Let Life In.
[ APPLAUSE ] >>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE.
TODAY WE ARE TALKING TO MOTHERS
WHOSE CHILDREN ARE AT RISK OF
HURTING THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.
ALSO WITH US IS KENT KIEHL, A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY, NEURO
NEUROSCIENCE AND LAW AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. THIS IS NOT JUST BOYS, WE SHOULD
POINT OUT.
POINT OUT. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO GIRLS.
>> FOR EVERY BOY, ITS ONE IN TEN GIRL.ERY BOY, ITS ONE IN
TEN GIRL.
ITS MUCH RARER WITH GIRLS. >> THERES A MEMBER OF YOUR
GROUP WITH WHOM WE SPOKE THAT
HAS I THINK A 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL WHO SHE ADMITTED KILLED THEIRL
WHO SHE ADMITTED KILLED THE FAMILY CAT, STRANGLED THE FAMILY
DOG, ATTACKED HER MOTHER WITH A
KNIFE, SAID SHE HAD A PLAN TO
KILL HER AND THE WHOLE FAMILY, PUT POISON OAK IN THE MOTHERS,
PUT POISON OAK IN THE MOTHERS SHOWER WASH, WHICH SHE KNEW THE
MOTHER WAS DEATHLY ALLERGIC TO.
SHES HAD TO LIVE WITH HER TOO.
ITS NOT UNLIKE DOMESTIC ABUSE,
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHERE YOURE
SENTENCED, IN YOUR CASE,
HOWEVER, TO STAY WITH THE
ABUSER.
>> ITS MY ASSERTION THAT IT IS LEGALLY MANDATED DOMESTICIT IS
LEGALLY MANDATED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
VIOLENCE.
WE ARE TOLD THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH OUR ABUSERS.WE HAVE TO LIVE
WITH OUR ABUSERS. WE ARE LEGALLY AND FINANCIALLY
RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.
AND WE HAVE TO STICK IT OUT FOR
TEN YEARS.
TEN YEARS.
OH, BY THE WAY, ITS PROBABLY YOUR FAULT HES ACTING THAT WAY
ANYWAY.
ANYWAY.
CAN YOU IMAGINE IF SOMEBODY SAID
THAT TO A BATTERED WIFE?
>> AND ITS ABSURD BECAUSE KENT
DOES BRAIN SCANS OF THESE KIDS
AND WHAT DO THEY SHOW YOU?
>> AGAIN, I WORK WITH THE
HIGHEST RISK KIDS, SO KIDS THAT ARE ALREADY INCARCERATED.S THAT
ARE ALREADY INCARCERATED. WHEN THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE
TRAITS, THE CONDUCT DISORDER
TRAITS AND CALLOUSED EMOTIONAL
TRAITS THERE ARE PARTS OF THEIR
BRAIN THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT.
THE ORBITAL FRONTAL CORTEX, THE
REGIONS THAT CONTROL THE
EMOTIONS AND IMPULSIVITY,
THERES JUST LESS MUSCLE MASS.
LESS TISSUE.
LESS TISSUE. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT CAUSES THAT?
>> NO, WE DONT KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT CAUSES IT.
WE KNOW THAT WE SEE THE SAME
EFFECTS IN ADULTS THAT WE SEE IN
THESE HIGH-RISK KIDS BUT WE
DONT HAVE A GREAT IDEA.
>> BUT EARLY INTERVENTION CAN
HELP?
HELP?
>> SO YES. IN THE LAST TEN YEARS THERES
BEEN KIND OF A GROWTH IN
DEVELOPMENT OF TREATMENT
PROGRAMS FOR KIDS LIKE THIS.
>> WHERE, WHERE?
THESE MOTHERS ARE NOT ABLE TO
GET THEIR KIDS INTO ANY OF THEM.
>> SOME OF THE BEST ARE IN
EUROPE AND IN AUSTRALIA.
>> NOT IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> THATS WHAT DAWN SAID THE
LAST TIME.
LAST TIME.
SHE SAID I DONT WANT TO MOVE TO AUSTRALIA. DONT WANT TO MOVE TO
AUSTRALIA.
AND YOU SAYING I DONT WANT TO GIVE UP LEGAL RIGHTS TO MY CHILD
TO GET HIM IN FOSTER CARE SO WE
CAN PAY 12 GRAND A MONTH THROUGH
MEDICAID BECAUSE SOMETIMES WERE
MAKING TOO MUCH TO GET THE CARE
BUT NOT ENOUGH TO GET WHAT IT
ACTUALLY COSTS.
ACTUALLY COSTS.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, SARABETH,
WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CHILD,
WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIM, I ASSUME YOU FEEL LOVE AND WHAT ELSE?ME
YOU FEEL LOVE AND WHAT ELSE? >> FEAR.
>> FEAR.
IM AFRAID THAT ONE MORNING ILL
WAKE UP AND ONE OF MY CHILDREN
WILL NOT BE ALIVE.
HES REPEATEDLY THREATENED MY HUSBAND.ATEDLY THREATENED MY
HUSBAND.
IM AFRAID ONE DAY ILL GET A
CALL AND HE WILL BE THE NEXT
SCHOOL SHOOTER.
ITS POSSIBLE.
I HOPE AND PRAY THAT ITS NOT. IM TRYING EVERYTHING I CAN TO
PROTECT EVERYONE AROUND ME.
BUT THERE IS A CHANCE.
>> SO WHERE ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO
GO RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVE A CHILD
WHOS HURT ANIMALS, A CHILD
WHOS HURT SIBLINGS, A CHILD WHO
HAS NO EMPATHY?
REALLY, I MEAN TRULY, ARE THERE
ANY OPTIONS OTHER THAN EUROPE?
OR AUSTRALIA?
OR AUSTRALIA? WHERE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GO?
>> UNFORTUNATELY I GET THESE
QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME.
ITS HEART WRENCHING.
THE BEST ADVICE I TYPICALLY GIVE
IS TO TRY TO REACH OUT TO A
LOCAL CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY GROUP
AT THE UNIVERSITY NEAR YOU TO
SEE IF THEY HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS
FOCUSED ON WORKING WITH KIDS
WITH THESE PROBLEMS.
>> I CAN SEE THE LOOK ON
EVERYBODYS FACE.
EVERYBODYS FACE.
>> THEY HAVE TRIED.
>> THEYRE STARTING A NEW GROUP.
ITS STALLED S.T.O.P.P.
>> SOCIETY FOR TREATMENT OPTIONS FOR POTENTIAL PSYCHOPATHS.PTIONS
FOR POTENTIAL PSYCHOPATHS. AND IT IS OUR GOAL TO GET
FACILITIES, SPECIAL FACILITIES
FOR CONDUCT -- FOR THE TREATMENT
OF CONDUCT DISORDER BUILT ALL
ACROSS -- WELL, EVENTUALLY THE
WORLD BUT LETS START WITH THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. I MEAN AT MINIMUM ONE IN EACH
STATE.
STATE.
THERE HAS TO BE -- EVERYBODY
KEEPS SAYING EARLY INTERVENTION
IS THE KEY, BUT WHERE?
THERE IS NO EARLY INTERVENTION.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IS FAMILIES GET SADDLED WITH THESE CHILDREN WHO
HAVE NOWHERE NEAR THE
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO DEAL
WITH IT, NOR JUST THE
INTELLECTUAL EMOTIONAL CAPACITY
TO HANDLE THAT FOR A LIFETIME.
>> AND I FEEL LIKE IM JUST
NOW -- THERES HOPE THAT IM
GETTING MY CHILD BACK, UBUT IF
THERE WAS A TREATMENT FACILITY
COULD I HAVE GOTTEN HIM BACK
WHEN HE WAS 6 OR 9?
>> WHAT ABOUT EVAN WHOS 5 AND
AMY IS JUMPING UP AND DOWN
SAYING HELP ME.
HELP ME RIGHT NOW.
IT TOOK SO MUCH COURAGE FOR YOU
ALL TO TELL YOUR STORIES AND BE
HERE.
HERE.
YOU KNOW THERE ARE SO MANY MORE PARENTS AT HOME DEALING WITH IT
RIGHT NOW WHO I HOPE FEEL
INSPIRED BY YOU.
ITS CALLED S.T.O.P.P.
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