- So I am in my parent's bedroom.
- I'm at my little house in Los Angeles.
Got my girlfriend and my cat and it's going great.
- I'm also, I live with my girlfriend and a cat, Nicole.
And I'm in our bedroom currently, sitting on the bed.
- My first proper memory of the song is,
we were demoing it at my house on my computer,
and we had come up with these chords.
It was the end of 2018, so it's definitely,
you know we'd been thinking about it
and working on it for the past year and a half.
- The song felt like it had more of,
I guess sort of an R&B approach to it in a way.
The beat and the chords and the bass
that we were putting on it felt different
from anything we had done.
And it felt closer to the kind of music
that I listen to on a regular basis.
So I was like, I'm not gonna try to think
too much about the lyrics.
I'm gonna write those separately and then
find a way to fill in the gaps.
- And then I came up with the bass line
over the thing with the bump, bump, ba da da, bump.
Bump, bump, da da da da.
I thought it was too simple at first,
but then I was like, actually it's kind of like
booming, whatever you would call it.
- It is a switch, in that you don't have to
tell me anything for me to know what's going on.
Then, too, you need to say all these things to me.
I think that it's sort of continuing this idea
that this person is trying to pry information
out of their significant other.
Like, you're being very closed off.
I see it in your face that there's something going on,
and you're still not saying anything.
It kinda takes a turn in that, maybe this person
is just sort of prying for information
and creating problems that don't necessarily exist,
and sort of overthinking everything.
And every slight little change in their
significant other's mood or whatever,
can just sort of bubble up their insecurities or something.
- The narrator, I feel like, in the chorus
is accepting responsibility of probably
behaving or thinking irrationally,
and trying to seek out problems that don't exist.
It comes from this feeling of, I love you so much
and I love this so much.
Is it too good to be true?
Am I crazy in thinking this is actually real?
It's accepting responsibility and allowing himself
to step back and just say, if we go to sleep
I know we can wake up, get up,
and try to feel okay again.
'Cause I just caused this issue for really no reason.
And he's asking the question of, can we
just get up and feel better in the morning?
The reason there's the slightest difference
on the final tags of the chorus, at the very end
of the song, instead of can we get up,
it's we can get up and try to feel okay again.
Which is just a slight difference,
but it's just the assuredness of that.
Instead of asking the question, it's
like no, we can, I know we can, you know we can.
I feel like it was just a more final,
optimistic and positive way to end the song with.
- I don't know, I think it's just human nature
just to doubt certain things, especially when
emotions are involved and feelings are involved.
So I feel like whenever someone says anything to you,
you always take it with a grain of salt
because you don't wanna get hurt in the end.
Let's say we're in a conversation or, you know,
we're talking about feelings,
and I can get kind of frantic or something
when it comes to really emotional conversations
in a relationship.
I just relate to that line because I can imagine
me saying stuff and I'm kind of spiraling,
just kind of spiraling and spiraling and spiraling.
And this person's like giving me these, you know?
Like what are you doing?
Then I'm just (laughs) and I'm just like,
you know, you're right, you're right.
So I take it like this person's kind of like
overworking themselves and then it comes to the point
where you see the person standing there,
or sitting there, whatever they're doing,
doing yoga, just looking at you, and you realize
that you're overthinking it.
It's like, no, just come here, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
So I like how it wraps up that verse
the same way the first one does,
where it's like, I'm overthinking it, I'm sorry.
The bridge is definitely the most
internal dialogue part of the song.
It's this narrator, I guess Dylan in this case,
sort of talking to himself.
So you can kind of look at that voice change,
that high voice that doubles the regular take,
as sort of like the little voice inside Dylan's head.
Like sort of what he's saying to himself
about the situation,
and what he's trying to remind himself of.
Or what the narrator's trying to remind themself of
when they're feeling these sort of confused,
frustrated feelings.
I don't want to compare us to Kendrick Lamar
because Kendrick Lamar is the GOAT.
But I always think of that, there's one song
where he's like.
♪ Now open your mind up and listen be like ♪
Whatever that song is, the Kendrick song.
But it's sort of the same thing where it's like
him talking to himself, which I think
is an interesting perspective for sure.
- Yeah, the bridge is definitely shifting
any sort of blame on oneself and just
letting it all go.