the dark side and the sith are evil the jedi and the light are good whatever else happens in the
story on the very basic fundamental level that is star wars we can pretty much sum it down to good
verse evil but do the sith consider themselves evil some would probably consider themselves
pragmatic realists that believe evil acts are necessary for the greater good kind of like
thanos which for a sith is pretty much the same thing power is always a greater good though of
course there are also those sith that know they are evil but embrace that about themselves as
the suffering of others only strengthens their connection to the dark side what about the jedi
do they consider themselves to be good and noble i would say some do for sure they are peacekeepers
and champions of justice after all but justice legal justice that is isn't necessarily always
moral justice though the jedi strive for peace and non-violence they are not the dalai lama or gandhi
with glowing sticks in space jedi are the best trained and most lethal warriors in the galaxy
even their children are more dangerous than your standard mercenary admittedly
this is legends now but anakin skywalker had his first kill just a few years after the events of
episode 1. probably not a unique experience for a padawan perhaps except for the jedi that were
placed in the service core most of those at one point or another had to kill someone or someone's
at an early age now granted their victims were not the pillar of galactic society and more lives
were probably saved from their ideology of you know we gotta remove this guy yet killing at the
same time isn't noble it isn't peace so could it be called justice it depends on who you ask
regardless of justifications killing is never good so are the jedi then good or bad or do they merely
just choose when well mace windu has his own view on this which i'm going to share with you today
this comes of course from matthew stover's shatter point novel mace has returned to his homeworld of
harun kal in search of his former apprentice depa billaba who he fears might have turned to the dark
side a native korun named nick rostu along with other kirunal in his group are trying to escort
mace to the fallen jedi who awaits her former master deep within the darkness of the planet's
savage jungle despite my determination to hold myself unbiased until i could see her speak with
her feel her essence in the force despite my resolve to ask nothing and hear nothing despite
all my years of self-discipline and self-control the heart has power that no discipline can answer
so i asked him i told him of depa's words of the data wafer how she called herself the darkness in
the jungle and how she said that she had finally gone sane how i fear that in fact she has fallen
to the dark and is irretrievably mad and nick crazy he said with a laugh you're the one who's
crazy if she was crazy nobody'd follow her would they but when i asked if he meant she was alright
he responded that depends on what you mean by all right i need to know if you've seen her act from
anger or fear i need to know if she uses the force for her own personal gratification for gain or
for revenge i need to know how much hold the dark side has on her you don't have to worry about that
he told me i've never met someone kinder or more caring than master billaba she's not evil
i don't think she could be this isn't about good and evil i told him this is about the fundamental
nature of the force itself jedi are not moralists that's a common misperception we are fundamentally
pragmatic the jedi is altruistic less because to be so is good than because to be so is safe to use
the force for personal ends is dangerous this is the trap that can snare even the most good
kind caring jedi it leads to what we call the dark side power to do good eventually becomes
just power naked force an end in itself it is a form of madness to which jedi are peculiarly
susceptible nick answered this with a shrug who knows the real reasons why anybody does anything
this was not a comforting response and the rest of what he told me was worse so for mace the jedi
aren't good but they're pragmatic which as i said i think is also how some sith see themselves the
jedi are not altruistic to be good instead they're altruistic to be safe do you agree with that would
yoda have the same view obi-wan anakin shakti it also appears that mace even thinks of the
dark side as some sort of insanity if it is then are the sith responsible for their own actions
or are they as much victims of the dark side as though they unleash on it also appears that
mace even thinks of the dark side as some sort of insanity if it is then are the sith responsible
for their own actions or are they as much victims of the dark side as those they unleash it on this
is a very revolutionary way of thinking are sith maybe just victims of the dark side i thought it
was interesting that he said jedi were peculiarly susceptible to the dark side can that be true
i suppose the more you study and grow stronger in the force the closer to the dangers of the
dark side you get given how many times that the jedi have had members of their own fall to the
dark side and become sith lords in their thousands upon thousands of years long history perhaps the
best way they could have defeated their dark counterparts would have been to put a stop to
their own order if the jedi refused to teach the force ever again and packed up their robes sabres
and temples and just ended on purpose would that have lessened the impact of the sith as we know
it takes two to tango personally i don't think so i think the sith would have just continued to be
the sith because their ideologies are their own and the problem in the galaxy that exists is that
the jedi don't like their ideologies because they affect everyone else negatively for their
own greater good but we can also argue does less jedi equal less sith hope you have an awesome day
thanks for watching this video see you in the next one until then remember the force will be with you
always hey everyone and welcome to another series where we're gonna be covering some of the books
and today's book is going to be chatterpoint now this is a book all about mace windu and it takes
place between episode 2 and episode 3. there's tons of really interesting stuff in here so let's
get started with today's video which is going to be about yoda's first lesson from mace windu now
i'm going to first start off by saying perhaps anakin's greatest weakness and strength was the
same thing his attachment towards those that he loved now attachment is a very powerful emotion
that can form wonderful positive bonds but if it becomes too intense it can lead to obsession
and if someone can wield the force that can very quickly become especially dangerous as we all know
with where it took him therefore attachment can easily become obsession and obsession can easily
turn to madness and from there we can say you'll end up in the dark side so because of how dark
and destructive the consequences of attachment can be it is the very first lesson the jedi attempt to
teach their infant younglings including baby mace windu the following is an excerpt from matthew
stover's legends book star wars shatterpoint mace windu has returned to the planet of his origin
harun kal in his search for his former student now this is a jedi master who may have fallen to the
dark side on her last mission to his home world as he returns to harun kal for the third time in his
life counting when he was born mae struggles with his attachment towards his former apprentice so
he begins to think back to the very first lesson that yoda taught him let's read the excerpt and
then we can talk about it the sole planet of the al-har system harun kal is the name given to it in
the language of the indigenous human population the kurunai it translates to basic as above the
clouds from space the world appears to be oceanic with only a few green topped islands rising from
a restless multicolored sea but this is deceptive the sea that these islands punctuate is not liquid
but an ocean of heavier than air toxic gases which plume endlessly from the planet's innumerable
active volcanoes only on the mountaintops and the high plateaus can oxygen breathing life survive
and not on many of these unless they rise far above the cloud sea they are vulnerable to roon
cal's unpredictable winds especially during cal's brief winter when the thakis bakal the
downstorm blows the wind can whip the thick cloud sea high enough to scour low lands free of oxygen
breathers within hours its capital pelek ba is located on the seoul inhabitant land mass
the plateau known as the karunal highland and is the largest permanent settlement on this primarily
jungle covered planet the indigenous humans live in small seminomatic tribal groups called gauche
and avoid the settlements which are maintained by off-worlders of a wide variety of species
the kurunai lump all off-worlders and settled folk under the somewhat contemptuous category
of balawi or in other words down folk there's a long history of unorganized local conflicts
this doesn't help i can't fit what i know of roon cal into a guidebook description too much of what
i know is the color of the sun flash and the smell of the wind off grandfather's shoulder the silken
ripple of a grassers undercoat through my fingers the hot fierce sting of an ak dog's force touch
i was born on haroon cow far back in the highland i am a full-blooded koroon a hundred generations
of my ancestors breathed that air and drank that water ate the fruit of that soil and were buried
deep within it i've returned only once 35 standard years ago but i have carried that world with me
the feel of it the power of its storms the upswelling tangle of its jungles the thunder
of its peaks but it is not home home is coruscant home is the jedi temple i have no recollection of
my infancy among the kurunai my earliest memories of yoda's kindly smile and enormous gentle eyes
close above me it is still vivid i don't know how old i might have been but i am certain i could not
walk perhaps i was too young to even stand in memory i can see my plump infant's hands reaching
up to tug at the white strangles of hair above yoda's ears i recall squalling shrieking like a
wounded glow bat as yoda prefers to describe it as some kind of toy a rattle it might have been
bobbed in the air just beyond my grasp i recall how no amount of shouting screaming howling or
tears could draw that rattle one millimeter closer to my tiny fist and i recall the instant i first
reached out for the toy without using my hands how i could feel it hanging there and i could feel how
yoda's mind supported it and a whisper of the force began to hum in my ears the next lesson
yoda had come to take the rattle away and i with my infant's instinctive selfishness had refused to
release it holding on with both my hands and all i could summon of the force the rattle broke to
my infant mind a tragedy like the end of a world for that had been yoda's way of introducing the
jedi law of non-attachment holding too tightly to what we love will destroy it and break our
hearts as well so this is pretty cool heartbreak is the jedi's first lesson the jedi tried to
condition their younglings from infancy to embrace non-attachment and it seems kind of mean actually
he's kind of like taunting this toy in front of baby mace windu and then all of a sudden it
breaks and poor baby mace was probably crying now perhaps they're hoping if they learn this
lesson so young it'll stick on some subconscious level or something i don't know how you guys feel
about this but i think the jedi were a little bit too attached to the idea of non-attachment
instead they should have encouraged it but then learned to meditate and think calmly during
heartbreak or moments of fear for those you love like how anakin was supposed to bring balance to
the force the jedi could have found a balance between non-attachment and crazy obsession but
i feel like they were so afraid of anything that might make them have some sort of emotion outside
of just being plain yogurt that they just sort of became these robotic dogs and in the end they were
just adhering to what the senate was telling them to do for the republic for democracy but anyways
we know only a sith deals in absolutes but in some ways it seems like jedi kind of deal in absolutes
too they really think there's only one way to do something when really there isn't i think qui-gon
was a revolutionary jedi and i even think dooku was as well but of course he went kind of crazy
and went to the dark side fully whereas qui-gon stayed in the light but he listened more to the
force he wasn't persuaded and swayed so much like the jedi were to follow the cries of the republic
may said they were peacekeepers but in actuality they really were soldiers which is something that
ahsoka comes to learn as to how civilians view the jedi in clone wars season 7. and now i know trace
and rafa weren't the most popular amongst you guys and hey they were kind of boring even when
i was watching it but it did show you some things that we weren't able to see otherwise with how the
civilians how the public viewed the jedi and this really played into how anakin was starting to view
them too and it really allowed me and helped me to understand exactly where he was coming from
i mean it's not like i didn't already but it just helped me even more so what are you guys thoughts
about this please let me know in the comments below do you think the jedi were just a bit
too attached to the idea of non-attachment and this is a bit of a discourse do you think they
should have allowed anakin to actually go back and find his mother because he was going to do
it anyways and look what happened they could have avoided that whole thing if they just
somewhat believed in attachment a little bit and how to deal with it i think qui-gon would
have been the father that anakin needed but then again this video is about mace windu and
yoda's teachings but as always it leads us into a different conversation and that's the whole fun
of it hope you have an awesome day see in the next one until then remember the force will be with you
always your destiny
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