( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,
EVERYBODY, TO "THE LATE SHOW."
MY GUEST TONIGHT HAS STARRED IN SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE MOVIES,
INCLUDING, "500 DAYS OF SUMMER," "THE DARK KNIGHT RISES," AND
"THE TRIAL OF THE CHICAGO 7."
HE NOW PLAYS THE CO-FOUNDER AND FORMER C.E.O. OF UBER IN THE NEW
SHOWTIME SERIES "SUPER PUMPED: THE BATTLE FOR UBER."
>> HOW'S IT GOING WITH OUR FUTURE DRIVERS, YOU GETTING 'EM?
>> GOT A BUNCH.
DID YOU SET SETTLE WITH THE CIT?
>> NO, WE ARE TAKING THIS CITY!
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT FIGHTING CITY HALL.
>> THIS IS THE THING ABOUT CHANGING THE WORLD.
THE WORLD NEVER WANTS TO CHANGE.
IT'S GOING TO DIG IN ITS HEELS AND TELL YOU NO AND TRY TO CRUSH
YOU.
FORTUNATELY FOR US, WE ARE IN THE WORLD-CHANGING BUSINESS.
AT LEAST I AM.
I WAS BUILT FOR THIS H. THEY WANT TO FIGHT!
I LOVE TO FIGHT!
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO WINNERS FIGHTS?
WHOEVER WANTS IT MORE.
AND WHO DO YOU THINK WANTS THIS MORE?
THEM?
OR ME?
>> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," JOSEPH
GORDON-LEVITT.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> THANKS, EVERYBODY!
THIS IS INCREDIBLE!
THIS IS AN AUDIENCE!
I LOVE YOU GUYS!
WOW!
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT!
IT'S REALLY, LIKE -- IT'S SUCH A DEAR FEELING TO ME, IT'S
SOMETHING I'VE EXPERIENCED MY WHOLE LIFE AND I HAVE BEEN AWAY
FROM IT!
I HAVEN'T BEEN IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE IN I DON'T KNOW HOW
LONG!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, GUYS!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: ALSO A GOOD ONE.
AND A GOOD AUDIENCE.
OH, THE BEST AUDIENCE I'VE EVER BEEN IN FRONT OF IN MY LIFE,
CLEARLY!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: THERE YOU GO.
THERE YOU GO.
NOW, OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRAVIS KALANICK, FORMER C.E.O.
OF UBER AND FOUNDER.
HE WAS LOVED AND HATED BY PEOPLE.
NO LONGER WITH THE COMPANY, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
>> Stephen: HE LEFT A FEW YEARS AGO.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO PLAY SUCH A DIVISIVE FIGURE?
A DISRUPTIVE FIGURE WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A COMPLIMENT?
>> YEAH, IT WOULD BE A COMPLIMENT TO HIM.
HE LOVED TALKING ABOUT DISRUPTION.
THAT'S A FAVORITE WORD IN SILICON VALLEY.
DISRUPTION CAN BE A GOOD THING, IT'S USEFUL, BUT DEPENDS ON AT
WHAT COST.
>> Stephen: THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST ICONIC INTERNET
DISRUPTIONS.
UBER AND AIRBNB MAY BE TWO OF THE THINGS THAT ROCKED INDUSTRY.
>> THIS COMPANY GREW FASTER THAN ANY OTHER HISTORY OF COMPANIES.
IT'S LIKE A CHAMPION, MICHAEL JORDAN.
HE DESERVES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PRAISE.
>> Stephen: AND HE GAVE IT TO HIMSELF.
>> YES, HE DID!
( LAUGHTER ) HE ALSO DID QUESTIONABLE THINGS,
MADE DECISIONS THAT HAD A LOT OF NEGATIVE IMPACT ON A LOT OF
PEOPLE AND THIS SHOW DOES NOT SHY AWAY FROM SHOWING THOSE
THINGS.
BUT I'M NOT A JOURNALIST, SO IT'S NOT MY JOB TO SAY WHAT
HAPPENED, IT'S MY JOB TO SAY HOW IT FELT.
HE WAS A REALLY EXCITING GUY TO BE AROUND, ACTUALLY.
THERE'S GOOD AND BAD PARTS TO THAT.
THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE PRETTY BAD THINGS
IN THE WORLD, LIKE THE PRESIDENT WE ELECTED IN 2016, WHO, YOU
KNOW, WAS PRETTY EXCITING TO BE AROUND, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST
BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S EXCITING TO BE AROUND DOESN'T MEAN THAT
THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
>> Stephen: SURE.
A FIRE IN A FIREWORKS FACTORY ALSO VERY EXCITING BUT YOU DON'T
WANT TO BE AROUND IT.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING, WE ACTUALLY HAD HIM
ON, WE HAD TRAVIS KALANICK ON IN 2015.
YOU SAW THAT.
>> OF COURSE.
>> Stephen: THERE'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T SHOW ANYBODY THAT
NIGHT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE GOT MAD AT HIM BECAUSE HE WAS DISRUPTING
THE LIVERY AND CAB SERVICE.
A CABBIE OR SOMEONE FROM THE CAB DRIVERS UNION WAS HERE THAT
NIGHT THAT WE HAD HIM ON AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
>> WHOA, REEL?
>> Stephen: FIRST OF ALL, AM I WORKING FOR YOU?
IF I'M AN UBER DRIVER AM I WORKING FOR YOU.
>> YOU WORK WHEN YOU WANT.
>> Stephen: AM I YOUR EMPLOYEE?
( SHOUTING ) >> RESPECT PROFESSIONAL
FULL-TIME WORK!
>> Stephen: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
I DIDN'T INVITE THEM HERE.
BUT WHAT'S YOUR COMPLAINT?
>> UBER EXPLOITS TAXI DRIVERS FOR PROFITS AND KILLS
PROFESSIONAL FULL-TIME WORK IN THE TAXI INDUSTRY.
>> Stephen: OKAY, I HEARD YOU, AND I WILL ASK HIM THAT
QUESTION.
WILL YOU SIT DOWN.
THANK YOU.
THAT'S MY COUSIN.
I APOLOGIZE.
( LAUGHTER ) SO I DID ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
>> OKAY, YEAH.
>> Stephen: AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, ANYBODY AT HOME, WE
DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THE AIR BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO
COME HERE AND YELL AT MY GUESTS, THAT'S MY JOB.
>> I'D NEVER SEEN THAT.
WHAT THAT GUY IS SAYING IS FAIR.
THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE THAT UBER WAS SYSTEMATICALLY BREAKING
THAT ARE THERE TO PROTECT LABOR, AND THOSE LAWS ARE THERE FOR A
REASON AND THEY SHOULD BE THERE.
>> Stephen: RIGHT, AND HE WASN'T JUST DISRUPTING A
BUSINESS, HE WAS DISRUPT AGO WAY OF LIFE AND BREAKING THE LAW BY
DOING IT.
>> UBER WAS SYSTEMATICALLY BREAKING LAWS.
UBER WAS HAVING TEAMS OF ENGINEERS WRITING SOFTWARE THAT
COULD BREAK THE LAW THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF TIMES OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
>> Stephen: SO ILLEGALITY WAS IN THE BUSINESS MODEL?
>> THEY WERE SPENDING INVESTOR MONEY TO BUILD SOFTWEAR TO
SYSTEMATICALLY BREAK THE LAW AND AVOID REGULATIONS, AND THEIR
ARGUMENT WAS, WELL, THOSE REGULATIONS ARE WRONG SO WE
DON'T HAVE TO OBEY THEM, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW THE LAW WORKS.
>> Stephen: YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHICH ONES YOU OBEY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: UNLESS, AGAIN, YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: IT COMES WITH MEMBERSHIP HAS ITS PRIVILEGES.
>> EXACTLY, EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.
DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
BACK WITH MORE JOSEPH GORDON-LEVITT, EVENED.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )