- [Producer] Please state your names,
how you identify and how you know each other.
- My name name's Taylor, I identify as a male.
- I'm Kimber, I identify she, her, hers, trans female.
We've been together for about a year.
We currently live together
and are just going through life together.
- I'm BeBe and I identify as a trans female.
- Hi, I'm Kyle and I identify as a man.
- I know this, this one, cause he's my main.
I've known him for like eight months.
- In the beginning it was like, the COVID thing,
we weren't able to like to like see each other a lot.
We eventually just kind of sucked it up one day
and met up with each other and we,
then we kind of just been stuck together ever since.
- Stuck together, no.
I actually think he told me I was the girl of his dreams.
So I remember that.
- [Producer] Can you speak to the happiness
you've found with each other
and what was it like getting there?
- I asked her to come up to my cabin
that's in the Angeles National Forest.
- And of course I was like, "Oh, a man in a cabin
who wants me to come see him, okay, sure!"
- I was surprised, I was like,
"You don't think I'm a killer, geeze!"
- I brought my dog just so that way
I could have a little protection,
but he was super sweet and we kind of
just hit it off right off the bat, he's my rock.
- I mean, I made him chase me for awhile, for sure.
- I was burned pretty bad before,
so I wanted to make sure he was someone
worth getting to know and, kind of protecting myself.
But as soon as I kind of let my guard down
it was like best friends before love, you know?
And I think that's important that it comes first.
So I'm happy that it happened the way it did.
- I'll say that getting there was definitely
the hard part in the beginning,
but when we finally got there, it was like, we were there.
- Yeah. I don't know, it blows my mind
that he finds me just good and perfect
the way that I am and like what I bring to the table.
So, it's like I don't have to put up
that like facade and stuff with him, you know?
Like he's like I see through it real quick.
- [Producer] Describe what you love about each other.
- Nothing! (laughing)
- I love Kimber for her smile.
She's also got amazing music.
The stuff that she creates really gets my socks off.
- He can make the best out of
the worst situation and I love it.
We could be walking down the street and there could be
someone who's homeless and he's the first person
to spark the conversation, give them money, talk to them,
wanna have a good, better day, you know?
So like when I first found
that out about him, I was in love.
- She just listens, honestly, I mean,
I've never had anyone that's ever
listened to me like the way she does.
So it makes me pretty happy.
- And he's like the first guy who really
just wanted to get to know me
and not like get to know my body, I think.
So having an intellectual connection
with Kyle's been the most rewarding thing, I think.
- [Producer] Have you shared any
coming out experiences together?
- Overall sharing the fact that I was with Kimber
with my father was really hard for the conservative man,
Christian values that interfere with us.
And so it's been a rough going.
- We haven't met yet, but we will in the future.
I'm sure that it'll be amazing - Yeah, he's coming around.
- And my stepmom is definitely jabbing him
in the side in order to get him to respect
who we are together because he's stubborn.
- My family, on the opposite, is very supportive.
My mom is incredible, she's like my best friend.
And she talks to him on FaceTime just as much
as she talks to me, so, (laughing) yeah.
- It's lovely.
- So my mom was asking me about my new girlfriend,
we were talking a little bit and I told her
my girlfriend's trans and she took it really well.
And she was really supportive.
And I was super surprised because for a while I was worried
that she was going to maybe make a comment
about not having children or something like that.
But she was super supportive and really happy for me.
And just glad that I'm just happy
and that's all that really matters now.
I mean, that's what it's all it is.
- Like I've come out a million times on my own,
in gender expression and sexual identity and stuff,
and I just had to be like,
"Oh, I'm dating another cis-dude," you know?
- [Producer] Are there any obstacles
you've encountered being open about your relationship?
- As far as men on the street, giving us vulgar looks,
I'd never bring it up to Kimber.
- I never see it. - I was dealing with it
in my head, she doesn't see it 'cause she's not looking
and I'm the aggressor that's waiting
for someone to do something.
So obviously I'm like, if anything needs to happen,
you understand as well that like, you know?
So, and obviously I'm not trying to share with Kimber
on the street, if someone is looking at us wrongly, so.
- I mean, to be honest, I've been looked at my entire life.
So I'm like, "Look at me, girl,
keep looking, I love it!"
- Everyone needs to understand that
it's just another relationship, you know?
It's two people loving each other and it's not always
about like trans or cis or this or that, so.
- [Producer] What advice do you have for other men
out there who are attracted to trans women?
- To stop sexualizing trans women, they're people,
just like you and I, and they have feelings, too,
and when you put them in a box like that,
it's wrong, I think, so, that's probably my biggest thing.
- I'd say definitely protect yourself
as you would in any situation.
Make sure that no one's coming into a situation
trying to fetishize you or put you down.
Make sure it's someone that lifts you up
and truly wants to get to know you.
- If that is who you are and that's who
you wanna be with at the end of the day,
you shouldn't let your guy friends that are straight,
your guy friends that are gay,
anyone in between stop you
from being with who you wanna be with.
- Take your time, you know?
We've had it hard enough, we don't need
anyone else to make it any harder.
- [Producer] Do you see representation
of your relationship out there in the world?
- You know, publicly, I feel like
a lot of men are just maybe they're uncomfortable
with the idea of coming out in the open about it.
But I mean, honestly it was just,
I think it needs to become a more,
a more normal thing, normalized for sure, definitely.
I mean, there's no, you don't have
to be in secret with somebody.
- There's a lot of misconceptions
about trans people with someone
who doesn't really know a lot about transgender.
One of my big goals is to have a huge
representation under me to know
that I'm a trans female and I do do what I do
and I don't let my identity hold me back.
- [Producer] Do you feel it's important
for you to be that representation and visibility?
- Absolutely, I, 100% hold that on my own.
And one of my like main life goals
is to be successful in my field of doing music.
So that way I can be that light for someone.
And I can be that person, that a little girl,
a little young trans girl, a little trans man
or anyone to look at me and just kind of get inspiration.
We can do anything and we should be able to do everything
and not feel the need that, there's so many people
that's going to try to shush us up because of our identity
or we're not what they expect.
It doesn't matter, I'm me, and that's,
at the end of the day, all I care about.
- [Producer] Are there any final words of encouragement
or advice you'd like to share?
- I think that when it comes to trans men and trans women,
they definitely need to have more
of a outreach to the public, you know?
I feel like there's just not enough.
- I would love to say just live your life
and live your truth, whoever you are,
and don't live under someone else's standards.
- Even though it's definitely difficult,
it's a hard journey, but being authentic,
it's going to attract so much more in your life
than trying to play by the rules
that everybody else has for so long.
- [Producer] Last question, fun question,
is there a double date in the future?
- Oh, yeah, we'll definitely go out!
- I'd be down!
- Let's do it!