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religion on city
and intelligence in two thousand eight intelligence region researcher helmet
night aboard examine whether i_q_ relates to religious denomination
and income using a number of different representative data including from the
national longitudinal study of youth which includes intelligence test based
on st
uh... they were also will have been a number of other towns
stunning cluding one that was co-authored by not aboard and richard
lynn
who's an emeritus professor of psychology at the university of pollster
and really the idea is let's look at whether there's a correlation
and as a second step what the causation is
between
how religious someone is
and their intelligence
this is obviously very controversial research
there are a couple of different
images that i want to show you one image here
is from this study looking at on a perv country bases i_q_ versus percentage of
people not believing in god and as you'll see the uh...
closer that we are to the left
though more religious the country is less alot more people believe in god
towards the laughing as you can see here
those are typically ranked all along the lower i_q_ ranges going all the way up
to about ninety to ninety three
and as we look at the countries where more and more people don't believe in
god
you'll see that the average i_q_
is significantly higher
on the whole and and when we clearly see the trend line here
let me put up another picture for you
the next picture i'm going to put up is a compilation graph it has been done
it's very it's a big image well move it around here
which ranks
states from most religious to least religious okay
that information comes from a gallup poll which asked people
how important is religion to you at the very bottom of the list is vermont which
people have self-identified
as religion is least important to me and at the very top of the list is the most
religious we have mississippi
followed by alabama south carolina
tennessee arkansas and louisiana
that connects column over
is an average i_q_ an average i_q_
is sourced from i'd believe it's a couple of different studies
including the ones that are referenced that top fifty states dot com the
average ice cube i_q_ score as well as census information is is where this is
all compiled from is as you can see louis
if we look at the average i_q_ in the states that are most religious
it is much much lower than if we scroll to the bottom of this document and look
at the states where people are least religion eric
in this not much much more
well you have to remember lou is we're talking about i_q_ and so so many people
in the average i_q_ is a hundred
you're not going to see a huge number deviation but even one i_q_ point
difference than average
they've taken into consideration a huge amount of people
that's true but this is still
this is still pretty costs will put it in the highest being one oh four and
then we can still see the very states here
uh... in the middle of the spectrum without action is one of three yes but i
completely disagree with you if if you look at the trend line here
you're going to see that that there is a very significant trend here again what i
can point difference is a big difference the difference between an average state
i go i i i agree that the trend does spoken in favor of
less religious people
being less intelligent bar and has resided i agree with that we do have to
look at here
is poverty and if you look at the most religious lowest i_q_ state which is
called number three here
you will see that mississippi alabama south carolina tennessee these dates on
the red when you look at the percentage poverty and if you look at the bottom of
this crap you will see a very significant trend away from that where
you see a lot less poverty in the states that are both
less religious
and have higher i_q_'s okay so what we have to look at here we have to look at
correlation verses causation here and there is really and number of different
things here that could be playing a factor
um... it's it's possible that poverty both within the united states
or if we look more broadly at the macro level at among countries
that poverty
leans people
to be more religious as a
beacon of hope so to speak so that it is not actually
that the being more religious is correlated with lack of intelligence in
any or or or that it's causing anyway
uh... but rather that lack of access to education and resources
is giving people
religion and something that they can rely on
does that make sense
or they're just not uh...
not being taught
uh... not learning about alternatives to religion that's part to rats alternative
number two and doctor david hartman of like the london metropolitan university
says it's very difficult to conduct true experiments
that would export kate a cafe causal causal relationship between i_q_ and
religious belief
because of a lot of those reasons on the other hand she does ad
that studies do correlate i_q_ with being willing or able to question
believes
and you're absolutely right that if people are atop a certain way about
religion
and they don't really have the resources of the means to question those beliefs
that can correlate
to lower i_q_
uh... the other thing here is that researchers have found evidence in and
harvard university study
that people believe in god more
when the using intuitive thinking methods rather than methods that are dot
the critical thinking or rigorous thinking
and of course that is going to come with
resources and money right so while the the correlation is clear
the causation is not as clear right now
so ultimately
it's inconclusive well
the extent to an extent having inclusive what what the causation is inconclusive
what we can say from this is what many a fierce are saying
which is
stupid people go to religion religion makes you stupid
stupidity drives you to religion pisses me off at some point is just simply it's
not that simple
exactly right
what's your dot on this type of study time analgesic
very anxious to get in here
i mean uh... i greet not conclusive
from the study but i'll say that
uh...
panel but most of the four
uh... and eighty s
more often than not just like any i'm not gonna call a few summer love
religion because it's it is in a religion decidedly stuff
i don't know if it's i would say it's a set of beliefs i would say it's a set of
police in the same way that
scientific
conclusions are believed to know kent they're really beliefs are based on you
know what we know
isn't outlook i don't know exits and it's okay to go ahead of conclusion
business conclusions i would say that the people who are drawn for that or
critical thinkers
are by and large smarter people and and i would think that
if he is a missed something that's responding
to a tradition
uh... really a tradition in itself except in in the idea of free thinking
people who are thinking outside the box
no matter i don't finish in is generally critical thinkers and smarter people and
their are other studies louis which do correlate individual religions verses
i_q_
and eighty s
are at the top followed by a na sticks and i think uh... second two that were
uh... technically as people who have no religion
and and then second too that uh... i believe was uh...
was maybe maybe jews
and sentation
religions happily i don't write or call them exactly
so this is an interesting one send me your thoughts on it david david dot com
dot condo that it will cause a lot of controversy but it's uh... the exhibit
topic i
definitely we should we should uh...
looking to a bar and uh...
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