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- Hi, folks, I'm Bob Schrupp, physical therapist.
- Brad Heineck, physical therapist.
- And we are the most famous physical therapists
on the Internet.
- In our opinion, of course, Bob.
- Today, we're gonna talk about,
will hanging heal your shoulder pain tear impingement?
And, you know what?
You can ask the surgeon to find out.
- And that's a fact, Bob.
This video is probably one of the most unique videos
out there in this arena.
I am serious.
This is incredible.
I'm real happy.
I'm excited. - Yeah, 'cause you can
actually get your questions answered.
- By a surgeon.
- Right.
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- So our topic today was derived from this book.
And it's actually a new edition now,
I think the fifth edition, Brad,
that they come out with.
I'm gonna read it.
"Shoulder Pain?
"The Solution and Prevention,
"The Exercise that Heals the Shoulder
"and Relieves Back Pain."
- Sure.
- So we came aware of this,
what would you say?
How many years ago?
- Five or six?
- Sure.
- It was a comment from a viewer
said this book was really good, and...
Well, sure it is.
And then Bob ordered the book and we both read it
and it's just changed our whole outlook on shoulders.
- I would say we were skeptical.
- Oh, yeah.
- To say the least, at first.
It just didn't make really any sense to us.
But we started trying it ourselves,
tried it on some patients.
And now we've got lots of really good comments
from people who've tried it themselves from our videos.
- And the surgeon,
he's a orthopedic surgeon.
- A retired orthopedic surgeon, board certified.
Dr. John Kirsch.
- Right.
- He's actually lives up in--
- My neck of the woods,
where I'm from in central Wisconsin area.
- And this guy,
I'm gonna tell you right now,
he's as good as gold.
His goals are aligned with ours.
You know, we're trying to help as many people as possible.
- Right.
- And that's what he's doing right now.
He's not making a million dollars off this.
He's just trying to help people.
That's his legacy.
- He's retired from surgery
and he wants to continue to help.
And, so,
- So he's agreed to answer questions
- From viewers.
- Yeah, from viewers.
So we're gonna put his email at the end...
So you have to watch the video, you know?
It's gonna be at the end of the video.
So please, you know, don't overwhelm him.
I mean, if you have a true question,
make sure, you can ask it,
but we're try to answer some of 'em here today.
- Exactly.
So don't repeat a question to him
that we answered here today.
- That's why you gotta watch the video,
so you get an idea of what you're doing,
the treatment and you can get to the point with him
so he can answer more people's questions.
- Yeah, understand this.
He gets 10,000 questions,
it's gonna take him awhile to answer these
and maybe he won't be able to get to 'em all, so.
Some of the common questions
we're gonna answer right here,
let's first off,
who should not do hanging?
- Right.
- So if you have unstable shoulders.
Like, they tend to dislocate really easy.
No, absolutely not.
If you have poor health,
or let's say you had unexplained shoulder pain.
It just suddenly showed up
and it's been there for several weeks.
See your doctor first.
I just wanna make sure something's not medically going on.
- If you've fallen and it's a clear trauma.
You fell on your elbow,
jammed your shoulder and it's very sore the next day,
don't start hanging.
- Right.
- It may be appropriate later on after it starts to heal up,
but none of those really obvious trauma things
where it's from a impact or a pull
or a fall of some sort where it twisted it.
- So, who might this help?
- Okay.
- In the book, Dr. Kirsch,
and we'll have a link down below for this,
they did a study or Kauai, Kauai, part of Hawaii,
the island of Kauai.
They had 92 subjects.
And the subjects,
the problems they had were as follows,
mostly subacromial impingement syndrome.
- Yep, which is very common impingement.
70% is estimated that all shoulder pain
is from that particular diagnosis.
- Yep, rotator cuff tears.
These were confirmed by MRI.
And they had people like that in the study.
And some of 'em actually ended up avoiding surgery.
- Right.
- Just from hanging.
Frozen shoulder.
I would say the only caveat to that,
it can work for a frozen shoulder,
but if you're already in what we call the final phase of it,
the thawing phase,
I don't believe this is gonna help
when it start all just inflamed up.
You know, I just don't.
- Right, it depends on where your range is.
If you're feeling good at this high,
you'll have to watch one of our frozen shoulder videos
for completeness on that.
- Exactly.
Osteoarthritis, arthritis,
absolutely, I would try this for that.
You might have to start off slow.
And I would also include bursitis.
- Sure.
- You know, kind of falls in that same category.
So, let's talk about how do you do it.
And we're gonna show at the end how to do it,
but right now we're just gonna talk the specifics.
- Sure.
- So you need something to hang on.
So you could have a pull-up bar or overhead bar somewhere
or hang on a tree branch.
He was showing that, or.
- Right, and he does go through options
to make a pull-up bar using some pipe, et cetera,
but if you have a pull-up bar,
you're good to go.
We have a great option,
but we'll show that at the end.
- Yeah, we'll show that at the end.
What you're gonna try to do
is you're gonna try to hang palms forward,
so your palms are facing out.
And you're gonna try to do probably
a partial weight hang first.
- Right.
- Again, we'll show at the end,
but which means you're not lifting your feet
off the ground completely.
You're just putting some weight on it,
and you can try to go 10 to 30 seconds.
That might be too much for you to start off with.
- Yep.
- But you know, maybe try 10 seconds.
And there's gonna be a little bit of pain.
- Yep.
It's really nice if your pull-up bar is you can reach it
without jumping off the ground.
If it is high,
then get a solid, safe stool you can step up on,
and you gently let yourself down,
hold it for, like Bob said,
to 10 to 20 seconds.
If it's too painful,
get up and maybe do it one or two more times,
but then see how it responds to it.
- Right.
And he talks about doing it
up to 10 to 15 minutes with rests,
and you know, eventually.
But I think most people do not hang that long, Brad.
I think unless you're one of those specific cases
where you're maybe a real thick and heavy guy
with big muscle--
- And you've been hanging for a while
and you know what your body tolerates.
- So just allow gravity to do the job,
and by the way,
in addition to the hanging,
he mentions a weightlifting program.
- Yep.
- And you're gonna have to get the book
to figure that one out.
We're not gonna give that away.
- Well, we do have some videos on that, but--
- Yeah, yeah.
In this one, we're not gonna,
you know, reveal it.
- We're gonna get to the heart of the hanging.
- So quickly, what does hanging do?
Some people are wondering,
what we're trying to do,
where the impingement occurs,
there's actually a ligament and there's a bone there
and we're trying to reshape those.
I don't really get too much into the anatomy.
- Right, he actually explains it very well in here.
If you're a therapist or you're in the field,
that's what helped sell me on,
oh, this makes complete sense now.
If, you know,
the layperson,
he explains it so you can see it and kinda understand it.
You may not, if you don't know--
- He's got a lot of good examples, testimonials.
He's got a lot of MRIs,
and I think it's all MRIs.
They don't have CT scans, I think, but.
- Yeah.
- So, but you know,
if you understand this,
that, you know,
the way orthodontists use to straighten your teeth,
so you can shift bone.
You can reshape bone.
And just like, they also use the same principle with trees.
Sometimes they help bend the tree
and have that grow that way,
so you can do the same thing with the ligaments.
- Right, the ligament's stretching.
There's some bone,
and you may have,
if you have some of the osteophytes,
the bone spurs, it may change those around a little bit.
- Right, you still can do it with those.
He's mentioned those cases.
So, is it safe?
I'm gonna go ahead,
I would say again,
if you don't have unstable shoulders,
but I'm gonna read right from what he said, okay?
- Okay, perfect.
- He said, I'm gonna look down and read this,
"It is clear from more than 36 years
"of clinical research on the hanging exercise,
"it is not only safe,
"but extremely effective in receiving and preventing
"the most common cause of shoulder pain."
- Yep.
- All right.
That was boring,
but it was effective, right?
- And that's what he says and we like him.
- So, how can you do this in your own home?
Let's say you don't have a bar.
You can get those over the head pull-up bars if you want,
but I always,
little worried about those. - That fit in the door?
- Yeah.
We're gonna come right over here right now.
And I'm actually gonna take my gloves, Brad.
- Yeah.
When I hang, I don't use gloves,
but every time I hang, I say,
"God, I wish I had a pair of gloves.
"It'd be a little easier."
But it all depends on your hand strength
and your calluses--
- When you're hanging from a bar,
when I do pull-ups.
- Oh, sure.
- So, we actually sell these.
They're called hanging handles.
- Yeah, we like this treatment so well,
we've had such good response,
we thought we might as well get something
that actually specifically made for it
that works good for most anyone.
- Well, to some extent, Brad,
we first got involved with this for the back.
- That's true.
- I mean,
we were trying to actually put traction on the back,
which it does do also.
- Yep.
- So, you basically,
I'm a tall person here,
so I can just do start by partial weight bearing here.
- Yep.
- And hang.
And then eventually I can actually lift up like this.
- There you go.
- And this thing will hold,
what will this hold, Brad?
- Well, we had it on the meter over 700 pounds,
so you gotta be a pretty big person.
- Yeah, you gotta be a big boy to take this one down.
We already talked about how often do you wanna do it.
- Yep.
- And this is a great option.
I used two golf gloves, by the way.
It keeps some stress off the--
- I think you mentioned that, Bob. (laughs)
- I'm losing my mind.
- That's all right.
And also, we do it with a back to the wall.
- Oh, right.
- You might try it the other way.
We find the back to the wall is most comfortable.
- Yeah, I've even had people hang like this a little bit,
but more for your back, I think.
- Sure, you could see how it responds.
- All right, we're gonna put up the email right now.
- Whoa.
- We'll put it up right here and check it out.
And please again, don't overwhelm him.
If you already know that you're gonna try this
and you don't really have any questions--
- Right, this is quite,
he's very generous, doing this.
- Yeah, he's a very nice man,
so take it easy on him.
(laughing)
So, we'll leave the email up for a little bit here.
- That's right, all right.
- Thanks for watching.
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