THAT WILL POSSIBLY COME IN A
SHORT TIME.
NEIL?
>> Neil: THANKS, MIKE.
TO HOWARD SAFER, THE FORMER NYPD
COMMISSIONER.
WE ALWAYS SEEM TO TALK ON THESE
TYPE OF EVENTS AND AFTERWARDS.
I FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT BUT I
LEARN A LOT FROM WHAT YOU TELL
US.
WHAT WE’RE LEARNING ABOUT
PIECING TOGETHER ABOUT THE
SHOOTER, HE WASN’T ON A LOT OF
PEOPLE’S RADAR BUT HE WAS ON
SOCIAL MEDIA RADAR.
HE POSTED SOME SCARY VIDEOS AND
POSTINGS AND THAT I WAS NOT
SHARED UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU PUT IT
RIGHT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
IT’S SOCIAL MEDIA THAT NEEDS TO
COOPERATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT
AND REPORT.
THEY HAVE ALGORITHMS THAT TELL
IF SOMEBODY DOES AND AGREE WITH
THEIR POLITICAL VIEWS.
THEY TAKE THAT PERSON OFF.
THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO
DETERMINE WHEN A YOUNG MAN, 18
TO 21 POSTS THESE VIOLENT
PAINTINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT
KILLING PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THERE’S RED FLAG LAWS.
BUT IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE DATA,
THEY’RE USELESS.
>> Neil: WE BELIEVE HE
PREPLANNED THIS ATTACK FOR
WEEKS, NOT JUST A LITTLE WHILE
BUT FOR WEEKS.
THAT HE USED THIS HIGH POWERED
WEAPON AND PURCHASED LEGALLY IN
ILLINOIS.
I’M WONDERING WHAT YOU MAKE OF
SOME OF THIS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME TO
LIGHT.
HE WAS QUIET, DIDN’T SEEM TO
HAVE ANY FRIENDS, KEPT TO
HIMSELF.
THAT IS ALMOST A CONSISTENT
DESCRIPTION OF THOSE WHO TO THIS
KIND OF THING.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT ALL?
>> WELL, WE DON’T NEED TO MAKE A
PROFILE.
WE’VE HAD 300 MASS SHOOTINGS.
THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE
COMMITTED BY MALES, 18 TO 21 WHO
ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT ARE
GENERALLY LOANERS.
IT’S A PROFILE THAT SHOULD BE
REPORTED.
THE PROBLEM IS HE PURCHASED A
GUN LEGALLY BECAUSE EVEN THE GUN
LAW THAT WAS JUST PASSED IS ONLY
GOING TO PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM
UNDER 21 FROM PURCHASING THEM.
IT’S NOT GOING TO PREVENT THE
350 MILLION GUNS THAT ARE OUT
THERE GETTING INTO THE HANDS OF
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COMMIT
VIOLENT ACTS.
WE HAVE TO DO REAL, REAL LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
THAT INCLUDES MAKING SURE SOCIAL
MEDIA REPORTS, MAKING SURE RED
FLAG LAWS HAVE ACCESS TO DATA,
MAKING SURE THAT SCHOOLS REPORT
RATHER THAN TRYING TO PUT
UNDERCOVERS DESPAIRATE ACTS BY
THESE INDIVIDUALS.
WE’RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE
ANYBODY IS A TARGET.
>> Neil: IN PLACES WHERE YOU
NORMALLY DON’T THINK OF BEING A
TARGET, RIGHT?
IN A PARADE FOR ONE THING.
COPENHAGEN OVER THE WEEKEND, WE
SAW A SHOOTING IN A MALL.
PEOPLE DON’T THINK OF SHOOTINGS
THERE AS THEY DIDN’T BEFORE A
FEW YEARS AGO, SHOOTINGS IN MOVIE THEATERS.
MOVIE THEATERS.
WE SAW THAT IN AURORA, COLORADO.
NOT THAT THESE EVENTS ARE
COMMON, BUT THE PLACES THEY’RE
OCCURRING USED TO BE NOT VERY
COMMON.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> WELL, THESE ARE SENSELESS
ACTS, BUT THEY’RE ON SOFT
TARGETS.
A PARADE IS A SOFT TARGET.
A SUPERMARKET IS A SOFT TARGET,
A WALMART IS A SOFT TARGET.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT
THESE INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING IF
WE ALL HAVE TO GIVE UP A LITTLE
BIT OF OUR PRIVACY TO DETERMINE
WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.
ONCE WE CATCH THEM, THAT’S A
FAILURE.
WE HAVE TO GET MORE DATA AND
MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THAT IT’S
IMPOSSIBLE POLITICALLY TO GET A
BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS.
CERTAINLY WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT
YOUNG PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THEM.
WE’RE NOT DOING IT.
>> IF THERE WAS NOTHING IN HIS
PATH, SAY SOME OF HIS RANTS ON
THE INTERNET TO PREVENT HIM FROM
GETTING SUCH WEAPONS AND IT’S
NOT PART OF THE LEGISLATION THAT
CONGRESS PASSED, SHOULD IT BE
ADDED IN THERE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A RED
FLAG LAW THAT SAYS IF YOU POST
ON SOCIAL MEDIA FOR IF YOU SEND
LETTERS OR VERBALIZE THAT YOU’RE
GOING TO HURT SOMEBODY WITH A
GUN, LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD GO
TO THIS PERSON’S HOUSE AND MAKE
SURE IF HE HAS ANY GUNS THAT
THEY’RE TAKEN AWAY AND PUT HIM
ON NOTICE THAT HE’S ON THE
RADAR.
THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT JUST
KILLED SEVEN PEOPLE SENSELESSLY.
MAKES ME ANGRY.
>> Neil: UNDERSTANDABLY, HOWARD