OKAY, BAD NEWS IF YOU ARE AN AMY SCHUMER FAN LIKE MYSELF.
HER SHOW WILL ACTUALLY NOT BE RETURNING FOR A FIFTH SEASON,
SHE IS INSTEAD TAKING TIME TO FOCUS ON HER STAND UP, AND
HER BOOK, "THE GIRL WITH THE LOWER BACK TATTOO."
THIS HAPPENS AFTER AMY SCHUMER WAS ON THE NEWS ñ FOUR AND X
WRITER OF HER SHOW KURTZ MAC ñ KURT METZGER FOR HIS COMMENTS
DEFENDING ANOTHER FORMER COMMENT ñ ANOTHER FORMER COMIC.
HERE IS HIS POST.
"HE IS A RACIST, ñ HE IS A RAPIST, I KNOW BECAUSE ALL WOMEN
SAID AND THAT'S ALL I NEED.
HE IS SO DANGEROUS, SO DANGEROUS THAT WE CAN'T GO TO THE
POLICE TO REPORT HIS MANY RAPES, THAT WOULD BE TO RAPEY AND
THE WOMEN ARE TOO BRAVE FOR THAT."
SO OF COURSE AMY SCHUMER WAS TWEETED OUT BY A LOT OF
PEOPLE ASKING HOW SHE FELT ABOUT THESE COMMENTS.
SHE SAID, "I AM SO SADDENED AND DISAPPOINTED IN KURT
METZGER, HE IS MY FRIEND AND A GREAT WRITER AND I COULDN'T
BE MORE AGAINST HIS RECENT ACTIONS."
SHE GOES ON, "KURT DOES NOT WORK FOR ME, HE IS NOT A WRITER
ON MY SHOW.
PLEASE STOP ASKING ME ABOUT IT, HIS WORDS ARE NOT MINE."
THEN SHE SAID IN ANOTHER TWEET, "I DIDN'T FIRE KURT.
HE IS A WRITER FOR MY SHOW BECAUSE WE AREN'T MAKING
THE SHOW ANYMORE, THERE ARE NO WRITERS ABOUT IT."
WE ANNOUNCED WE WERE GOING TO BE COVERING THE SHOW AND AMY
SCHUMER ACTUALLY TWEETED AT TYT LIVE AND SHE WANTED US TO
READ HER COMMENTS THAT SHE SAID ON CHARLIE ROSE.
I WANT TO READ THAT'S WE GET HER SIDE OF THE STORY.
SHE SAID, "I TAKE IT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE ARE STEPPING
FORWARD.
AND IF IT'S NOT DONE IN A WAY THAT KURT FEELS RIGHT, YOU
KNOW, THAT'S REALLY UPSETTING TO HEAR.
WE ALL NEED TO BE EMPOWERING TO EACH OTHER, BUT TO FOCUS
YOUR ENERGY ON ONLINE TROLLING ñ
IF I DID THAT, I WOULDN'T GET ANYTHING DONE.
LET'S FOCUS ON GETTING THE ACTUAL PROBLEM DONE."
SHE SAYS SHE WANTS TO FOCUS ON THE REAL PROBLEM, WHICH IS
RAPE, AND NOT THE TROLLING AND THE WITCHHUNT.
BUT SHE DOES SAY THAT HE IS THE PROBLEM AND NO QUESTION,
BUT THE FOCUS IS ON HIM AND NOT WHAT ñ
NOT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT.
I WANT TO SAY THAT KURT DID RESPOND FOLLOWING THIS
BACKLASH, HIS NAME HAS BEEN REALLY IN THE NEWS, WHICH
IS NOT TYPICAL FOR HIM.
HE SAYS, "I AM DUMB TO NOT REALIZE THIS MOB WOULD LIE
AND SAY I WAS YELLING AT RAPE VICTIMS.
BUT I DO CARE IF A RAPE VICTIM THINGS I WAS MOCKING THEM,
AND I CARE IF AN INNOCENT GUY GETS CHARGED.
THE WAY I SPOKE FUCKED BOTH OF THOSE THINGS."
HE WENT ON TO SAY, "IS NEITHER ñ ISN'T IT IRONIC THAT THERE
IS MORE HEAT ON ME THAN THE RAPE SUSPECT?
THAT PROVES MY POINT."
I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, JIMMY YOU ARE A
COMIC, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW.
I DID MY SHOW AT THE YOU SPEAK ñ
AT THE UCB THEATER HERE IN LA FOR MANY YEARS WHEN I STARTED.
I DON'T HOW YOU POLICE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW
THESE PEOPLE.
ALL I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I KIND OF FEEL SORRY FOR AMY
SCHUMER IN A SENSE, BECAUSE NOW SHE HAS TO TAKE FLACK FOR
PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR HER.
COMEDIANS WHO WRITE NOTORIOUSLY LIVE EIGHT, LOCATED LIFE,
YOU KNOW, NIGHTCLUB PERFORMERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO
THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, THIS COMEDY CLUB, THE UCB, THEY HAVE TO PROTECT
THE PEOPLE TO PERFORM THEIR.
SO WHAT KURT IS SAYING, IT'S LIKE HEY, ñ I THINK WHAT HE'S
SAYING, IF THIS REALLY HAPPENED, INSTEAD OF GETTING TOGETHER AND
COMING AT ME, WHEN YOU GET TOGETHER AND GO TO THE POLICE
AND THE REST THIS GUY AND GET HIM IN JAIL?
BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE JUST KIND OF SMEARING HIM WITHOUT
ACTUALLY PROVING THE ALLEGATION.
I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE POINT TO MAKE, BUT AT THE ñ
BUT AT THE SAME TIME ñ AGAIN, IT'S MESSY ALL THE WAY AROUND.
THE WAY HE DID HANDLE IT WASN'T THE RIGHT WAY.
LET ME JUMP IN, I THINK THAT THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT
ISSUES HERE.
FIRST, ON KURT, IT'S A LITTLE IRONIC WHEN HE SAYS
THAT PROVES THAT I'M RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING
AFTER THE RAPE SUSPECT.
WHILE YOUR WHOLE POINT WAS TO NOT GO AFTER HIM.
YOU STARTED ALL THIS DEFENDING A GUY WHO IS YOUR FRIEND, NOW
YOU ARE SAYING WHY DON'T YOU GO AFTER THE RAPE SUSPECT?
I KNOW WHY HE IS SAYING IT, IF IT SO SERIOUS WHY DON'T YOU
GO AFTER HIM AND THAT PROVES I'M RIGHT.
NO, IT DOESN'T PROVE THAT YOU ARE RIGHT.
PEOPLE CAN THINK, WHAT YOU DID WAS TERRIBLE, AND WHAT YOU
DID, KIND OF MAKING FUN OF IT WERE MAKING LIGHT OF IT IS
ALSO TERRIBLE, THAT DOESN'T REALLY PROVE ANYTHING.
I AGREE WITH JIMMY SO THAT IT IS NOT CLEAR-CUT, AND PEOPLE
MIGHT GET MAD AT THAT.
SO WHEN KURT GOES AND SAYS ñ SOME PEOPLE WERE UPSET ABOUT
THIS, WHEN HE SAID THAT HIS FAVORITE BOOK OF THE BIBLE
AND MUCH LIKE THE BIBLE, WOMEN ARE INCAPABLE OF LYING.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPER CAREFUL TO MAKE LIGHT OF RAPE,
WHICH I DON'T THINK HE WAS, AND HE WAS ANYWHERE NEAR CAREFUL.
HE GETS TO DEFEND HIS FRIEND, AND HE GETS TO MAKE WHAT HE INKS
IS A LEGITIMATE POINT OF LIGHT, HEY YOU GUYS NEVER PROVED THIS.
THAT IS A LEGITIMATE POINT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT
DIDN'T HAPPEN EITHER.
SO THAT'S GOT TO GET IT ISSUE, BUT WHAT HE HAS GOT TO REALIZE
IS, WHEN HE SAYS THINGS LIKE, "OR RE-RAPING THE VICTIM'S GOOD
HOLE," DON'T SAY THAT.
I'M GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY AS A COMEDIAN, A
LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY BECAUSE IT'S YOUR FRIEND.
I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT YOU ARE MAKING, I'M NOT IMMUNE
TO THAT ARGUMENT, I GET IT.
WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THAT STORY AND TALKED ABOUT IT WE
SAID, KEEP IN MIND A LOT OF WOMEN ARE SAYING THIS BUT
IT HASN'T BEEN PROVED IN A COURT OF LAW.
BUT KURT, IF YOU CAN'T SEE HOW PEOPLE WOULD GET MAD AT
THIS, YOU ARE BEING A LITTLE DUMB ABOUT IT.
I KNOW HIM A BIT, I'VE BEEN ON HIS SHOW RACE WARS.
I WOULD SAY HE'S A FRIEND OF MINE BUT I'VE MET HIM, AND I'M A
UCB ALUM SO I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONDUCTING THE
INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT.
KURT'S SHTICK IS ALWAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS THE MOST
CONTROVERSIAL PERSON ON FACEBOOK OR TWITTER AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
THE MANNER IN WHICH HE SAYS THINGS IS INTENTIONALLY
CONTROVERSIAL.
WHEN YOU START DELVING INTO A SUBJECT THAT IS AS TOXIC, WITH
AS MANY TRIPWIRES AS SEXUAL ASSAULT ñ IN THE SAME WAY THAT
IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RACE RELATIONS WERE EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE
TO BE AWARE THAT IF YOU TOOK ONE OF THOSE TRIPWIRES, THE
WHOLE WORLD IS WHAT A BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S A PROBLEM THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR
A COMEDIAN TO MAKE AN OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT LIKE THIS WITHOUT
POTENTIALLY RUINING HIS CAREER.
THIS MAY HAVE CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF CLUBS WANTED TO
BOOK HIM, OR AMY SURE WANTED TO HIRE HIM BACK IF HE DOES ñ
IF SHE DOESN'T FIFTH SEASON OF HER SHOW.
SHOULD BE THE CASE THAT A SPEWED OUT RANCH THAT IS DELIVERED
INSENSITIVELY ABOUT A TOUCHY SUBJECT HAS THE POTENTIAL
TO RUIN YOUR LIFE?
HE IS MAKING A COHERENT POINT.
IT IS A POINT THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH BECAUSE I THINK HE IS
MISSING THE CONTEXT OF HOW HARD IT IS FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
ASSAULT TO GO TO THE POLICE.
HE SEEMS TO LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD WHERE THE POLICE ARE
REALLY GOOD AT FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE THINGS, AND RAPE KITS
ARE GETTING CONSTANTLY TESTED.
THE WAY FROM WHICH ñ
THE WAY WHICH WE COMBAT SEXUAL ASSAULT FROM THE SIDE OF
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ABYSMAL AND NEEDS TO BE APPROVED ñ IMPROVED.
BUT I UNDERSTAND HIS POINT, HE WROTE A FOLLOW-UP POINT
YESTERDAY IN WHICH HE BASICALLY APOLOGIZED FOR HOW HE SAID
THIS, BUT HE DID SAY, HE IS OPPOSED TO WOMEN WHO TELL
OTHER WOMEN THAT THEY SHOULD GO TO THE POLICE.
HE TWEETED, "WHO THE FUCK DOES THE UCB THINK THEY ARE?
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, INVESTIGATING THIS INTERNALLY?"
HIS POINT IS, IF THE PERSON IS THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD,
AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AND LOCKED UP IN JAIL, OR LET'S NOT
CONDUCT A WHISPERING CAMPAIGN THAT SAYS, PSST THIS GUY IS
A RAPIST AND THEN RUIN HIS LIFE.
LET'S TAKE IT SERIOUSLY OR NOT SERIOUSLY, BUT LET'S NOT HAVE A
ñ AN INTERNAL CONVERT ñ LET'S NOT HAVE AN INTERNAL
INVESTIGATION AT A COMEDY LIFE THAT COULD RUIN SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS JOKE STARTED IN POOR TASTE.
HE IS SARCASTIC AND THE REALLY UNFORTUNATE THING HERE IS
THAT NOW AMY SCHUMER IS KIND OF DRAGGED INTO IT BECAUSE OF
THEIR CONNECTION, AND HE EVEN POINTED OUT THAT HE WAS A
WRITER ON HER SHOW FOR ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR.
YEAH, SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR HIM OR MAKE A
STATEMENT ABOUT IT.
LET ME JUMP IN ON THAT.
1ST, REAL QUICK ON KURT, I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO ADDRESS
EVERY ISSUE, BUT AS I READ THE BOTTOM OF HIS FACEBOOK
STATEMENT THAT HE PUT OUT ORIGINALLY.
HE'S LIKE, "HEY LADY GHOST BUSTER, LITTLE GIRLS LOOK UP AT
US, TEAR."
AND HE MAKES FUN OF PROGRESSIVE CATTLE AS HE CALLS IT, AND IT'S
MY, SEEMS A GOOD GUY I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH, IT'S OKAY TO BE A
DICK IN THIS COUNTRY, AGAIN, MUCH MORE LEEWAY FOR A COMEDIAN.
BUT HE'S GOT TO RECOGNIZE, WHAT IF HE IS WRONG?
SO HE'S RIPPING INTO THESE WOMEN.
I GET IT, YOU'RE DEFENDING THIS ñ
YOU ARE DEFENDING YOUR FRIEND AND YOU THINK IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
YOU ARE ASKING EVERYBODY ELSE, WHAT IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
AND YOU ARE RUINING THE GUYS CAREER?
THAT'S TRUE, AND A VALID POINT TO MAKE, BUT WHAT IF IT DID
HAPPEN?
AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING THOSE VICTIMS, OH TEAR.
THERE IS A LINE SOMEWHERE, EVEN FOR A COMEDIAN, EVEN FOR A GUY
WHO MAKES A LIVING TRYING TO BE OUT THERE, ETC.,
AND BOY IF THIS DOESN'T CROSS THE LINE I DON'T KNOW WHAT
ELSE DOES?
IT DOES, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE CROSS THE LINES IN
SOCIETY.
I MADE FIRM BELIEVER OF HAVING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF OPINIONS
IN SOCIETY, AND SOMETIMES THE MESSINESS OF THAT WILL CAUSE
TRANSGRESSIONS THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FIND OFFENSIVE.
BUT I THINK THAT IS BETTER THAN A CLIMATE OF FEAR AND
CONSTIPATION WHERE EVERYONE IS TREADING ON EGGSHELLS BECAUSE
THEY ARE AFRAID OF SAYING SOMETHING THAT BOB DOESN'T LIKE.
THAT'S WHERE I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK IT COST THE LINE OF GOOD TASTE AND I WISH YOU WOULD LOOK
AT IT AND GO, OH SHOOT, WHAT IF MY FRIEND IS FULL OF SHIT
AND THEY WERE RAPED AND I MADE FUN OF THEM?
I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE OF THAT FROM HIS SO-CALLED APOLOGY.
THERE WASN'T AN APOLOGY AT ALL.
BUT, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES?
WE GET TO JUDGE HIM, THAT'S IT THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK HE'S FIRED, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE
WITH THAT.
AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU ALL THINK.
AND CERTAINLY IT'S NOT ON AMY SCHUMER AT ALL!
AT ALL!
WHAT SOME ASSHOLE SAYS YOU WROTE ON HER SHOW FOR A LITTLE
BIT IS NOT HER FAULT AT ALL.
I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING JIMMY DORE SAYS?
NO WAY.
KNOW YOU ARE, IT IS ON YOUR NETWORK, IT IS ON YOUR HEAD.
WELL OKAY THEN I GOT TO FIRE YOU PREEMPTIVELY.
SO NO IT'S NOT AMY, AND BY THE WAY JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR,
IF THEY DO A FIFTH SEASON OF THE SHOW, WHILE THEY ARE DOING
A FIFTH SEASON THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO
GET BACK TO IT.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO REHIRE KURT.
ON EVERY ONE OF THESE SEASONS, WHICH LASTS ONLY THREE
MONTHS, THEY REHIRE THE WRITERS, SO TECHNICALLY HE'S NOT
WORKING FOR HER RIGHT NOW BUT HE MIGHT AGAIN LATER.
JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT POINT.
BUT FOR HER, SHE ESSAYS THAT WHAT SHE SAID ON THE SHOW,
WHICH IS, I LIKE THE GUY, I WORK WITH THE GUY, WE HAD A
GREAT RELATIONSHIP, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THIS.
THAT'S IT, WE ARE DONE WITH THIS AS FAR AS AMY SCHUMER IS
CONCERNED.
THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH.
AGAIN, LET'S SAY JIMMY SAID SOMETHING OUTRAGEOUS.
THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I GO HEY I LOVE JENNY, I WORK WITH JIMMY, THAT'S A STUPID
THING TO SAY, I'M DONE WITH IT.
UNLESS HE KEEPS SAYING HORRIBLE THING AFTER HORRIBLE THING, THEN
I GO, OKAY I DON'T WANT THAT ON THE AIR ALL THE TIME.
YOU WENT A LITTLE BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF REASON, THERE'S A
POINT.
I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE FOLLOW-UP.
KURT WILL TRY TO PERSUADE HIMSELF AND HE WILL BE EQUALLY
HAM-FISTED IN THE EXPLANATION AS HE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL POST.
AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU ARE A PUBLIC FIGURE WITH
SOCIAL MEDIA IS ENSURE YOU ARE AWARE.
IF THE MOB TURNS ON YOU, THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS STUFF RUNS HOT BUT FAST, AND IT WILL
BE OVER SOON, AND DON'T ENGAGE.
HIS PROBLEM IS PARTLY THE SUBSEQUENT TWEETS WHICH HE HAS
BEEN TWEETING OUT AND DIGGING HIMSELF FURTHER INTO A WHOLE.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM, HE'S A DOG WITH A BONE AND HE DOESN'T
KNOW WHEN TO DROP IT.
FROM WHAT I READ, AND AGAIN I DON'T KNOW KURT METZGER AT
ALL OR HIS HABITS, BUT FROM WHAT I READ HE PRIDES HIMSELF ON
BEING A TROLL.
TROLLING PEOPLE, BUT LIKE, HE LIKES TRYING TO GET A RISE
OUT OF PEOPLE.
SO, WELL, YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU'RE GOING TO GET BURNED
AT SOME POINT, SO THAT'S WHY HE CONTINUES TO STEP BACK INTO
IT, BECAUSE HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ATTACK HIM WILL
INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENT ñ
AND I'VE SEEN THIS WITH MYSELF ON SOCIAL MEDIA ñ
THEY WILL WOEFULLY MISREPRESENT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR NUANCE.
HE POSTED ON FACEBOOK TODAY ñ
THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, BUT IT WAS NEVER MY INTENT TO
ANTAGONIZE VICTIMS OR THEIR SUPPORTERS.
MY DEFENSIVENESS CAME FROM FEELING INTENTIONALLY
MISCONSTRUED, I'M NOT A RATE APOLOGIST."
YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STOP HIM ñ YOU THINK THAT'S
WHAT YOU STOP PEOPLE FROM CALLING HIM A RAPE APOLOGIST?
THAT IS THAT THEY WOULD RAPE APOLOGIST WOULD SAY.
WELL YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD AND YOU DIE BY THE SWORD, HE
LIKES TROLLING PEOPLE AND NOW HE IS GETTING TROLLED.
EDDIE GOES, WELL IF YOU DO IT TO ME NOW MY FEELINGS GET HURT.
WELL THAT'S WHAT YOU DID TO PEOPLE, SO NOW I HAVE A
LITTLE ACIDITY FOR YOU.
THAT IS FAIR, BUT I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THAT HE DOESN'T
INTENTIONALLY DO THAT TO PEOPLE.
HE FINDS PROVOCATIVE WAYS OF EXPLAINING OPINIONS.
BUT THAT'S TRUE OF EVERYBODY.
I WILL SAY THIS TO THE EXTENT THAT I KNOW HIM, WHICH IS NOT
VERY WELL, IF YOU GET INTO A BIG ARGUMENT WITH HIM AND YOU
CONVINCE THEM THAT YOU ARE RIGHT, HE WILL CHANGE HIS MIND.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE GUY AT ALL, SEE YOU MIGHT BE VERY RIGHT
ABOUT THAT, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE GUYS WHO
MISREPRESENT OTHER PEOPLE THE MOST WILL SAY THAT THEY NEVER DO
IT, AND THAT THEY ARE SHOCKED AND CHAGRINED BY IT.
MISREPRESENTATION IS THE WORST THING EVER!
AS THEY ARE MISREPRESENTING YOU.
MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT HIM, BUT ONLINE TROLLS, THAT IS
WHAT THEY LIVE AND BREATHE, IS TO MISREPRESENT PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK HE'S A TROLL, I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG
TERM, BECAUSE I REGARD A TROLL AS SOMEONE WHO INTENTIONALLY
TRIES TO GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE BY JUST SPEWING VENOM.
HE TRIES TO GET A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE BY SAYING CONTROVERSIAL
THINGS THAT CHALLENGE THEIR ORTHODOXIES.
HE SAYS THEM IN SUCH A PROVOCATIVE WAY THAT THEY
REALLY, THAT INITIALLY THEY ARE CONFRONTING.
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DIG IN AND SEE THE POINT HE'S TRYING TO
MAKE, HE'S NOT SIMPLY TRYING TO GET A RISE IS ALSO TRYING
TO MAKE A POINT.
THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO POINT THAT OUT, THERE'S A
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TROLL AND A GUY WHO WAS TROLLING.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE DOES AND IS WHOLE THING IS TO GET A RISE OUT
OF PEOPLE AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON HE'S DOING IT, AND HE
DOESN'T CARE HOW HE GETS A RISE OUT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S A
TROLL, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.
HE'S JUST STROLLING FROM TIME TO TIME IN THE WAY THAT YOU
DESCRIBED.
THERE IS A DISTINCTION.
THERE IS SOME INTELLECTUAL CONTENT BEHIND HIS NASTINESS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THIS INTERACTION
THAT HE HAD AND THIS POST ON FACEBOOK AS TROLLING.
MAYBE HE'S NOT NECESSARILY A TROLL ALL THE TIME, BUT WHAT HE
DID WITH THIS SORT OF SARCASTIC, JEFF IS A RAPIST ñ AND I KNOW
THAT'S TROLLING BECAUSE THAT'S TRYING TO GET A RISE OUT OF
PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THIS.
BUT HE IS WORRIED ABOUT AN ACTUAL THING, WHICH IS THE
DIFFICULTY ñ BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
ñ THE DIFFICULTY OF GIVING THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE
TWO MEN WHO ARE ACCUSED OF IT.
HE IS GENUINELY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
BUT HE DIDN'T ARTICULATE THAT IN A WAY THAT WAS CLEAR.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SO FRUSTRATING ABOUT IT, IS THAT
HE DID HAVE, AS WE DISCUSSED, HE HAD SOME VALID POINTS.
THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH HOW WE GO ABOUT PROSECUTING VICTIMS
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTING THE ASSAULT.
THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM THERE AND WE COULD HAVE HAD THAT
DISCUSSION.
AND ACTUALLY, I'VE HEARD SOME REALLY STIMULATING AND
CHALLENGING JOKES ABOUT AMERICA ñ ABOUT RAPE IN AMERICA, AND
GREAT CULTURE, BUT THAT WASN'T THIS, AND THAT'S WHY THIS SUCKS
FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED.
YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION JOSH WAS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE
CROSS LINES IN OUR CULTURE?
NOWADAYS THEY MAKE YOU THE GOP NOMINEE.
I THINK THE TWO FACTORS ARE ACTUALLY LINKED.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TRUMP HAS THE SUPPORT THAT HE
DOES IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF FEELING LIKE THEY
ARE BEING THOUGHT POLICED BY POLITICALLY CORRECT.
JUST TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, THAT'S WHY I SAY DON'T FIRE HIM.
WHAT I WANT IS A CONVERSATION, AND SO AT THE SAME TIME
THAT MEANS KURT CAN'T GET TOO UPSET ABOUT THE CONVERSATION.
YOU WANTED TO START ONE, WELL YOU STARTED IT AND WE'RE
HAVING IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE FIRED.
AND ALL THOSE TIMES THAT DON IMUS SAID THE NAPPY HEADED HO OR
WHATEVER HE SAID, I SAID HE SHOULDN’T BE FIRED.
ALL THE TIMES RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID SOMETHING CRAZY I SAID HE
SHOULDN’T BE FIRED.
THEY ARE TALKSHOW HOSTS, THEY ARE TRYING TO FIRE PEOPLE UP,
THEY ARE DOUCHES BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IF WE FIRE SOMEONE EVERY TIME THEY SEASONALLY WRONG, IT'S
GOING TO SHUT DOWN ALL CONVERSATIONS, AND THEN
WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN ACTUALLY
IMPORTANT CONVERSATIONS.