HERE IS PART TWO TWO OF OUR
CONVERSATION.
>> SHORTLY THEREAFTER IT BECAME
MY IF PROPERTY, I TOOK A LOOK AT
SOME OF THE DATA.
I DEFINITELY I SAW SOME HINGES
THAT WERE A CONCERN, AN
OBSCENELY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY
TRADING HANDS WITH BURISMA IN
EXCHANGE FOR PAVERS FROM THE
STATE DEPARTMENT AND -- FAVORS,
AND BASICALLY A PAY FOR PLAY
SCHEME.
AND I KNEW THAT BETWEEN THAT AND
THE EMBARRASSING CONTENT THAT
WAS ON THE LAPTOP, I NEEDED TO
GET THIS TO THE AUTHORITIES.
I WANTED TO GIVE IT TO THE FBI
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS
PROPER CHANNEL, BY I -- BUT I
NEED TO DO IT IN ALBUQUERQUE.
I CAN’T DO IT MYSELF, I’M TOO
AFRAID TO DO IT MYSELF.
SO I ENLISTED MY POWER TO DO IT
FOR ME.
HE APPROACHED THE ALBUQUERQUE
FIELD OFFICE FOR THE FBI IN
EARLY OCTOBER OF 2019, AND HE
WALKED INTO AN OFFICE WHERE THE
FBI AGENT BASICALLY TELLS HIM TO
LAWYER UP, GET THE HELL OUT AND
DON’T TALK ABOUT THIS.
WILL: REALLY?
>> YEP.
AND THIS IS -- MY DAD WAS
SITTING THERE WITH A HARD DRIVE,
A COPY OF THE DRIVE --
WILL: WHAT’S THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN YOU AND THE PBI BEEN --
FBI BEEN LIKE SINCE THAT MOMENT?
>> WELL, MY FATHER AND I WERE
JUST DISENFRANCHISED.
WE THOUGHT -- YOU KNOW, WE
DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
IT WAS A MONTH LATER THAT THAT
AN PBI AGENT NAMED JOSHUA
REACHES OUT TO MY FATHER IN AN
EFFORT TO GET AHOLD OF ME THAT
WE FINALLY THOUGHT MAYBE
SOMEBODY’S GOING TO TAKE THIS
SERIOUSLY.
SO THE FBI MET WITH ME AT MY
HOME AND ASKED ME ABOUT MY
CONCERNS.
THEN THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING
TO COME, AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE
A FORENSIC CLONE OF THE DRIVE.
WHEN THEY SHOWED UP, INSTEAD OF
BRINGING A TECH GUY WITH THEM,
HAY BROUGHT A SUBPOENA, AND
THEY’RE LIKE, YEAH, WE’RE JUST
GOING TO TAKE EVERYTHING.
I’M LIKE, OKAY, GREAT, TAKE IT,
TAKE IT ALL.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED IN
THE FIRST PLACE.
WILL: YOU SAID YOUR FATHER
REACHED OUT IN OCTOBER OF 0199
INIAL ALBUQUERQUE.
IF YOU WANTED THIS OUT OF YOUR
POSSESSION SO DESPERATELY R I
BELIEVE IT LEGALLY CAME INTO
YOUR POSSESSION IN THE SUMMER OF
2017.
>> WELL, HUNTER’S LAWYER SAID MY
HUNTER CROPPED OUT OFF IN 2017.
HE DROPPED IT OFF IN 019.
HUNTER DIDN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN
HE DROPPED IT OFF.
WILL: I SEE.
SO YOU HELD ON TO LAPTOP FOR A
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> UH-HUH.
I STILLED HAD ANY -- MY FINGERS
CROSSED THAT THE FBI WAS GOING
TO ADMIT THE LAPTOP AS EVIDENCE
SO THE WHITE HOUSE HAD IT FOR
DEFENSE.
MY HEART SANK WHEN THE
IMPEACHMENT TRIAL CONCLUDED AND
THERE WAS NO SIGN OF THAT LAPTOP
ANYWHERE BECAUSE I HAD
DEFINITELY SEEN STUFF ON THAT
LAPTOP THAT WOULD HAVE JUSTIFIED
A PHONE CALL TO ZELENSKYY SAYING
WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE FORMER
ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE THERE
WAS A LOT OF MONEY EXCHANGING
HANDS, THERE WAS A LOT OF PAY
FOR PLAY.
WILL: YOUR NEXT MOVE IS A MOVE
THAT BRINGS THE STORY TO ALL OF
US.
>> AUGUST OF 020, I KNEW --
2020, I KNEW THE CLOCK WAS
TICKING, AND I FINALLY HAD
ENOUGH.
I DECIDE TO REACH OUT TO RUDY
GIULIANI’S OFFICE DIRECTLY.
WILL: AND THEN RUDY STARTS
REVEALING SOME OF THE
INFORMATION, AND IMMEDIATELY NOW
IT’S RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION.
>> YEP.
IT WAS SCARY, BECAUSE THE
ARTICLE CAME OUT AT 6:30 IN THE
MORNING, AND BY 9:30 IT WAS THE
LIKE THIS DIGITAL IRON CURTAIN
HAD DESCENDED, AND NOBODY WAS
ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT, NOBODY
COULD TWEET IT.
NEW YORK POST ACCOUNT WAS
BLOCKED, FACEBOOK WAS BLOCKING
IT.
AND THEN IT STARTED HAPPENING,
RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION, RUSSIAN
DISINFORMATION, AND IT WAS THE,
LIKE, THIS COORDINATED EFFORT BY
MAINSTREAM AND SOCIAL MEDIA ALL
AT THE SAME TIME, MY LIFE WAS
RUINED IN THAT PROCESS, BUT THE
NATION IS SUFFERING.
WILL: ARE YOU A RUSSIAN ASSET?
ARE YOU PERPETUATING RUSSIAN
DISINFORMATION?
>> I JUST THINK IT’S -- THE
IRONMY, LIKE, FOR THE ENTIRE
COLD WAR THERE HAVE BEEN MAC
ISAACS FLYING PLANES GOING AFTER
COMMUNISTS.
AND TO BE ACCUSED OF BEING ONE
OF THOSE COMMUNISTS OR EVEN
PLAYING A PART MANY THAT IS JUST
ABSURD TO ME.
WILL: YOU HAVE SUED POLITICO,
THE DAILY BEAST, CNN AND
CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF FOR
SLANDER.
EL ME ABOUT THAT LAWSUIT.
FROM WELL, I WENT AFTER TWITTER
ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THEY LABELED
ME A HACKER, AND I NEVER THOUGHT
I WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
DEFEND MY ACTIONS OR HOLD THOSE
ACCOUNTABLE AGAIN.
THAT’S ONE REASON WHY I SAT DOWN
AND I WROTE MY BOOK BECAUSE I
KNEW THAT IN THE COURT OF LAW I
WAS DESTROYED, BUT MAYBE I STILL
HAD A CHANCE IN THE COURT OF
PUBLIC OPINION.
I NOW HAVE A SECOND CHANCE TO