>>> NOW AN INSIDE LOOK INTO ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEXIONEPLEX
RELATIONSHIPS IN THE COUNTRY.
THE BOOK REVEALS WHAT IT IS LIKE
TO BE A HEART BEAT AWAY FROM THE
MOST POWERFUL OFFICE IN THE
WORLD.
WORLD.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> THERE ARE FAMOUS QUOTES ABOUT
HOW IT IS KIND OF THE WORST JOB
IN AMERICA.
IN AMERICA.
THE CONSTITUTION IS SO
UNDEFINED.
YOU WAIT FOR SOMETHING AWFUL TO
HAPPEN TO THE PRESIDENT.
>> EXACTLY.
GEORGE H.W. BUSH, RONALD
REAGANS VICE PRESIDENT SAID,
YOU DIE, I FLY.
HE WOULD GET DISPATCHED TO ALL THESE STATE FUNERALS AROUND THE
WORLD.
WORLD.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT
POSITION.
THE PAST 55 YEARS, WEVE HAD
FOUR VICE PRESIDENTS BECOME
PRESIDENT.
14 VICE PRESIDENTS IN THE
HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES TO
BECOME PRESIDENT.
IT IS A CONSEQUENTIAL ROLE.
>> IN A WAY RS, IT IS A LABORATO FOR ASPIRING PRESIDENTS.LABORATO
FOR ASPIRING PRESIDENTS. DID YOU TALK TO EVERY LIVING
VICE PRESIDENT?
>> I DID OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS.ID OVER TWO AND A HALF
YEARS.
I INTERVIEWED MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE, EVERY LIVING FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
ALL SIX OF THEM, REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS.
IT WAS A FASCINATING LOOK AT
THIS RELATIONSHIP.
I ALSO TALKED TO PRESIDENT
CARTER.
>> LETS TALK ABOUT VICE
PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE, THE
CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE OFFICE. I WAS VERY INTERESTED TO READE.
I WAS VERY INTERESTED TO READ THAT HE AND FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN HAVE A
SOMEWHAT CLOSE RELATIONSHIP.
THEY TALK MONTHLY?
>> THEY DO.
>> ACCORDING TO YOUR BOOK.
>> JOE BIDEN TOLD ME THEY TALK
AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.
WHEN HEAD OF STATE VISITS
PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY SOMETIMES
TALK TO BIDEN, TOO.
THE KING OF JORDAN WENT TO
WASHINGTON, THEN TOOK A
HELICOPTER AND VISITED BIDEN IN
DELAWARE.
DELAWARE.
TALKED TO THE GREEK PRIME MINISTER. THE GREEK PRIME
MINISTER.
IT IS A BACK CHANNEL
RELATIONSHIP THAT JOE BIDEN HAS
TO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND IT IS
THROUGH MIKE PENCE.
>> I KNOW YOU SPOKE TO PENCES BROTHER.W YOU SPOKE TO PENCES
BROTHER.
HE HAD REVELATIONS ABOUT THE
DYNAMIC BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT. MIKE PENCES OLDER BROTHER,.
MIKE PENCES OLDER BROTHER, GREG, TOLD ME THAT MIKE PENCE
SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP REMINDS
ME OF THEIR FATHER.
>> OF THE PENCES FATHER?
>> YES.
>> YES.
YOU KNOW, HE IS A DOMINEERING PERSONALITY. IS A DOMINEERING
PERSONALITY.
HE WAS A KOREAN WAR VET.
YOU ALWAYS KNEW WHERE HE STOOD, GREG PENCE TOLD ME.RE HE STOOD,
GREG PENCE TOLD ME. THE SAME IS TRUE FOR DONALD
TRUMP, OBVIOUSLY.
TRUMP, OBVIOUSLY. DONALD TRUMP IS 13 YEARS OLDER
THAN MIKE PENCE.
THEY HAVE THIS VERY -- IT IS A
RELATIONSHIP WHERE THERE IS A
DEGREE OF FEAR THERE, BUT HE IS
WALKING THIS TIGHT ROPE.
IT IS ALWAYS HARD FOR EVERY VICE
PRESIDENT, BUT THIS ONE IN
PARTICULAR, BECAUSE HE DOESNT
WANT TO UPSET PRESIDENT TRUMP
AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE IS
DOING TOO MUCH.
THEN THE OTHER WAY, HE DOESNT
WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE HES NOT
DOING ANYTHING.
DOING ANYTHING.
HE CLEARLY WANTS TO RUN. >> EXACTLY.WANTS TO RUN.
>> EXACTLY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTERESTING
TIDBITS IN THE BOOK.
ONE WAS THAT MELANIA TRUMP WAS FAIRLY INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION
OF MIKE PENCE.
WE KNEW THAT THE CHILDREN WERE,
THE ADULT CHILDREN, BUT I WASNT
AWARE OF MELANIAS ROLE.
>> I WAS SURPRISED BY THAT
ACTUALLY.
ACTUALLY.
SHE SAID IN THE FINAL, DECISIVE MEETING AT THEIR GULF CLUB INVE
MEETING AT THEIR GULF CLUB IN BEDMINSTER, NEW JERSEY, WHOEVER
HER HUSBAND CHOSE MUST BE CLEAN,
WAS HER WORD.
THAT MEANS, NO MESSY FINANCIAL ENTANGLEMENTS, NO AFFAIRS.CIAL
ENTANGLEMENTS, NO AFFAIRS. THEY WERE LOOKING AT PEOPLE LIKE
NEWT GINGRICH, CHRIS CHRISTIE,
WHO COME WITH A LOT OF BAGGAGE.
HER VOICE WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT
ONE IN THAT DECISION.
>> LETS TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER
PAST ADMINISTRATIONS.
PAST ADMINISTRATIONS. WELL DO THE LIGHTNING ROUND.
WHO DID YOU THINK HAD THE MOST
CONTENTIOUS OR COMPETITIVE
RELATIONSHIP?
RELATIONSHIP?
>> I THINK -- WELL, I THINK IT
WAS REALLY DIFFICULT AT THE END
FOR DICK CHENEY AND GEORGE W. BUSH, THE SECOND TERM.ORGE W.
BUSH, THE SECOND TERM. CHENEY SAID HE LOST A LOT OF HIS
POWER IN THE SECOND TERM.
>> THEY WERE THICK AS THIEVES AT
THE BEGINNING OF THE
ADMINISTRATION.
CHENEY WAS REGARDED AS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL VICE PRESIDENT.MOST
INFLUENTIAL VICE PRESIDENT. >> YES, EXACTLY.
OF COURSE, AL GORE AND BILL
CLINTON AT THE VERY END.
RELATIONSHIPS DISINTEGRATE UNTIL
THE END, WHICH MAKES PRESIDENT
OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN UNIQUE,
BECAUSE THEIR BOND GREW.
>> THERE WAS A WRITTEN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN ABOUT THE
PARTICULARS OF WHAT THEIR
RELATIONSHIPS WOULD BE, KIND OF
LIKE A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING?
>> THERE WAS.
IT LISTS SEVERAL POINTS LIKE,
YOU KNOW, J.B. MUST SEE ALL PAPER THAT CROSSES B.O.S DESK.
THAT WAS THE SHORTHAND THEY USED
IN THE MEMO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY FAS MATE
ING
ING
-- FASCINATING.
JOE BIDEN SAID HE WANTED TO BE
THE LAST PERSON IN A ROOM WHEN
THE DECISION WAS MADE.
USUALLY, VICE PRESIDENTS DO NOT CRITICIZE PRESIDENTS, EVENO NOT
CRITICIZE PRESIDENTS, EVEN PRIVATELY WITH OTHER CABINET
MEMBERS.
MEMBERS.
THEY DONT WANT TO UNDERMINE THE RELATIONSHIP.T TO UNDERMINE THE
RELATIONSHIP.
>> ITS A GREAT READ.
POLITICAL FRENEMIES, THE VICE
PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENT,
INTERESTING SUGGEST.
KATE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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