"And when it is said to them, "Follow.. " 2:170
".. what Allah has revealed,".. "
".. they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found[Alfina] our fathers doing.".. "
".. Even though their fathers.. "
".. understood nothing, nor were they guided?."
There is a similar verse.. "And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," " 31:21
".. they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found[Wajadna] our fathers.".. "
".. Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the Blaze?. "
And, in another verse:
"And when it is said to them, "Come to.. " 5:104
".. what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger.. "
".. they say, "Sufficient for us is that upon which we found[Wajadna].. "
".. our fathers." Even though their fathers knew nothing.. "
".. nor were they guided?."
These are the verses.
we have the word; [Alfina]..
and we have the word; [Wajadna].
The verb; [Alfa= found] wasn't found in the Noble Qur'an..
except when talking about a visible thing..
This is the verb; [Alfa= found].
about tangible matters..
For this reason, grammar experts say that it is not from the verbs of the hearts.
but, some of them say it is from the verbs of the hearts.
as; Wajadna and Alfina etc..
So, some of them say that [Alfa] is not from the verbs of the hearts.
it belongs to the verbs about a tangible visible matters..
Are the verbs of the hearts about intangible matters?
Yes.. the verbs about hearts..
they express feelings of the heart..
Actually, this is how it is presented in Qur'an.
i.e. with visible matters..
in all verses.. Yes..
here are the examples:
"Indeed they found[Alfaw] their fathers astray." 37:69
i.e. they saw them so, in front of them..
".. and they found[Alfiya] her husband at the door." 12:25
They saw him.. in the story of Yusuf, peace be upon him.
".. they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found[Alfina] our fathers doing.".. "
This is how, this verb.. in the verses.
Ok, and the verb; [Wajadna].
This verb.. in Qur'an..
and outside Qur'an..
it is used in all cases.. tangible or intangible.. visible or not!
For example..
".. he found[Wajada] with her provision.. " 3:37
this something visible.. seen..
".. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber.. "
".. and he found Wajada] near it a people.." 18:86
he saw them.
In the story of Dhul-Qarnayn.
".. but finds[Wajada] Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due.. "24:39
At Surah An-Nur..
correct.
"And We did not find[Wajadna] for most of them any covenant.. " 7:102
they always break their promises.[intangible].
".. and you will not find[Tajida] in the way of Allah any change."
".. and you will never find[Tajida] in the way of Allah any alteration." 35:43
"And whoever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allah.. " 4:110
".. will find[Yajid] Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
So, this verb covers a wider range..
Yes, it has more coverage..
because, it can be used also for intangible matters.
While the verb; [Alfa] is used with tangible matters only..
at least, in Qur'an..
but, outside Al-Qur'an.. there are different opinions..
Linguistically..
Yes, linguistically
This is what we have in Qur'an.
So, Is this a special way of using the verb.. Dr. Fadel?
Because, some experts do not consider it as belonging to the verbs of hearts..
some experts of grammar.. they say it is not from the verbs of hearts, in the first place.
Was that because this is how it is used in Qur'an?
No, No, No.
This is a grammatical rule..
Some, grammar experts say that.. about the verb [Alfa].
But, for them, there is no problem with the verb [Wajada].
It can be used in intangible [ of hearts] and in tangible matters..
the materialistic things.
About the verb [Alfa], they have different opinions.
Some of them say it is from the verbs of the hearts..
Others say that; It is not from the verbs of the hearts.
But, in Qur'an, it was not mentioned with matters of the hearts.. but it was used with tangible materialistic things only.
What can we understand from this?
what makes the expression different.. by using this arrangement?
If the person does not believe, except in visible palpable matters..
this means, he is less knowledgeable.. less informed.. less educated..
compared to a person who is more aware.
isn't it?
Correct!
He is less..
Certainly..
So, When He uses the expression; ".. which we found[Alfina] our fathers doing.".. "
this expression is vituperating them, more.
It is insulting them.. their fathers..
The dishonor is more by using this verb, rather than by using the verb; [Wajadna]
Ask me; How?
How? I didn't understand this.. really!
He uses the verb; [Alfa]..
when He is to dishonor their fathers..
more severely..
more than the case..
from another levels of dishonoring.
Dispraise has levels..
a case might be severer than the other..
Isn't it?
True!
In the most severe case, He uses the verb; [Alfa]..
It has a stronger effect in vilifying..
e.g. saying: [Alfina] their fathers..
What other verses we have here..
to show the severity of dishonoring, with the use of the verb; [Alfa]
I'll show you..
"And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed".. " 2:170
".. they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found[Alfina] our fathers doing.".. "
".. Even though their fathers understood nothing.. "
".. nor were they guided?. "
What did He say, that which they did not have?
the sanity!
correct!
they understand nothing.
Isn't it?
True.
Good.
"And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allah has revealed and to the Messenger".. " 5:104
".. they say, "Sufficient for us is that upon which we found[Wajdna] our fathers.".. "
Even though their fathers knew nothing, nor were they guided?
What did He say, that which they did not have?
the knowledge.
Which is severer, to deny that a person has mind..
saying; you lack sanity..
or deny him knowing.. saying; You do not know!
To deny his sanity is much severer, Of course!
So, he used the word; [Alfa] to deny that they have minds.
they did not have sanity.
Good.
But, there.. He denied that they have the knowledge.
The person.. with mind.. he might learn.. know..
But, the mentally deficient person..
It is impossible to learn!
Again, notice in the other verse..
There is a similar verse.. "And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," " 31:21
".. they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found[Wajadna] our fathers.".. "
"Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the Blaze?"
Does Satan invite the person who is having a brain..?
or the person who is mentally deficient?
He invites the mentally healthy person.
Actually, the mentally challenged person..
is not requested to follow the divine rules[Takleef]..
True.
he is not to be held accountable..
So, as he is inviting them, this means that they are having sound minds..
Isn't it?
True..
This is it..
Right, You did very well.
Good.
So, He uses the word[Alfa] to rebuke.. more..
by denying the presence of the mind.
Did people at Jahiliah, knew these uses..
for [Alfa] and [Wajada]?
and the differences that you've told us now..
Definitely, they've used the word[ Alfa]..
in situations..
that are materialistic.. in tangible matters
That's why the experts in grammar said..
it is not a verb belonging to the verbs of hearts.
Subhan Allah!
Dr. Fadel, each word in Qur'an requires thorough studying..
and a rich knowledge.
It doesn't need just..
an opinion..
an impression.. of the reader..
or an impression of the person reflecting upon the Noble Qur'an.
There are connections.. leading links in the text of the verse itself..
For sure, this would need knowledge.. great knowledge!
definitely, This work is based on knowledge..
For that.. they say..
The holders of the Qur'an Sciences..
They mention that there are prerequisites..
for the person who would like to enter this branch of Science.
It has prerequisites..
Not anyone can come saying; I will explain Al-Qur'an.. simply like this!
No, No, How could he say that?!
Subhan Allah.. the Great..
There are numerous prerequisites.. before they qualify.