WE
WE HAD
WE HAD ALWAYS BEEN FRIENDLY WITH ONE ANOTHER.4@
ONE ANOTHER.4@ I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE HIM AS
NOT FRIENDLY.4@
NOT FRIENDLY.4@ HE WAS NERVOUS AND NOT WANTING
TO SPEAK WITH ME.
HE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT ILL4@.
>> H4@OW LONG DID THIS OCCUR AFR
THE INCIDENT?4@4@
THE INCIDENT?4@4@ >> I WOULD ESTIMATE SIX TO EIGHT
WEEKS.
WEEKS.
WEEKS. >>
WEEKS. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
4@>>> BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK, I
CAN'T LET WHAT DURBIN -- SENATOR
DURBIN SAID.
DURBIN SAID. BY THE WAY, HE'S MY FRIEND.
WE WORK ON A LOT OF LEGISLATION
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE
OBSTRUCTION FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
I CANNOT LET IT GO BY WHAT
YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY SO MANY
TIMES THAT BETWEEN JULY 30th AN@
SEPTEMBER 13th THAT WERE 45
DAYS, THIS COMMITTEE COULD HAVE
BEEN INVESTIGATING THIS
SITUATION AND HER PRIVACY WOULD
HAVE BEEN PROTECTED.
SO SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE IN
BETWEEN ON YOUR SIDE THAT THE
WHOLE COUNTRY -- NOT THE WHOLE
COUNTRY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN -- WE
SHOULD HAVE INVESTIGATED IT.
WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW FOR 15
MINUTES.
MINUTES.
MINUTES. >>> WE'VE BEEN WATCHING
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD FOR THE
FIRST TIME UNDER OATH ANSWERING
QUESTIONS BEFORE THE SENATE
4@
QUESTIONS BEFORE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. NO DOUBT EARLY IN THIS DAY,
EARLY IN HER TESTIMONY AND
QUESTIONING.
QUESTIONING. PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO FO4@RM
THEIR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT HER
CREDIBILITY AND HER DEMEANOR AN@
SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AS I BRING ON OUR PANEL, CHUCK @
TODD AND MEGAN TALLY AND
SAVANNAH.
SAVANNAH.
SAVANNAH. ONE THING I'VE NOTED IS THE
FORMAT.
FORMAT.
FORMAT. IF YOU'VE WATCHED THE PREVIOUSLY
TESTIMONY WHERE WE GO FROM
REPUBLICANS TO DEMOCRATS AND NOW
WE'RE SEEING THE QUESTIONING
FROM A SEASONED PROSECUTOR,
RACHEL MITCHELL, WHO WAS HIRED
BY THE REPUBLICANS.4@
CLEARLY, SHE WANTS -- SEEMS TO @
BE DRYING TO D
CLEARLY, SHE WANTS -- SEEMS TO @ BE TRYING TO DO A LINEAR.
>> I'M FRUSTRATED AS A VIEWER.
>> THEY'RE DOING POLITICAL
QUESTIONING.
QUESTIONING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD HAVE
BEEN POSSIBLE TO SAY POOL
TOGETHER OUR MINUTES AND GIVE
THEM TO THIS PROSECUTOR AND LET
TOGETHER OUR MINUTES AND GIVE THEM TO THIS PROSECUTOR AND LET@
HER GET A LITTLE FLOW GOING.
THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I'M SURE IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR
THE PROSECUTOR AND THE WITNESS
TOO.
TOO.
TOO. >>
TOO. >> SHE'S ALL ABOUT THE FACTS.
SHE'S TRYING TO DRIVE HOLES IN
THE WITNESS'S MEMORY.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER THIS, YOU
SAID THAT.4@
SAID THAT.4@ IT'S FAR LESS EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU
CAN'T STREAM A NARRATIVE.
IT'S TOO CHOPPY TO FOLLOW.
>> IT DOES COME DOWN T4@O PEOPLS
IMPRESSIONS OF HER, THE WITNESS
WHOM WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM
BEFORE AND HOW SHE'S PRESENTING
HERSELF AND THIS WAS CERTAINLY @
AN EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY.
>> IT WAS A POWERFUL OPENING
STATEMENT.4@
STATEMENT.4@ 4@NOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO HR
HOW IS HE GOING TO RESPOND?
>> THAT'S THE THING.
YOU LISTEN TO CHRISTINE FORD.4@@
FOR ME, THE MOMENT THAT WILL
STAY WITH ME WAS WHEN SHE
DESCRIBED HAVING A MEMORY OF
BEING IN THAT ROOM AND LOOKING
OVER AT MARK JUDGE AND HAVING
EYE CONTACT WITH HIM AND ASKING
HERS4@ELF, WILL HE SAVE ME?4@
AND HE DIDN'T.
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS
EMOTIONAL.
EMOTIONAL. >> IT WAS AN EMOTIONAL MOMENT.
>> THE QUESTION WAS TH4@E MOST @
VIVID MEMORY.
VIVID MEMORY. SHE SAID THE UPROARIOUS LAUGHTER
AND HAVING FUN AT MY EXPENSE.4@
I MEAN, LOOK, IF SHE IS AN
ACTRESS, SHE'S REALLY GOOD.4@4@
REALLY GOOD.4@
REALLY GOOD.4@ >> WE -- IT'S DEEPLY PROBLEMATIC
FROM HIM.
FROM HIM.
FROM HIM. >> WE'VE PULLED SOME OF THE
SOUND FROM THAT.
>> WHAT IS THE STRONGEST MEMORY
YOU HAVE, STRONGEST MEMORY OF
THE INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT YOU
CANNOT FORGET?
CANNOT FORGET? TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED.
>> INDELIBLE IN THE HIPPOCAMPUS
TAKE WHATEVER TIME YOU NEED. >> INDELIBLE IN THE HIPPOCAMPUS@
IS THE LAUGHTER, THE UPROARIOUS
LAUGHTER BETWE4@EN THE TWO AND
THEIR HAVING FUN AT MY EXPENSE.@
>> YOU NEVER FORGOTTEN THAT
LAUGHTER?
LAUGHTER?
LAUGHTER? YOU NEVER FORGOTTEN THEM
LAUGHING AT YOU?
>> THEY WERE LAUGHING WITH EACH
OTHER.
OTHER.
OTHER. >>
OTHER. >> AND YOU WERE THE OBJECT OF
THE LAUGHTER?
THE LAUGHTER? >> I WAS UNDERNEATH ONE OF THEM
WHILE THE TWO LAUGHED.
TWO FRIENDS HAVING A REALLY GOOD
TIME WITH ONE ANOTHER.
>> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT CAME UP AT THE TABLE HERE.
I FORGOT WHO BROUGHT IT UP.
LAUGHTER IS ONE OF THE THINGS AS
A TEENAGER --
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
THAT HAS THE HALLMARK OF
AUTHENTICITY.4@4@
AUTHENTICITY.4@4@ IS THERE ANYTHING MORE
MORTIFYING THAN HAVING BOYS
LAUGH AT YOU.
HAVE A LAUGH AT YOUR EXPENSE.
THAT'S ALL WHEN YOU'RE SIZING UP
TH4@E CREDIBILITY OF A WITNESS,
IT'S ALL OF TH4@ESE THINGS, IT'
DEMEANOR, IT'S SPE4@ECH.
YES, IT'S CAN YOU REMEMBER
DETAILS.4@
DETAILS.4@ BUT IT'S A WHOLE CONSTELLATION
OF OTHER THINGS AND WHETHER OR
NOT IT B4@EARS THOSE HALLMARKS @
THE BADGE OF TRUTH.4@
THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY, THAT'S
THE DECISION THAT'S BEFORE
SENATORS.
SENATORS.
SENATORS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT STICKS WITH
4@
SOMETHING LIKE THAT STICKS WITH YOU.
YOU.
YOU. BECAUSE I 4@THOUGHT WHEN HE ASK
THAT, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE
INDELIBLE THING, I WOULD SAY 4@
MAYBE THE HAND OVER HER MOUTH.
NO FOR A TEENAGE GIRL, IT'S THE
IDEA O4@F BOYS LAUGHING AT HER.
NO FOR A TEENAGE GIRL, IT'S THE IDEA O4@F BOYS LAUGHING AT HER.@
>> HOW ABOUT HER DESCRIPTION OF
RUNNING INTO MARK JUDGE, THAT
WAS A POWERFUL MOMENT.
HER SAYING I WENT INTO THE WRONG
DOOR, BY THE WAY WITH THE
TEENAGE GOING I'M EXPERIENCING
THAT MYSELF THESE DAYS, I DON'T
WANT TO 4@GO INTO THE SAME DOOR
THAT MYSELF THESE DAYS, I DON'T WANT TO 4@GO INTO THE SAME DOORS
YOU, DAD.
YOU, DAD.
YOU, DAD. ALL OF A SUDDEN RUNNING INTO HIM
AND HER DESCRIPTION OF HIM.
IT'S THOSE LITTLE DETAILS THAT
ARE GIVING HER CREDIBILITY.
>> THERE'S A QUESTION STILL TO
REMEMBER, THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE
TO THIS.4@
TO THIS.4@ ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS EXACTLY AS
SHE SAYS.
SHE SAYS.
SHE SAYS. WHETHER HER EXPERIENCE OF IT 4@
NOW, HER MEMLY O
WHETHER HER EXPERIENCE OF IT 4@ NOW, HER MEM L
WHETHER HER EXPERIENCE OF IT 4@ NOW, HER MEMORY OF IT MATCHES U@
WITH HOW IT WENT DOWNMENT
WHETHER HER MEMORY FILLS IN GAP@
SHE HAD AROUND CERTAIN ASPECTS
OF IT THAT IS MORE HELPFUL TO
HER STORY AND MORE DAMAGE
OF IT THAT IS MORE HELPFUL TO HER STORY AND MORE DAMAING TO
BRETT KAVANAUGH.
BRETT KAVANAUGH. SHE'S A SYMPATHETIC WITNESS AND
CLEARLY BELIEVES THIS HAPPENED
TO HER.
TO HER.
TO HER. DOES SHE KNOW ALL THESE YEARS
LATER?
LATER?
LATER? YOU HAVE REPUBLICAN SENATORS ON
THE OTHER SIDE WHO ARE
BLUSTERING ABOUT AND YOU'VE GOT
GRASSLEY, MY STAFF -- IT'S A
JARRING JUXTAPOSITION TO HEAR
HIM AND THEN HER.
THE QUESTION IS, WILL THEY
BELIEVE IT AMOUNTS TO ANYTHING.
WAS THIS A PERSON WHO IS
MISREMEMBERING OR WHO WAS WHAT
WE CALL A -- THEY CAN WALK AWAY
MISREMEMBERING OR WHO WAS WHAT WE CALL A -- THEY CAN WALK AWAY@
SAYING4@ OH, WAS THIS JUST SOME
GUY WHO MADE A BAD MOVE AND SHE
SAYING4@ OH, WAS THIS JUST SOME GUY WHO MADE A BAD MOVE AND SHE@
MADE MORE OF IT IN HER HEAD.
>> THE PROBLEM IS BRETT
KAVANAUGH HAS SAID IT DIDN'T
HAPPEN AT ALL.
IT LEAVES THEM IN THAT POSITION.
>> HE LEFT HIMSELF SOME WIGGLE
ROOM OR I WAS YOUNG AND DRANK
TOO MUCH, I'M SORRY IF SOMETHING
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE
REACHED THIS STAGE.
I THINK IT IS THAT HE SET
HIMSELF UP TO BE QUESTIONED NOT
JUST ON HIS CHARACTER AND
BEHAVIOR BACK THEN BUT WHETHER
HE LIED TO4@ THE COMMITTEE.
>> WE SHOULD REMIND FOLKS ALSO,
SHE'S A PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR.
SOME OF HER ANSWERS SPECIFICALLY
ABOUT HER MEMORY, LET'S SAY 4@
SHE'S USING BEYOND LAYMAN'S
TERMS.
TERMS.
TERMS. >>
TERMS. >> IT'S INDELIBLE IN THE 4@
HIPPOCAMPU
>> IT'S INDELIBLE IN THE 4@
HIPPOCAMPUS.4@ WHICH YOU STARTED GOOGLING.
>> I COME BACK TO WHAT CHUCK
SAID, SHE GOES THE SAFEWAY A FEW
WEEKS LATER, DIDN'T WANT TO GO
IN THE SAME ROOM WITH HER MOM
BEING A TEENAGER AND RUNS INTO
ANOTHER KID THAT SHE THINKS SHE
REMEMBERS BEING PART OF THE
ATTACK.4@
ATTACK.4@
ATTACK.4@ ACCORDING TO HER STORY.
I COME BACK TO THE POLITICS.
4@THE PEOPLE WATCHING THIS, OTH
REPUBLICANS AND WHAT ARE THEY
THINKING ABOUT THE POLITICAL
IMPACT OF TAKING ONE SIDE OR
ANOTHER?
ANOTHER?
ANOTHER? THEY HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT
JUDGE KAVANAUGH DOES.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORRIED
ABOUT --
ABOUT --
ABOUT -- >> IN FAIRNESS GOT SENATORS, I
THINK THEY'RE ALSO PROBABLY --
THEY HAVE KIDS THAT ARE ABOUT
THE SAME AGE AS A LOT OF THE --
[ OVERLAPPING TALKING ].
>> ON THIS, ANY REFERENCES AS
KIDS -- THIS IS PAINFUL TO WATCH
AS A PARENT OF A TEENAGER.
IT IS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY YES,
THERE'S POLITICS INVOLVED AND I
IT IS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY YES, THERE'S POLITICS INVOLVED AND I@
WOULDN'T DOUBT THAT BE VERY
CURIOUS HOW HE RESPONDS TO THIS,
4@
CURIOUS HOW HE RESPONDS TO THIS, ALONG WITH JEFF FLAKE.
WE'VE GOTTEN WORDS ABOUT HOW 4@
INTENTLY THEY'VE BEEN LISTENING.
>> THEY'RE HEARING THINGS AT
HOME FROM CONSTITUENTS AND