>>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY. THE PANEL BREAKS DOWN THE GUILTY
PLEA FOR MICHAEL COHEN,
PRESIDENT TRUMP’S FORMER
ATTORNEY.
ATTORNEY. JOIN US LOVE MICHAEL COHEN’S
ATTORNEY LANNY DAVIS.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MEGYN.
>> TAKE YOU TO MARCH WHEN COHEN
HAD A DIFFERENT LAWYER AND I
ASKED HIM ABOUT THE CLAIM AT
THAT TIME THAT TRUMP HAD NOTHING
TO DO WITH THIS.
MICHAEL COHEN TOOK CARE OF IT
WITHOUT TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE, PAID
OFF STORMY DANIELS, $130,000 AND
TRUMP HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
HERE IS PART OF THAT EXCHANGE.
>> YOU ARE CLAIMING THE LAWYER
NEVER TOLD TRUMP ABOUT IT.
>> NEVER TOLD HIM.
>> MICHAEL COHEN JUST SPENDS
$130,000 OF HIS OWN MONEY AND
NEVER SOUGHT REIMBURSEMENT FROM
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. COME ON, NO ONE BELIEVES THAT,
DAVID.
DAVID. NO ONE BELIEVES THAT.
TURNS OUT IT WAS NOT TRUE.
RIGHT?
RIGHT? IT WASN’T TRUE.
>> IT WAS NOT TRUE.
>> WHY WAS HIS LAWYER ON
NATIONAL TELEVISION SAYING IT
WAS.
WAS. >> I HAVE NO IDEA.
>> DID MICHAEL COHEN CLAIM THAT
INITIALLY?
INITIALLY? IS SCHWARZ MISREPRESENTING THERE
OR MICHAEL COHEN THE
MISREPRESENTER.
MISREPRESENTER. >> I CAN ONLY GUESS, AND IT’S
NOT FAIR FOR MICHAEL FOR ME TO
GUESS, THAT HE’S UNDERGONE A
TRANSFORMATION, AN HE HAVEEVOLUT
WHATEVER THE WORD IS, HE DID A
LOT OF THINGS TO DEFEND DONALD
TRUMP THAT HE NOW REGRETS.
HE’S A NEW PERSON.
WHEN HE FIRST CALLED ME, HE TOLD
ME HE WAS CHANGING HIS LIFE AND
NOW TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP STAND THAT’S WHY HE
WANTED ME TO HELP HIM.
IT TOOK ME ABOUT TWO WEEKS TO
DECIDE TO AGREE, AN INTENSE
CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
I SUSPECT MR. SCHWARZ MAY HAVE
BEEN LISTENING TO SOMETHING THAT
WAS NOT TRUE IN DEFENSE OF
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. >> THE OLD MICHAEL COHEN SAID
THAT HE DID THIS TO PROTECT
DONALD TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY.
HE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS 10 YEARS
BEFORE AN ELECTION, 10 DAYS
BEFORE AN ELECTION, DIDN’T HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH AN ELECTION,
WHICH IS HOW JOHN EDWARDS GOT
OUT OF PAYING OFF HIS MISTRESS
PRIOR TO HIS PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
WHAT CHANGED?
WHAT CHANGED? WAS THAT NOT TRUE AT THE TIME?
THIS WAS, MICHAEL COHEN ADMITS,
TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP’S
ELECTION CHANCES.
ELECTION CHANCES. >> WELL, HE ADMITTED UNDER OATH
IN FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT
YESTERDAY THAT IT WAS DIRECTED
AND COORDINATED BY PRESIDENT
TRUMP.
TRUMP. >> WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT MOTIVE
NOW, MOTIVE FOR THE PAYMENT.
>> MOTIVE FOR THE PAYMENT IN HIS
SWORN STATEMENT BEFORE A JUDGE
YESTERDAY WAS THE PRINCIPLE
PURPOSE WAS BECAUSE OF CONCERN
ABOUT THE EFFECT ON A
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WHICH IS
A CRIME THAT HE ADMITTED TO AND
MR. TRUMP HAD DIRECTED HIM TO DO
THAT WOULD BE EQUALLY GUILTY OF
THAT CRIME.
THAT CRIME. >> DOES MICHAEL COHEN BELIEVE
DONALD TRUMP COMMITTED A FELONY?
>> THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT
HAVING PLED TO A FELONY
YESTERDAY AND SAYING MR. TRUMP
DIRECTED HIM TO DO WHAT HE DID,
MR. TRUMP WOULD BE GUILTY OF THE
SAME CRIME AS I TWEETED
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. ONE COULD NOT BE TRUE WITHOUT
THE OTHER BEING TRUE.
THERE’S NO DENYING RUDY GIULIANI
HIMSELF SAID WHEN TRUMP LIED ON
"AIR FORCE ONE" AND SAID HE
DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS,
HE REALLY DID.
HE KNEW ABOUT IT.
RUDY GIULIANI THROWING A CLIENT
UNDER THE BUS.
>> GIULIANI TOLD "WALL STREET
JOURNAL" THAT TRUMP DIDN’T
NECESSARILY KNOW ABOUT THE
PAYMENT AT THE TIME IT WAS MADE
BUT HE DID REIMBURSE COHEN.
YOU CLAIM HE SUBMITTED A LETTER
TO THE COURT, A THAT GIULIANI OR
TRUMP SUBMITTED LETTER TO THE
COURT TAKING FULL OWNERSHIP.
IS THERE A LETTER TO THE COURT
THAT ADMITS TRUMP DIRECTED THIS.
>> I’M LOOKING AT WHERE I
REMEMBER SEEING A LETTER.
I HAVE TO ADMIT I’M LOOKING FOR
THAT LETTER.
THAT LETTER. I DO REMEMBER VERY CLEARLY RUDY
GIULIANI SAYING THAT DONALD
TRUMP LIED ON "AIR FORCE ONE"
WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW
ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT. >> GIULIANI SAID HE REIMBURSED
THE PAYMENT.
THE PAYMENT. GIULIANI TO MY RECOLLECTION HAS
NEVER ADMITTED TRUMP KNEW ABOUT
IT AT THE TIME MORE ADMITTED
TRUMP DIRECTED IT.
>> I THINK RUDY GIULIANI
SPECIFICALLY SAID, SO HE LIED TO
THE PRESS ABOUT NOT KNOWING
ABOUT IT, THAT’S NOT A CRIME.
PUTTING THE PIECES TOGETHER.
YOU HAVE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS IN
MANHATTAN, AND YOU HAVE MICHAEL
COHEN SAYING THAT SPECIFICALLY
DONALD TRUMP DIRECTED AND
COORDINATED THIS PAYMENT, AND
THAT’S A CRIME.
>> IS THERE ANOTHER SHOE TO DROP
IN THIS CASE?
I KNOW YOU TOLD RACHEL MADDOW
TRUMP HAS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THAT
TRUMP TOWER MEETING, POSSIBILITY
TO CORRUPT AND COLLUDE THE
CORRUPTION, THE COMPUTER CRIME
OF HACKING.
OF HACKING. THIS IS QUOTING YOU NOW.
WHETHER DONALD TRUMP KNEW ABOUT
IT AHEAD OF TIME.
EVEN IT’S BEEN REPORTED YOU SAID
MICHAEL COHEN MIGHT HAVE
INFORMATION FOR PROSECUTORS OR
MUELLER THAT RELATE TO THE
CHARITABLE FOUNDATION OF THE
TRUMP FAMILY.
TRUMP FAMILY. IS ALL OF THAT TRUE?
DO YOU STAND BY ALL OF THAT?
>> WELL, I DIDN’T TELL RACHEL
MADDOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRUMP
TOWER MEETING.
TOWER MEETING. I DID SAY IT WAS MY OBSERVATION,
BECAUSE I CAN’T REVEAL WHAT MY
CLIENT HAS TOLD ME, YOU’LL HAVE
TO WAIT FOR MR. MUELLER AND THAT
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. BUT I DID SAY THAT THERE IS
CERTAINLY SOMETHING OF INTEREST
TO MR. MUELLER CONCERNING MR.
TRUMP’S KNOWLEDGE OF THE HACKING
OF A COMPUTER THAT WAS DONE AND
THAT COULD BE A CRIMINAL
OFFENSE.
OFFENSE. >> AND DO YOU BELIEVE AT THIS
POINT, BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW
FROM MICHAEL COHEN, YOU CAN’T
SHARE IT WITH US, DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS COMMITTED
MORE THAN THE FELONIES YOU’VE
ACCUSED HIM OF, MORE THAN JUST
THIS ELECTION PAYOFF?
>> YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT BASED
ON THE LAW OF CONSPIRACY, WHICH
IS IF A GROUP OF PEOPLE GET
TOGETHER WITH A RUSSIAN AGENT,
AND ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS OF
THE MEETING IS TOLD WE HAVE DIRT
ON HILLARY CLINTON, AND HE SAYS,
I LOVE IT, ANY OVERT ACT AFTER
THAT MEETING TO IMPLEMENT A PLAN
OF PUTTING DIRT OUT ON HILLARY
CLINTON THAT MIGHT INVOLVE THE
ILLEGAL INVASION OF A COMPUTER
BY HACKING WOULD BE A CRIMINAL
CONSPIRACY.
CONSPIRACY. WE’LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE
FACTS MR. MUELLER IS LOOKING AT
SHOW.
SHOW. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION.
SO YOU BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP HAS
COMMITTED MULTIPLE FELONIES
OUTSIDE OF ELECTION FINANCE LAW.
DO YOU HAVE HIS FAMILY MEMBERS
HAVE?
HAVE? HIS SONS, HIS DAUGHTER, ANYTHING
ELSE?
ELSE? >> I HAVE NEVER SEEN EVIDENCE
ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER.
I THINK DONALD JUNIOR SAYING I
LOVE IT, PARTICIPATING IN THE
MEETING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF
THE PLAN AT THE MEETING
CONCERNING DIRT ABOUT HILLARY WE
SAW OCCUR THROUGH THE HACKING OF
COMPUTERS BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS.
OFFICIALS. WE’LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHETHER
MR. MUELLER CAN MAKE THAT INTO A
CRIME.
CRIME. >> LAST QUESTION, IS MICHAEL
COHEN PREPARED TO TESTIFY BEFORE
CONGRESS ON THIS ISSUE OR BEFORE
A GRAND JURY ON EVERYTHING HE
KNOWS?
KNOWS? >> MICHAEL COHEN HAS COMMITTED
TO TELLING THE TRUTH TO WHOEVER
WANTS HIM TO TELL THE TRUTH.
BEYOND THAT, I’LL HAVE TO LEAVE
THAT TO HIS CRIMINAL DEFENSE
LAWYER.
LAWYER. COULD I TAKE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO
REMIND EVERYONE THAT MICHAEL
COHEN HAS SUFFERED A TRAGIC AND
DIFFICULT EXPERIENCE WITH HIS
FAMILY.
FAMILY. HE’S WITHOUT RESOURCES AND WE’VE
SET UP A WEBSITE CALLED MICHAEL
COHEN TRUTH.COM THAT WE’RE
HOPING THAT HE WILL GET SOME
HELP FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SO
HE CAN CONTINUE TO TELL THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. >> THE AUDIENCE, I DON’T KNOW IF
THEY ARE READY TO DONATE, LANNY.
WE DID CHECK BEFORE WE WENT ON
AIR.
AIR. IT’S GOT $70,000 IN IT SO FAR.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING ON.
>> I WOULD SAY THE REACTION OF
YOUR AUDIENCE MAY BE THEY ARE
NOT AS INTERESTED IN GETTING THE
TRUTH OUT ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AS
MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. APPROXIMATELY 60% OF THE COUNTRY
WOULD NOT HAVE THE REACTION OF
YOUR AUDIENCE.
YOUR AUDIENCE. >> BY THE WAY, I OVERSTATED,
IT’S $20,000, FOR $70,000.
HOPE SPRING ETERNAL.