
OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND LATINO
AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
WHEREAS COLLEGE AGED -- THE
COLLEGE-AGE POPULATION IS 15%
AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A GAP
THERE, AND HE'S TRYING TO SAY
THAT SOMETHING DRASTIC NEEDS TO
THAT HAS TO BE QUOTAS, OR WE
HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT, BUT
WITH THAT, SOMETHING DOES NEED
TO BE DONE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
TERRIBLE AND BLACK
NEIGHBORHOODS.
ALMOST ALL OF THEM, NOT ALL, BUT
ALMOST ALL ARE TERRIBLE AND NO
ONE EVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT
IN OUR SOLUTION IS JUST TO
IMPORT IMMIGRANTS TO MAKE UP THE
DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THAT IS A MASSIVE
FAILURE ON THE PART OF THE
COUNTRY TOWARD ITS
AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
I JUST AM VERY SKEPTICAL THAT
SETTING QUOTAS FOR
AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN IN COLLEGE
WILL HELP ANYBODY ON THE
SOUTHSIDE OF CHICAGO FOR
PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
>> LET ME TELL YOU ONE THING
THAT WAS DONE, AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF TEXAS.
INTO THE UNIVERSITY, AUTOMATIC
ADMISSION TO THE UNIVERSITY OF
TEXAS.
THAT ACTUALLY MADE FOR A
RELATIVELY DIVERSE POPULATION AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AND
GUESS WHAT?
RIGHT WING PEOPLE COMPLAINED.
THEY SAID IT WASN'T FAIR.
I'M IN THE 11TH PERCENTILE, AND
TO ME THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT
ENTITLEMENT.
>> Tucker: I DON'T KNOW, YOU
COULD ALSO MAKE THE CASE -- NOT
TO ARGUE TEXAS EDUCATION POLICY,
BUT HIGH SCHOOLS ARE VERY
DIFFERENT.
HIGHLAND PARK HIGH SCHOOL IS
REALLY HARD AND OTHER HIGH
SCHOOLS IN TEXAS ARE REALLY
EASY, SO IT'S NOT A ONE-TO-ONE
COMPARISON, THAT'S THE POINT.
DEMOGRAPHICALLY THAN IT WAS 20
AVERAGE THAN WHITE AMERICANS.
THAT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE THE
>> GOING BACK QUICKLY TO FIX ONE
THING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE
UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
THEIR GRADUATION RATES ROSE,
MORE PEOPLE WERE GRADUATING,
WHICH MEANS THAT A LOT OF THOSE
MATRICULATING AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF TEXAS.
>> Tucker: THAT DOESN'T
SURPRISE ME AT ALL.
I'M JUST SAYING, LOOK, THE TRUTH
IS YOU CAN METAL WITH THE
ADMISSIONS POLICIES AT
UNIVERSITIES ALL YOU WANT AND
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CORE
MAJORITY OF KIDS DON'T HAVE A
DAD AT HOME.
THESE ARE NOT PROBLEMS THAT ARE
NOT SOLVED AND ADMISSIONS OFFICE
NOT SOLVED AND ADMISSIONS OFFIC
OFFICE.
WE IGNORE THOSE PROBLEMS IN
BRITAIN HARVARD CAN FIX THEM.
PROVEN IN MANY DIFFERENT STUDIES
IS THAT DIVERSITY ACTUALLY HELPS
ENVIRONMENT, ECONOMICALLY,
RACIALLY, ETHNICALLY, ACTUALLY
HELPS ALL STUDENTS AND THAT
INCLUDES AFFLUENT WHITE
STUDENTS.
>> Tucker: SINCE YOU BELIEVE
IN DIVERSITY, DOES THIS NUMBER
BOTHER YOU?
THE PERCENTAGE OF AMERICANS WHO
IDENTIFY AS WHITE PROTESTANTS,
ABOUT 30%, AT HARVARD WHITE
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, A
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, L
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, T
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, L
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, E
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, L
PROTESTANTS MAKE UP ABOUT 17%, S
FOR MORE UNDERREPRESENTED THAN
BLACK STUDENTS AT HARVARD.
IT IS NOT A CAUSE FOR CONCERN?
WHY WOULDN'T WE CARE ABOUT THAT
IF WE CARE ABOUT DIVERSITY?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK UP --
>> Tucker: I'M USING THE RULES
THAT YOU SET.
>> HERE'S THE QUESTION.
>> Tucker: ALL UNIVERSITIES
ARE JUST ONES YOU LIKE?
>> ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME
AFFLUENT WHITE STUDENTS -- LET'S
TALK ABOUT --
OF ALL INCOME LEVELS ARE
DRAMATICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED AT
HARVARD.
IF IT'S A CONCERN THAT THIS
GROUP OR THAT GROUP IS
UNDERREPRESENTED, WHY WOULDN'T
THAT BE A CONCERN?
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT UNIVERSITIES
NATIONWIDE.
>> Tucker: HOW ABOUT JUST
HARVARD?
>> WHY JUST TALK ABOUT HARVARD?
THE NUMBERS RIGHT HERE, SUGGEST
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WHITE
UNDERREPRESENTED.
IT WHEN I JUST GAVE YOU
STATISTICS FROM THE BROOKINGS
INSTITUTE THAT SAID BLACKS ARE
UNDERREPRESENTED NATIONWIDE.
>> Tucker: ABSOLUTELY.
>> WHITE PROTESTANTS --
>> Tucker: I DIDN'T CONTEST
THAT.
WHITE PROTESTANTS ARE
DRAMATICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED AT
HARVARD, THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS
COLLEGE IN AMERICA.
>> WHAT HISTORICAL ISSUE HAS
KEPT WHITE PROTESTANTS OUT OF
HARVARD UNIVERSITY?
>> Tucker: I DON'T KNOW.
>> THERE IS NOT AS WHAT YOU ARE
IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE --
>> Tucker: HOLD ON, DOES EVERY
GROUP NEED TO BE REPRESENTED
PROPORTIONALLY OR JUST SOME?
>> I'M SAYING ONE OF THE
THINGS --
THE GO IT'S NOT AN EASY QUESTION
TO ANSWER.
>> Tucker: NOT EVERY GROUP
NEEDS TO BE REPRESENTED
PROPORTIONALLY, IS THAT WE WERE
SAYING?
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVERY
GROUP THAT HAS BEEN
UNDERREPRESENTED HISTORICALLY
AND ACTUALLY AT PRESENT