here's what mr burns and mr martin say
about kevin mccarthy
quote on january 10th so four days after
the attack on the capitol kevin mccarthy
convened a small group of house
republican leaders to share his thinking
speaking with just three other top
republicans on a private call mccarthy
said he might call on trump to resign
he conferred for more than 45 minutes
with steve scalise liz cheney and tom
emmer the minnesota congressman who led
the house republicans campaign committee
the usually upbeat mr mccarthy was
audibly anguished the gravity of the
attack was still sinking in and it
seemed increasingly clear to him that he
had to break with trump it was finally
time to end their alliance his plan
mccarthy said on that january 10 call
was to approach president trump and tell
him it was inevitable that congress
would impeach him and it was time for
him to go he envisioned telling trump of
an impeachment resolution quote i think
this will pass
and it would be my recommendation you
should resign
i think this will pass meaning the
impeachment resolution will pass meaning
you will be impeached
it would be my recommendation that you
should resign
mccarthy said near the end of the call
quote i've had it with this guy
what he did was unacceptable nobody can
defend that and nobody should defend it
now
it is one thing to know that kevin
mccarthy once felt that way and once
told his colleagues that he intended to
do those things that he described
and of course
now you can slide a sheet of paper
between him and trump he decided to just
jettison those
apparently principled concerns
and pledge his loyalty to trump once
again i mean that's that's one thing
that tells you something about mr
mccarthy um in in their new book mr
martin and mr burns call it
simply surrender by mr mccarthy that's
the word they use
but you know it's another thing entirely
for him to deny that this all happened
when in fact it happened
in a statement to the new york times
earlier today a spokesman for kevin
mccarthy issued a flat denial that
mccarthy ever said he would push trump
to resign that spokesman said quote
mccarthy never said he'd call trump to
say he should resign
mccarthy never said he'd call trump to
say he should resign
to further clarify you should also know
that nbc news reached out to the
congressman's office following that
statement specifically asking again and
drilling down
on the question of whether or not mr
mccarthy said he would push president
trump to resign
his spokesman responded saying quote no
he did not
leader mccarthy also issued a statement
himself today saying in part quote the
new york times reporting on me is
totally false and wrong
the problem with these denials from mr
mccarthy and his office is that we have
now obtained audio of that january 10
phone call that leader mccarthy held
with other top republicans in which he
in fact said he's going to call trump
and tell him that he must resign
the authors of this new book jonathan
martin and alexander burns from the new
york times they have shared that audio
of this call with us so that we can
share it with you tonight so that you
can know that when kevin mccarthy denies
that this happened
he is not telling the truth
here it is
liz you on the phone
yeah i'm here thanks kevin um
i guess there's a question when we were
talking about the 25th amendment
resolution um yeah and you asked if you
know what happens if it gets there after
he's gone is there any chance are you
hearing that he might
resign is there any reason to think that
might
happen
i've had some few discussions
my gut tells me no
um
i'm seriously
thinking about having that conversation
with him tonight i haven't talked to him
in a couple days
um
from what i know of him i mean you guys
all know him too do you think he'd ever
back away but
what what i think i'm going to do is i'm
going to call him
my
this is what i think
um
nobody will pass the house
i think there's a chance you'll pass the
senate even when he's gone
um
and
i think there's a lot of different
ramifications for that now
i haven't had a discussion
with the dim that if he did design with
it not happen now this is one personal
fear i have
um
i do not want to get into any
conversation about
penn's partying again i mean the only
discussion i would have with him
is that i think this will pass and it
will be my recommendation you should be
done
i mean that would be my take but i don't
think he would
take it
but i don't know
the discussion i would have with him is
that i think this will pass meaning the
impeachment resolution will pass
and it would be my recommendation you
should resign i mean that would be my
take
it would be my recommendation mr
president that you should resign
that's what kevin mccarthy
told other house republicans
on january 10 2011 that he was going to
call president trump and tell him the
impeachment was going to pass and he
needed to resign mr mccarthy flat out
and categorically denied that today he
denied that he said he would tell trump
to resign he in fact said exactly that
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