♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,
EVERYBODY.
LET'S SAY HELLO TO OUR FRIEND MR. JON BATISTE.
JON, CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS DAY?
>> Jon: WOW.
WE ARE REALLY SEEING AN UNPRECEDENTED TIME.
2020 IS TAKING THE CAKE.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
>> Stephen: JON, WILL YOU JOIN ME IN SAYING A PRAYER FOR THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE FIRST LADY?
>> Jon: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
PRAY FOR THEIR HEALTH AND HOPE THEY OVERCOME THIS.
>> Stephen: RIGHT.
BECAUSE REGARDLESS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT DONALD TRUMP-- AND I HAVE
NOT BEEN VAGUE ABOUT THAT-- IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE THE HUMANITY OF
THIS MOMENT AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR COUNTRY FOR THE
PRESIDENT TO BE HEALTHY.
>> Jon: ABSOLUTELY.
SUFFERING IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER, AND THE RAMIFICATIONS
OF THIS ARE MAJOR SO WE PRAY FOR THE BEST.
>> Stephen: JON BATISTE, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, JON.
>> Jon: ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU, STEPHEN.
>> Stephen: MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT IS A PROFESSOR OF
MEDICINE AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY, A PHYSICIAN AT N.Y.U. LANGONE,
AND THE CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT FOR CBS NEWS.
HERE TO BREAK DOWN THE LATEST NEWS OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE,
PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," DR. JON LAPOOK.
DR. LaPOOK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I KNOW HOW BUSY YOU MUST BE.
>> I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE, TEACHEN.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.
>> Stephen: WELL, IT IS-- IT IS TRULY TROUBLING TO SEE THE
PRESIDENT TAKEN OFF TO THE HOSPITAL.
>> WHAT A SOBERING MOMENT IN TIME, STEPHEN.
IT REALLY IS.
AND IT-- AND IT WAS UPSETTING TO SEE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES WITH COVID-19, AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN
THE COVID WARDS IN APRIL AT N.Y.U. LANGONE, WHERE I'M A
PROFESSOR, AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CAN THE FIRST WEEK, THEY
CAN BE QUITE STABLE, BUT THEN IN THAT SECOND WEEK, THEY CAN TAKE
A TURN FOR THE WORSE.
AND I SUSPECT THAT'S WHY THEY WANT HIM UNDER CLOSE OBSERVATION
AT THE MEDICAL CENTER THERE.
>> Stephen: WELL, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE HOPING FOR THE PRESIDENT
AND THE FIRST LADY TO FULLY RECOVER.
NOW THAT HE IS AT WALTER REED, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE
SEVERITY OF HIS CONDITION, IN ANYTHING?
>> YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS
SOME MILD SYMPTOMS AND A LOW-GRADE FEVER.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A LOW-GRADE FEVER IS, EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE A LOW-GRADE FEVER?
>> YOU KNOW, RIGHT, WE KNOW FEVER, COUGH, THE DANGEROUS ONE
IS SHORTNESS OF BREATH.
BUT WE SAW HIM FOR A FEW SECONDS TALKING.
HE GAVE A TWEET, A VIDEO TWEET, AND HE LOOKED TO ME LIKE HE DID
NOT HAVE SHORTNESS OF BREATH, LIKE HE DID NOT HAVE LABORED
BREATHING AND HE WALKED UP THE STAIRTO THE HELICOPTER AND HE
GAVE THE BAN STERK THE RAIL, ABOUT THREE QUICK TAPS.
THAT WAS SORT OF A GOOD SIGN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE IS OVER 60-- RIGHT, HE'S 74, WHICH IS A RISK
FACTOR.
HE'S OBESE, TECHNICALLY, BY THE LAST NUMBERS WE HAVE.
AND IN THE UNITED STATES MORTALITY FROM COVID-19, PEOPLE
OVER THE AGE OF 65, IS 15%, 1, 5, PERCENT.
THE ODDS ARE STATISTICALLY THAT HE SHOULD GET BETTER, ESPECIALLY
HE'S UNDER SUCH CLOSE OBSERVATION AND CARE.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT'S PREDICTABLE ABOUT CORONAVIRUS IS
THAT IT'S UNPREDICTABLE.
>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENTA PHYSICIAN SAID HE RECEIVED
SOMETHING CALLED A POLYCLONAL ANTIBODY COCKTAIL TREATMENT.
WHAT IS THAT FOR THE LAY MAN?
>> I THINK THIS WAS A MISSTATEMENT.
IT'S MONCLONAL ANTIBODY.
AND YOU I TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT ANTIBODIES, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN
INFECTION THEY HAVE ALL OF THESE ANTIBODIES IN THEIR BLOOD
STREAM, AND THAT'S CALLED CONVALESCENT PLASMA.
IN THE THERE IS DIFFERENT ANTIBODIES THAT DON'T ATTACK
THAT WAY TO OTHER THINGS, OTHER ORGANISMS IN YOUR BODY.
THE MONCLANL ANTIBODY IS AN EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT.
I SHOULD SAY THAT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN TO BE SAFE.
IT IS A TECHNOLOGICAL TOUR DE FORCE IN THE LAB.
THEY MAKE ANTIBODIES DIRECTLY SOLELY TO THE CORONAVIRUS, THE
CROWN, IT JUST ATTACHES TO THAT PART OF THE CROWN WHICH IS
NECESSARY FOR THE VIRUS TO ATTACK YOU.
IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC TREATMENT.
THERE IS SOME PRELIMINARY DATA THAT IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S
SAFE.
IT MIGHT BE EFFECTIVE.
BUT, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HIS CONDITION TO KNOW WHAT
WAS THE RISK-BENEFIT DECISION THERE?
WHY DID THEY MAKE THAT DECISION?
WAS IT-- QUOTE, UNQUOTE-- AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
IT'S AN EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, I THINK.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE SO LITTLE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT'S HEALTH IN GENERAL, DON'T WE?
WE KNOW HE WENT TO WALTER REED WAS IT 2018 OR EARLY '19?
>> YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR.
>> Stephen: LAST YEAR, WHO WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A REALLY
GOOD ANSWER AS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED.
DO WE AT THIS MOMENT KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT'S COMORBIDITIES
MAY BE?
>> YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING FOR SURE.
AND THIS-- YOU KNOW, THIS BRINGS UP THE WHOLE POINT OF
TRANSPARENCY.
ONE OF THE VERY FIRST RULES OF PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS MANAGEMENT,
STEPHEN IS TO BE TRANSPARENT TO, JUST TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE
TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
AND PARADOXICALLY, IF YOU'RE HONEST WITH PEOPLE, IF YOU LEVEL
WITH THEM, AND THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE LEVELING WITH THEM, EVEN
IF THE NEWS IS WORRISOME, THE WHOLE PROCESS IS IN AND OF
ITSELF REASSURING.
SO YOU JUST GOT TO JUST TELL THE-- TELL IT AS IT IS.
PEOPLE ARE GROWN-UPS IN THE UNITED STATES-- WELL, A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE.
( LAUGHS ) ESPECIALLY THE GROWN-UPS.
BUT I THINK YOU GOTTA BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE AND JUST TELL THEM
THE FACT S.
>> Stephen: WELL, THE DEBATE ON TUESDAY WAS AT CASE WESTERN
AND CLEVELAND CLINIC.
AND THE CLEVELAND OFFICIALS SAY THAT THEY'RE PRESENTLY AWARE OF
11 POSITIVE CASES RELATED TO THE SETUP AND PLANNING OF TUESDAY'S
DEBATE.
BIDEN, AND DR. BIDEN, JILL BIDEN, TESTED NEGATIVE TODAY.
ARE THEY IN THE CLEAR?
STLOO A CHANCE WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET?
>> I LOVE THAT QUESTION.
THE QUICK ANSWER IS THEY ARE NOT IN THE CLEAR YET.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
AND REMEMBER LAST TIME WE SPENT ALL THAT TIME EXPLAINING THE
BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION IN THE PANDEMIC IN MY EXPERIENCE IS THE
2- TO 14-DAY INCUBATION PERIOD AND IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY
RELEVANT RIGHT HERE.
LET'S GO OVER IT AGAIN.
IF I GET INFECTED TODAY-- INFECTED-- I CAN BE INFECTIOUS,
ABLE TO INFECT SOMEBODY ELSE ANYWHERE FROM 2-14 DAYS LATER.
THAT MEANS I COULD GET TESTED DAY THREE BE NEGATIVE, DAY FOUR,
BE NEGATIVE, ANYWHERE UP TO DAY 14, AND AT ANY MOMENT I COULD GO
FROM TESTING NEGATIVE TO TESTING POSITIVE AND THEN INFECTING
SOMEBODY ELSE, EVEN WITHOUT SYMPTOPS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT ANYBODY IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH
ANYBODY WHO IS INFECTED THAT THEY GET TESTED TO SEE IF THEY
MAY BE SPREAD IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND THAT THEY GO INTO
QUARANTINE.
>> Stephen: SO THE QUARANTINE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE PEOPLE
THAT HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT NOT ONLY WITH HOPE HICKS BUT THE
PRESIDENT LAST NEW DAYS-- MIKE PENCE, BILL BARR, ALEX AZAR,
KAYLEIGH McENANY.
SHOULD THEY BE IN QUARANTINE RIGHT NOW, REGARDLESS OF THEIR
TESTS?
>> YOU KNOW, IT DEPEND WHETHER THEY WERE FELT TO BE IN CLOSE
CONTACT, AND THAT'S UP FOR SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF JUDGMENT
CALL.
SUPPOSEDLY IT MEANS WITHIN SEX FEET FOR 15 MINUTES.
THERE'S NO STRICT RULE ABOUT THAT.
BUT IF THEY WERE IN CLOSE CONTACT, THEN THEY REALLY SHOULD
BE TESTED TO SEE IF THEY-- THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE INFECTING
SOMEBODY ELSE, AND THEN THEY SHOULD GO INTO QUARANTINE.
THERE'S CONFUSION ABOUT THE TERMS.
IF YOU'RE INFECTED YOU GO INTO ISOLATION.
IF YOU ARE EXPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO IS INFECTED, YOU GO INTO
QUARANTINE.
>> Stephen: OKAY, OKAY.
AS A DOCTOR, I'M SURE YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF PATIENT OVERS THE YEARS
WHO DO NOT TAKE YOUR INSTRUCTIONS.
>> A COUPLE.
>> Stephen: AND-- AND A LOT OF AMERICANS AREN'T TAKING MASKS OR
SOCIAL DISTANCING SERIOUSLY.
DO YOU THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEPOLITICIZE
THE TEACHING OVER HOW TO KEEP COVID FROM SPREADING HERE, TO
TAKE MASKS AWAY FROM LEFT-RIGHT, REPUBLICAN-DEMOCRAT, AND JUST
MAKE IT THE RIGHT PRESCRIPTION?
>> YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, STEPHEN, I DO THINK IT'S A POTENTIAL
TEACHING MOMENT.
CLEARLY, MASKS AND-- WHETHER YOU WEAR THEM OR NOT-- HAS BEEN
POLITICIZED FOR WHATEVER REASON.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT WE'VE HAD MIXED MESSAGES ON IT.
IT'S ALSO VERY CLEAR THAT MASKS ARE PART OF THE ARMAMENTITARIUM
TO HELP PROTECT US.
NOTHING IS 100%.
YOU WEAR MASKS.
YOU WASH YOUR HANDS.
YOU HAVE THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING.
YOU TRY TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY DENSE
PEOPLE.
OTDOORS IS SAFER THAN INDOORED DOORS.
IF YOU'RE INDOORS, OPEN A WINDOW, HAVE BETTER VENTILATION,
MAYBE AN AIR PURIFIER.
ALL OF THESE THINGS WORK IN CONCERT TOGETHER.
NOT ONE THING-- EVEN THE VACCINE WHEN IT COMES IS NOT GOING TO BE
100% EFFECTIVE, SO YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
>> Stephen: DOCTOR, WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
STICK AROUND EVERYBODY, WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK
DR. LaPOOK ABOUT WHETHER THE PRESIDENT SHOULD DO THE NEXT
DEBATE.
STICK AROUND.