'Sup you beautiful bastards! Hoping you're having a fantastic Thursday.
Welcome back to the Philip Defranco Show, and let's just jump into this.
And the first thing we're gonna talk about today is the just pure insanity
That is the Shane Dawson controversy. And for those who don' t know, Shane Dawson is one of the few
Old school YouTubers that is still around stronger than ever, massive on YouTube
Podcast world. And I normally save my opinion for the end of stories like this
But it is incredibly important for me to throw this out. This whole situation is character
Assassination through out of context clips, and the reason it's incredibly important
For me to say this at the beginning of this story is there are so many places that are
Seemingly fine with putting the facts of the situation at the last end of their story and just padding it
With accusations. Twitter put out an official Twitter Moment on this story with the headlines,
There's multiple cause they change them, "Shane Dawson denies pedophilia allegations" and "People are
Accusing YouTuber Shane Dawson of Pedophilia." And then in that Twitter Moment the majority of the tweets
That they feature are people just bashing on Shane. So the question becomes, why did this story become a thing?
So yesterday video came out from this channel called Pop Blast, which I'm fine mentioning because the account
Has now been shut down, and they put out a video titled "shane dawson is a pedphile. here's the proof."
Later changing the title to "I think shane dawson is a pedophile. here's my proof
And here are some of the pieces they feature
(Shane Dawson) This child is probably six years old and um I was taking a picture of something, and the
Kid turns to me and goes "Oh are you Instagramming?" And the six year old girl goes "Oh um how many followers do you have? I have
A hundred and twenty five thousand. -(Co-host) No.
(Shane) And she shows me her instagrams, which are like--first of all I don't know if I'm
Allowed to say this, but she's like sexy." -(Philip Defranco) It then goes on to say his co-host
Is so uncomfortable -(Shane) Let me explain. Let me explain
-(Co-host) No. Oh god -(Shane) Here's my justification for pedophilia
(Co-host) I can't
(Shane) Here's the worst part of it. I actually went to Google and I'm like
-(Co-host) Oh god -(Shane) I wanna see
-(Co-host) You could get arrested -(Shane) I don't --I know but
I just wanted to see like okay, let me just pretend--Let me pretend I'm like a pedophile for a sec
(Shane) So I typed in naked baby. First of all, they were sexy
(Co-host) You're so (laughs) (Shane) Okay back to the Instagram, um so I look at this little girl's pictures and she--
(Phil) They also bring up that he invited a young, talented girl to his home
(Shane) I'm gonna find that little girl, I'm gonna bring her to our house.
Time to meet the star (camera guy laughs)
(Phil) Talk about another young child that was in one of his videos
-(Shane) We need to hold hands for this -(Boy) Okay
(Shane) Just to be safe. We're gonna be together forever (Boy laughs)
(Shane) Okay. He knows you like Jesus. Alright give me a hug
-I love you -(boy) I love you too
(Shane gasps)
(Phil) And the video ends calling for a boycott of Shane Dawson.
So Shane responds, he says obviously I'm not a pedophile, these clips are taken out of context.
And I want to focus on the out of context stuff first. One the first thing you need to understand is that
Old school Shane Dawson was all about edgy, shock factor humor.
I mean this is a guy that anytime he pops up in the news his past gets thrown in his face
And he has to say I apologize then, I apologize now.
But with that clip where he was "justifying pedophlia", he prefaced that by saying this
(Shane) First of all let me just say, having sex with children or touching children or
-anything of that nature is terrible -(Co-host) Sure
(Shane) And you should not do it
(Phil) Then around the part where he said he was googling naked baby, the attacked video on him did not include what he said right after
(Shane) So I typed in naked baby. First of all I don't understand why anybody would be turned on by that.
-But-- -(Co-host) That's the first good thing you've said
(Shane) But, they were sexy (both laugh) I'm kidding. Okay, back to the Instagram
(Phil) As far as the young, talented girl the attack video oddly kept out
The fact that her entire family came over. As far as they nine year old boy
He was a paid actor whose mother was on set he entire time, and I do feel like it's important
To separate these two arguments as far as context and shitty jokes. Shane Dawson in that attack video is
Being misrepresented. He was shitty, edgy, shock factor jokes six years ago ans it's being represented as
Him just saying this casually. Like back in the day Shane Dawson did blackface to be shocking. And then
Connected, but separate from that is the issue of, is the shitty joke okay? And I'm saying
Shitty joke because even Shane Dawson has called them shitty jokes. And this is what he had to say on that note
I'm going to apologize first. I am sorry that I used to make really shitty fucking jokes
I am sorry that I was so fucking like insecure and like playing this character of this guy who's like crazy
And will say anything and like tries to make people laugh by shocking them
That was my thing that was what I did on YouTube. A lot of people now don't know that
And I feel like that explanation feeds into a debate that we've had several times over that past few years
Should something someone said, whether they tried to make a really crass, disgusting joke, should that follow them?
Or should we, if it's the case, celebrate that someone changed? They grew past it
they also acknowledged that it was messed up, it was wrong, but they--they--they have grown. That ultimately comes down to you
As an individual. And I want you to understand that if legitimately thought was even an ounce like a--a
Possibility that Shane Dawson could be a pedophile, I would be first person to go after his throat.
Longtime viewers of this show know that as far as child molestors go I think the punishment
Should be set that person on fire and as far as pedophiles go I say ship them to an island
I--I don't want them around me or mine. And I know I get shit for that cause some people say it's not very progressive
If you're not thinking what that person is dealing with and I got to say fine, label me ignorant. I don't
Want that person around anyone I care about. But that aside, the story then gets weirder.
The story starts to become about Pop Blast, the channel that posted the original video.
They end up removing the Shane Dawson video and then just begin acting erratic. They started off
Uploading a video that is a series of numbers, it's code, it spells out they made me do it.
The video is a still of an email that read "As you know, his comments have cause[d] another expedient
Uproar in the general public. Make a video (around 4 to 7 minutes long) and use the following footage we have
Collected of Shane Dawson to label him as a pedophile." That's followed by a video that has a still of what
Looks like to be a PayPal screen showing 65 hundred dollars from Jefferey Oscar Levin
That name's notable because that is the name of Logan Paul's manager. There's another video in code
That says I am returning the money, it was not worth it I'm sorry. Then there was a video of a mother and son.
(Mother) Say we know you're not a pedophile Shane Dawson (Son babbles)
(Mother) Say we're sorry the internet's so mean (Son babbles)
Then they uploaded a series of videos of old and stolen content
Rothschild conspiracy videos, old creepy videos, and eventually the channel was taken down
And so as you might imagine all of a sudden there were all these conspiracy theories. People saying oh okay
Logan Paul's manager was behind it all. The general idea the theory being that Logan Paul's manager paid for
A YouTube channel to make a hit piece on Shane Dawson so the community and the news coverage around YouTube
Would change from Logan Paul and the horrible stuff he did and shift that focus to Shane Dawson
So that Logan Paul could return clean, but here are some problems with that. One, the so called "evidence" is
A screenshot from a source that already lied. Lied about and misrepresented Shane Dawson, so
Why wouldn't they do it to another person, especially because they put out a piece like this
That could get them sued to Hell and back. So they create this conspiracy theory. Also
Anyone can use a fake name on PayPal. This channel had a good number of subscribers, probably
Made a decent chunk of money, could have easily PayPal-ed themselves. And that's without saying
That this could have been a Photoshop-ed image. People also pointing out that on PayPal normally
There is a currency symbol. People also pointing out that in that number they use a comma rather than
A decimal point so that might give us an idea of where this person is. But there's no
Actual real evidence there yet.
Even Shane Dawson himself saying he doesn't think it's Logan Paul
or his team and adding, " I genuinely think someone was trying to make a conspiracy theory about me in real
Time, uploading clues hints, etc. I don't believe Logan's people had anything to do with it. It seems
almost scripted. It's all very fascinating. Gotta love the internet." There have also been
Some people saying that maybe Shane Dawson was behind this. He
Stirs up a drama, he becomes more popular. But honestly that is one of the most idiotic I've ever heard.
Even if it's just an accusation a baseless accusation, there are now
Easily searchable headlines that pop up across the internet
That have Shane Dawson and pedophilia in the title.
It''s incredibly damaging, people that are paying attention to the facts and they are looking into it further,
Yes, they know the truth. Guy six years ago said some stuff that were taken out of context,
A lot of it was just super edgy jokes that he regrets. But for passerbys, the general public, they are now
Even if they are not actively broadcasting it to the world, they're going to associate Shane
Dawson and pedophilia, and I really think it needs to make us all think, whether it be myself
The people running that--that really felt like a hit piece Twitter Moment
The outlets that jumped on every piece as fast as possible, just even the general public, you can't
Be this reckless, truth needs to still matter. But with all that said I pass the question off to you, what is your takeaway from this chaos?
I'm just blown away, we need to talk about something more positive.
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Then an update to the Logan Paul controversy we've been covering the last week, YouTube
Has made two big moves. Yesterday just after the show went up, YouTube released
An update on the "further consequences" they had for Logan Paul. A YouTube
Representative saying, "In light of recent events, we have decided to remove Logan Paul's channels
from Google Preferred. Additionally we will not feture Logan in Season 4 of 'Foursome'
and his new originals are on hold." And I will say
This is actually a pretty big move on YouTube's part. While Logan Paul has continued gaining subscribers
In spite of, and maybe even a little bit because of this controversy. And I don't
think it would be too crazy to imagine that a lot of his revenue probably
Comes from things like his merchandise, removing Logan Paul from Google Preferred
Instantly hits him in his wallet. For those who aren't familiar, if you're part of Google Preferred you get
Top tier CPMs, you get paid great ad rates. Google Preferred as described by Google are "Packages
of channels where brands can share their messages alongside some of the most engaging and brand safe content on YouTube." Adding,
"Brands get access to among the top 5% of content on YouTube." And so they're booting
Logan out of that and now his CPMs will be like a lot of us other normies.
And so in response to this while I do still have an issue with YouTube saying they
Acted accordingly and not saying we're doing this all after the fact, this is all reactionary,
I do see this as potentially a good first step. The only thing I'm concerned about is that if you look at YouTube's
History, when reacting to situations like this for the rest of us, when try to "do better",
They often don't do it wi--with finely tuned instruments. They--they--they don't go attack a situation like a sniper,
It often feels like they'll lob a nuke. But we''ll have to wait and see what happens.
And then let's talk about the update around the H&M coolest monkey in the jungle controversy. We talked about
Earlier this week, there was a ton of backlash when H&M UK's site posted this photo. Black child
model in a hoodie that says coolest monkey in the jungle. The other
Options for the shirt included a white child model, but his shirt said he was an expert. And in response
To this there was a ton of backlash, people saying it was racially insensitive, it was ignorant. We saw celebrities
Like the Weeknd and G-Eazy and their partnerships with H&M. And following
All of this a woman claiming to be the model of the child model has spoken out. The mother, Terry
Mango writing, "Am the mum and this is one of hundreds
of outfits my son has modeled. Stop crying Wolf all the time, unnecessary issue here, get over it. That's my
son I've been to all photo shoots and this is not an exception, everyone is entitled to their opinion about this. I really don't
understand but not coz [I'm] choosing not to because it's not my way of thinking, sorry." And as
You'd expect the response to this was mixed, some applauding her comments.
Saying comments like "I give props to the H&M models mother for taking a stand against the outrage. 'Get over it' is some good advice I feel
We all need." But there are also many still bothered by it. Lincoln Anthony Blades tweeting, "I might sound rude here, but I frankly don't give a shit about what
the mother of the little boy in the offensive H&M sweater thinks. I honestly don't care. Whether she hates it or
loves it, it doesn't erase the ignorance behind it." now as far as does the mother response change your view of this story, I pass
That question off the you, I would love to know. And rather debating the point of is it racist, is it not racist--I mean we talked about this in greater detail in a
Previous episode, if I can get an additional piece of information I would like to see a staff photo
Of the people who work for H&M in Sweden. The ad played in the UK, the staff is in Sweden.
Because I have a feeling if you saw that photo, there would be a lot of similar looking faces.
Like obviously this isn't their full creative team but when I went to H&M's corporate website. This is their
Board of Directors. And if you are an international brand it would benefit you to have an international staff. A more
Diverse staff, I'm not saying quotas and all that but just someone who can go hey
From your point of view and your life experience there may be nothing offensive about this
Image but to a certain group of people, somewhere, this is the story
In history of why this certain group of people might have a problem with this.
And the reason for that is that you can't control how people react to something, the intent
Doesn't matter, the perception matters for the individual. But that's where I'll
End this one and it was just very interesting to watch the fallout from this situation. And then let's talk about why Memphis
Megachurch pastor Andy Savage is in the news. So while you're mostly likely well aware of the #metoo movement
it's at the forefront of the media right now, there is also more specific branches. We've seen
The #timesup but there's also the #churchtoo and #silenceisnotspiritual.
And those are working to shed light on the assault and abuse that happen in churches and congregations.
And really focusing on the power church leaders have over their congregations, also how
That power can be abused and then covered up. And as part of this more specific movement we meet Jules Woodsen.
On December 1st Woodsen sends an email to pastor Andy Savage with the subject line "Do you remember?"
Writing "Do you remember that night that you were supposed to drive me home from church and instead
Drove me to a deserted back road and sexually assaulted me? Do you remember how you acted like you loved me and
Cared about me in order for me to cooperate in such acts, only to run out of the vehicle later
and fall to your knees begging for forgiveness and for me not to tell anyone what had just happened?
Well I remember. #Metoo. Then on January 5th Jules Woodsen told the story of her sexual assault to a blog
Focused on dissecting Christian trends including abuse, and in it she detailed the event and the subsequent cover-up that she
Feels the church participated in. And these events occurred in 1998, Woodsen was 17, she was in
High school, Savage was 22 he was in college, he was the church's youth pastor.
She explains that Savage offered to give her a ride home, since
It had gotten late, but instead of taking her directly home, Savage took a detour down an isolated dirt road. She said
He told her that they were building a church, he had a surprise for her. But once they got
Down to the location she said he parked, he turned the headlights off and "Suddenly, Andy unzipped his jeans and pulled out his penis. He
Asked me to suck it. I was scared and embarrassed, but I did it. I remember feeling that this must mean that Andy loved me.
He then asked e to unbutton my shirt. I did. He started touching me over my bra and then lifted my bra up and began
Touching my breasts." But then after a few minutes she said Savage stopped, he exited
the vehicle, got down on his knees and with his hands up on his head said,
"Oh my god, oh my god. What have I done? Oh my god I'm so sorry. You can't tell
Anyone Jules, please. You have to take this to the grave with you." But ultimately Woodsen ends up deciding to tell
the assistant pastor about this. But she his response was along the lines of so you're saying you participated, saying
"Not only did I suddenly feel this immense guilt for doing what Andy had asked me to do
But I also started to feel that this was my fault somehow because I didn't stop him." The
Assistant pastor then tells her that he would talk to Savage, the church, Woodsen's
Mother. He also told her there should be no contact between her and Savage.
But in the following days Woodsen noted that it seemed there were no actions taken.
In fact all she saw happen was there was a 2-day event at the church known as True Love Waits. It was all about
Abstinence both in the psychical sense and thoughts.
And following this she decided to speak up to her female discipleship group and that
Appears to be why Savage ended up leaving the church. But she said for the most part while there were
Rumors and some people talked to other people, most of the congregation didn't really
Know why Savage left. So all of that then brings us to Andy Savage's Sunday service. And Savage
Talks about this assault, or as he calls it, this incident, and I'll link to the full
Video down below but here are the highlights.
"I regretfully had a sexual incident with a female high school senior in the church
"I apologized and sought forgiveness from her, her parents, her discipleship group,
The church staff, and the church leadership,
Who informed the congregation. In agreement with wise counsel, I took every step
To respond in a biblical way. This incident was dealt with in Texas 20 years ago.
But in the last few days it has been presented to a wider audience.
I was wrong and I accepted responsibility for my actions.
I was sorry then and remain so today." Also it's only been said so far one point in this highlight cut,
but he lays it on really hard that he wants you to know this happened a long time ago.
"More than 20 years ago. This is 20 years ago. 20 plus years ago. 20 years ago. 20 years ago."
And here's the moment it ends. "I'm sorry
And I humbly ask for your forgiveness.
I love you all very much."
(Audience applauds)
He just got a standing ovation for saying he's sorry that he sexually assaulted a member of his congregation.
Understand what we are talking about here is a gross and disgusting abuse of power and position.
I mean this kind of abuse of power is why in Texas they have a law specifically about sexual assault in clergymen. It reads
"A sexual assault is without the consent of the other person if the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or
Participate by exploiting the other person's emotional dependency on the clergyman" But unfortunately
This wasn't law at the time of the assault.
So even though it is the current law, police might be limited in what they can actually do. Also
I have to say I have an issue with Chris Conlee, the pastor at this megachurch. After
Savage does his speech that is seemingly worthy of a standing ovation,
Conlee says this, " We are so grateful for your support
I know when you support Andy in that way you are also supporting Mrs. Woodsen."
When you're supporting the person who committed a crime, you're all supporting his victim. He then
Goes on to lead a group prayer and he also wants to remind God that this happened a long time ago. "From lingering effects
Of this sin 20 years ago." Oh man. Now as far as if there will be any fallout from Savage,
It doesn't seem like he's getting any from his congregation.
A publisher of his upcoming book have announced that they are cancelling it.
But I do want to pass the question off to you. W-what is you takeaway from this situation? Does the fact that
It happened "20 years ago" matter to you at all? Yes? No? There's no time limit on someone being responsible for their actions?
"What's your opinion on the reaction from the congregation? And what do you hope happens here?
I'd love to know what you think. And that's actually where I'm going to end today's show.
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