>>THIS WEEK, BEN CARSON HAS FACED NEW AND MORE INTENSE
SCRUTINY OVER SOME THINGS HE HAS SAID AND PRINTED IN THE PAST,
SOME PERCEIVED LIES IN HIS SPEECHES AND BOOKS.
WE WILL TALK
ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM, INCLUDING A FOLLOW-UP TO OUR
DISCUSSION YESTERDAY ABOUT HIS LIES HAVING TO DO WITH WEST
POINT, AND THINGS LIKE STABBINGS WHEN HE WAS YOUNG.
BUT FIRST YOU
WANT TO TALK ABOUT A SECTION FROM HIS BOOK, GIFTED HANDS,
WHERE HE SAYS --
>> WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
A FULL SCHOLARSHIP TO WEST POINT.
HE GOES ON TO SAY --
>> AND HE GOES ON.
IT TURNS OUT THOUGH THAT NONE OF THAT
HAPPENED.
HE MIGHT WELL HAVE MET THE GENERAL, BUT HE WASN'T
OFFERED ANY SORT OF FULL SCHOLARSHIP.
IS THIS ACTUALLY A
LIE?
WAS HE LYING?
>>YES.
>>EARLY TODAY IN POLITICO WHEN THEY REVEALED SOME OF THIS
INFORMATION, THEY TALKED TO WEST POINT AND FOUND OUT WHAT
HAPPENED VIS-¿-VIS BEN CARSON, THEY SAID HE HAD NOT APPLIED LET
ALONE HAD BEEN ACCEPTED.
SO THEY PRINTED THAT HE LIED ABOUT IT.
AND THEN HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER SAID --
>> IT WENT ON FROM THERE, BASICALLY SAYING YOU CAN'T SAY
HE LIED BECAUSE HE NEVER SAID THAT HE ACTUALLY GOT IN, HE JUST
IMPLIED HE GOT A FULL SCHOLARSHIP.
THEN YOU HAVE TO
BEAR IN MIND THAT WEST POINT, IF YOU ARE ACCEPTED, IS TUITION
FREE SO YOU WOULD NOT NEED A SCHOLARSHIP.
IT IS A COMPLICATED MATTER.
DID HE LIE?
>>YES.
NOT EVEN CLOSE TO COMPLICATED.
HE ABSOLUTELY LIED.
THAT IS NOT UNCLEAR, IT IS VERY CLEAR.
YOU GET A FULL
SCHOLARSHIP WHEN YOU APPLY.
HE IS A BAD LIAR.
I SAW THAT, I HAD
DINNER WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL MEDAL WINNERS AND THE GENERAL,
LATER I WAS OFFERED A FULL SCHOLARSHIP TO WEST POINT.
IT
MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY OFFERED HIM A SCHOLARSHIP OVER DINNER.
THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO TELL A LIE, DON'T
TELL IT THAT WAY, BECAUSE ANYONE WITH ANY KIND OF ANTENNA FOR
THIS GOES, I SMELL BULLSHIT.
HE IS A BAD LIAR IN EVERY WAY.
IF
YOU PUT IT IN A BOOK, HOW DO YOU NOT DOUBLE CHECK IF THERE ARE
SCHOLARSHIPS TO WEST POINT?
IT TURNS OUT IT IS FREE TUITION.
WHY DIDN'T YOU DOUBLE CHECK?
YOU ARE NOT ONLY A LIAR, YOU ARE
LAZY.
>> ALSO THEY DO SUCH GOOD RECORD-KEEPING IN THE MILITARY,
PEOPLE CHECKED WHERE THAT GENERAL WAS THAT DAY AND THEY
SAID HE WAS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR BEN CARSON AND THAT IN FACT HE
WAS IN DC, HE HAD LUNCH IN DC AND THEN HE PLAYED TENNIS LATER
THAT AFTERNOON.
THIS IS A 1969, THEY KNOW WHAT THE FUCK HE DID.
HE PLAYED TENNIS THAT DAY.
THAT IS ANOTHER LEVEL TO IT.
HE HAS
ADMITTED TO THIS LIE, THEY ADMITTED THE WEST POINT THING,
BUT HE STANDS BEHIND ALL THE OTHER CRAZY BULLSHIT HE SAID.
>>TO THE POINT OF HIM BEING A BAD LIAR, REMEMBER HOW HE SAID A
GUY TRIED TO STAB HIM, OR HE TRIED TO STAB A GUY?
HE MADE UP
THEIR NAMES, AND THEY ARE LIKE, LET'S LOOK FOR A GUY NAMED BOB
THAT YOU SAID YOU DID THIS TO -- HE IS LIKE, YEAH, THOSE WERE NOT
THEIR REAL NAMES.
THEY SAID OKAY, YOU SAID IT WAS A KID FROM
SCHOOL.
SO THEY INTERVIEWED THE KIDS IN THE SCHOOL WHO ARE NOW
GROWN UPS, AND THEY ARE LIKE, WE WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THAT.
THAT
WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG DEAL, A STABBING AT THE SCHOOL.
THEN HE
CHANGED IT TO, IT WAS A CLOSE RELATIVE.
OKAY, WHO IS IT?
I
DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM ON THE SPOT.
WHAT IS PUTTING THEM ON
THE SPOT?
BUT I KNEW FROM DAY ONE, BECAUSE HE SAID HE TRIED TO
STAB HIM AND THE KNIFE LUCKILY HIT HIS BIG BELT BUCKLE AND
DIDN'T GO IN.
WHAT BULLSHIT, OBVIOUS LIE.
I GOT LUCKY, LOOK,
IT'S BENT AND I COULDN'T -- IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE I HAD A
VIOLENT PAST AND THIS IS A STORY OF REDEMPTION WHEN I FOUND
JESUS.
BUT DON'T WORRY, I DIDN'T HURT ANYONE BECAUSE I GOT LUCKY
WITH THE BELT BUCKLE.
WHERE WERE YOU, TEXAS?
>>DID YOU TRY TO STAB A RODEO RIDER?
>>HE SEEMS SO NICE, BUT APPARENTLY WHEN HE STABS
YOU HE AIMS FOR THE CROTCH.
>>HE LIES WITH GREAT SPECIFICITY, WHICH IS USUALLY A
GREAT THING TO DO WHEN YOU ARE LYING.
PRO TIP, IF YOU ARE
LYING, LAY OUT A BUNCH OF DETAILS.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU
ARE LYING IN A BOOK, AT SOME POINT PEOPLE MIGHT DOUBLE CHECK
THE DETAILS.
AND THESE LIES ARE SO RICH WITH DETAILS THAT THIS
GUY DOES NOT HAVE A CHANCE.
THERE IS NO HIGH GROUND FOR HIM.
HE'S BEING FLOODED BY HIS LIES.
THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
>>THE LIES ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, YOU TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY.
NOW
WE HAVE BEN CARSON BEING INTERVIEWED, IT GETS A LITTLE
BIT HEATED.
HE DOES NOT LIKE BEING CALLED A LIAR, BUT HE
SHOULD GET USED TO IT BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMMON FROM NOW ON.
WE
WANT TO SHOW YOU HIS BACK AND FORTH ON CNN ABOUT HIS
VIOLENT PAST.
>> ONE OF THE TACTICS THAT IS USED BY YOU GUYS IN THE MEDIA,
PARTICULARLY WHEN SOMEBODY IS DOING WELL, IS, LET'S FIND A WAY
TO GET THEM DISTRACTED AND GET ALL THE PEOPLE DISTRACTED SO
THAT WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THE REAL ISSUES.
AND I AM SIMPLY NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
>>DR.
CARSON, I KNOW YOU CALL THIS TACTICS -- IT IS CALLED
VETTING IN POLITICS.
YOU KNOW IT WELL.
>>IS THAT WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE CURRENT PRESIDENT?
IS THAT WHAT YOU DID WITH HIM?
>>YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
>>NO YOU DID NOT.
>>PRESIDENT OBAMA'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY, DREAMS OF MY
FATHER, WAS ALSO VETTED.
>>GIMME A BREAK.
>>AS SOON AS YOU DROP OUT YOU WILL GET A BREAK.
A GREAT
FOLLOW-UP TO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU ARE LAYING OUT THAT
YOU HAVE A GRIEVANCE WITH THE MEDIA THAT THEY DID NOT VET
OBAMA WELL ENOUGH.
BUT NOW YOU DON'T LIKE THAT WE ARE
APPARENTLY DOING WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE WITH YOU.
SHOULDN'T
YOU BE HAPPY WE ARE VETTING YOU?
>>ARE YOU SAYING HE'S INCONSISTENT?
>>THEY PICKED DREAMS OF MY FATHER APART WITH A FINE TOOTH
COMB.
DO YOU THINK FOX NEWS WAS LIKE, LET'S NOT LOOK INTO
OBAMA'S BOOK?
THEY LOOKED INTO IT, BUT IT WASN'T JUST FOX NEWS.
THE NEW YORK TIMES, STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT THAT BOOK.
THEN FOX
NEWS WROTE AN INTERNAL MEMO WHICH WAS LATER REVEALED IN A
WAY THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH, THAT SAID, MAKE SURE YOU TAKE
DREAMS OF MY FATHER AND THEN, BASED ON A IT, CALL OBAMA A
MARXIST AND SOCIALIST.
SO YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE YOU
OBVIOUSLY LIED IN IT.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS CENK, I WILL PICK
APART YOUR STORY ON X OR Y, I GO, HAVE AT IT, HOSS.
IF I PUT
THAT STORY IN A BOOK, GO AHEAD.
IF I TRY TO STAB A GUY, AND BY
THE WAY, WEIRD THING TO BE PROUD OF, I WOULD KNOW WHO I TRIED TO
STAB.
IF I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND THERE IS A
CONTROVERSY OVER WHETHER I DID IT OR NOT, I MIGHT MILK IT FOR A
COUPLE OF DAYS, YOU GUYS ARE SO UNFAIR TO ME, AND THEN I WOULD
BRING THE GUY OUT.
>> THE GUY WHO YOU CREDIT AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
LIFE-CHANGING EVENT WHERE YOU FOUND JESUS AND FOUND YOUR
CALLING, WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE AN AMAZING MOMENT BETWEEN
RELATIVES?
YOU WOULD BRING HIM OUT.
>>THAT IS THE OTHER THING HE IS DOING, HE IS QUITE CLEVER.
THAT
IS, LET ME SHOW YOU THIS HARDSCRABBLE LIFE I HAD, UP FROM
THE STREETS, AND HOW I FOUND THE LIGHT WITH JESUS AND THIS NEW
WAY.
OF COURSE MANY PEOPLE SIGNED ON TO THAT.
IT WAS
EFFECTIVE.
BUT IT WAS HONESTLY A NARRATIVE BASED ON --
>>OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT VET BARACK OBAMA.
THAT IS WHY I KNOW
WHAT A LONGFORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS.
HE IS THE FIRST
GUY WHO EVER HAD TO PRODUCE THAT.
THEY WERE ASKING FOR HIS
COLLEGE RECORDS.
GEORGE BUSH SKIPPED OUT ON THE NATIONAL
GUARD FOR A YEAR, TALK ABOUT NOT VETTING A MOTHERFUCKER.
ALL OF A
SUDDEN WE GET THE GUY WHO WAS CLEAN AS A WHISTLE, OBAMA, AND
THEY WANT TO SEE HIS LONGFORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
BUT THAT IS
BEN CARSON, HE BELIEVES THAT BECAUSE HE LIVES INSIDE THE
RIGHT-WING BUBBLE.
HE HAS NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAY WE VETTED
BARACK OBAMA, HE IS ONLY HEARD THE OPPOSITE.
HE IS FLUMMOXED
WHEN SHE SAYS THAT.
>>THE LYING IS NOT WHAT BOTHERS ME MOST ABOUT BEN CARSON, IT IS
THE STORY HE CREATED WITH THAT LIE.
THE STORY OF, I WAS A
VIOLENT BLACK KID, JUST LIKE REPUBLICAN VOTERS WOULD EXPECT.
AND I WAS TAMED BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
AND I DID IT ALL
BY MYSELF.
THERE IS THIS MOMENT OF SALVATION WHEN HE GOES INTO A
BATHROOM, LOCKS HIMSELF IN, TALKS TO JESUS, COMES OUT AND HE IS
CHANGED.
HE DID NOT NEED ANY ASSISTANCE, DID NOT NEED
MEDICAID, FOOD STAMPS, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, ANY OF THAT.
ALL HE NEEDED WAS JESUS CHRIST TO TAME THE SAVAGE THAT HE WAS.
IT IS NOT JUST THE KNIFE STORY, HE TALKS ABOUT PUNCHING A GUY IN
THE FACE WITH A LOCK, AGAIN A GUY NOBODY CAN FIND, AGAIN A
STORY PEOPLE MIGHT REMEMBER IN SCHOOL, THIS GIANT FIGHT -- HE
THREW A ROCK AT SOMEBODY'S FACE AND BROKE HIS GLASSES, WHAT A
SAVAGE HE WAS.
THANK GOD YOU TAMED HIM.
IF THAT IS A LIE YOU
CONCOCTED TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, YOU ARE A VILE, DISGUSTING GUY.
YOU ARE THROWING EVERYONE ELSE UNDER THE BUS.
YOU ARE SAYING,
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THEM.
THEY ARE VIOLENT SAVAGES, SO IF YOU
DON'T TAME THEM YOU KNOW HOW THEY WILL TURN OUT.
>>AND IF YOU DON'T TAME THEM WITH CHRISTIANITY, IF YOU TAME
THEM WITH ISLAM, THAT IS THE WORST.
>>I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU ARE DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF
YOU DON'T.
APPARENTLY IT HAS BECOME THE IN THING TO BURN
BLACK CHURCHES DOWN THE PAST YEAR.
BUT ALSO WE DO KNOW FROM
THEM TALKING TO KIDS AT HIS SCHOOL THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A
TRANSFORMATION FROM AN ANGRY, ILL TEMPERED KID TO SOME PLACID
-- HE WAS APPARENTLY ALWAYS A LAZY, SLEEPY CHILD FROM THE TIME
HE WAS YOUNG.
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS, BUT IF YOU ARE, I
IMAGINE IT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, BUT THE STORY OF HOW YOU FOUND
JESUS, IF YOU HAVE BEEN LYING ABOUT THAT, I WOULD QUESTION
PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH RELIGION AT THAT POINT.