LIKE YOUR DAD OF THE YEAR. YOUR DAD’S OUT THERE HAPPY FATHER’S DAY HAPPY FATHER’S DAY HAPPY
FATHER’S DAY FROM ALL OF US AT
LOCAL 4. WELCOME BACK FIVE GOP
GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATES ON THE
OUTSIDE LOOKING IN ONE UNDER
ARREST, WHICH I GUESS MEANS ON
THE INSIDE, LOOKING OUT. AND A
POLL THAT SHOWS RIGHT NOW
UNDECIDED IS THE RUNAWAY WINNER
. LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT, AND A
LOT MORE WITH MY VERY
ILLUSTRIOUS GROUP. STEPHEN
HENDERSON IS HERE FROM DETROIT
TODAY ON WDIV’S CAITLIN BUSSES,
THE NEW ASSISTANT EDITORIAL PAGE
EDITOR FOR THE DETROIT NEWS,
KAITLIN. GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON
FLASHPOINT. NANCY DERRINGER IS
THE COLUMNIST. WE WERE DEADLINE
. DETROIT GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK
TO NANCY AND RANDY RICHARD
DILBECK WITH US AS WELL. THE
FORMER MICHIGAN SENATE MAJORITY
LEADER AND RANDY, LET ME START
WITH YOU. IS THIS JUST THE
CRAZIEST GOVERNOR’S RACE WE’VE
EVER SEEN, OR DOES IT MATTER
BECAUSE EVERY REELECTION RACE
FOR GOVERNOR JUST ENDS UP BEING
A REFERENDUM ON THE INCUMBENT
ANYWAY? EXCEPT FOR ONE, AND THAT
WOULD BE JOHN ANGLER. REMEMBER
JOHN ANGLER ON SOME COLD, RAINY
STORMY NIGHT? I DON’T KNOW.
PLACE BE THE TWO TERM GOVERNOR,
AND THAT’S THE LAST TIME THAT IT
HAPPENED AND INCUMBENT LOST NOW
, IF SOMEBODY COMES OUT OF THIS
PRIMARY AND IS ABLE TO RIDE
AROUND THE ENTIRE STATE AND AN
OLD OLDSMOBILE AND SOMEHOW HAVE
BAD WEATHER AND GET THE MAYOR OF
DETROIT MAD AT THE DEMOCRATS,
THEN THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE THAT
WE COULD BE GRETCHEN WHITMER
OUTSIDE OF THAT. I’M NOT SURE.
INTERESTING STEVE. WHAT ARE YOUR
THOUGHTS? THIS HAS BEEN JUST
WILD TO WATCH. FIRST OFF. WE’VE
WE THINK WE’RE AT THE END OF ALL
THE COURT BATTLES RIGHT? PERRY
JOHNSON LOST HIS BID. AND NOW
JAMES CRAIG HAS ANNOUNCED A
WRITE IN CANDIDACY, SO MAYBE
WE’RE DONE WITH THE COURTS
ANYWAY. YEAH, I THINK SO. I
MEAN, I THINK THAT THE
REMARKABLE THING IS THE NAMES
THAT AREN’T IN IT. BUT YOU WOULD
THINK MIGHT BE RANDI RICHARD
VILLE. I DON’T KNOW. HE WAS A
PRETTY PROMINENT REPUBLICAN.
ONCE UPON A TIME. I GOT TIME FOR
A RIDE IN THING. YEAH YOU KNOW
BRIAN CALLEY. BRIAN KELLY WAS
THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FOR
EIGHT YEARS. UH AND IS NOWHERE
AND IT WAS NEVER IN THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS. I MEAN,
IT REALLY DOES SPEAK TO. I THINK
THE INFLUENCE OF DONALD TRUMP
HAS OVER THAT OVER THAT PARTY
AND HOW HE HAS CHASED OUT A LOT
OF THE MORE MODERATE VOICES, AND
IT SPEAKS TO THE LUNACY. I THINK
THAT HE INVITES. WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THESE CANDIDATES AND THE
STUFF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS THE LITMUS TEST IN THIS
IN THIS FIELD IS DO YOU BELIEVE
THAT JOE BIDEN WON THE 2020
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THEY
ALL SAY NO, IN ONE FORM OR
ANOTHER? I MEAN, I CAN’T IMAGINE
TOLD EVERYBODY AT THE CONVENTION
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN
WON THE ELECTION. YOU DON’T
BELONG IN THE CONVENTION, RIGHT
? I MEAN, IT’S JUST IT’S JUST SO
FAR. A FIELD FROM WHAT I THINK
VOTERS WILL WANT ON THAT SIDE OF
NOVEMBER. IT’S REALLY
INTERESTING, YOU KNOW? WILL
ROGERS FAMOUSLY SAID, I DON’T
BELONG TO AN ORGANIZED POLITICAL
PARTY. I’M A DEMOCRAT. SO
DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE
ALWAYS SORT OF BEEN KIND OF ALL
OVER THE PLACE. BUT THIS IS A
NEW LEVEL OF REALLY CRAZY
DISORGANIZATION, ISN’T IT? I
THINK CERTAINLY FROM THE TOP
LEVEL DOWN, IT’S BEEN
INTENTIONALLY SOMEWHAT
DISORGANIZED. I MEAN, THEY’RE
VERY INTENTION. THE MICHIGAN
REPUBLICAN PARTY VERY
INTENTIONALLY DID NOT WANT TO
GET BEHIND A CERTAIN CANDIDATE.
THEY WANTED TO LEAVE IT UP TO
THE VOTERS AND LET THE VOTERS
WORK IT OUT. AND THAT IS STILL
KIND OF WHERE THEY’RE AT. THE
CRAZY THING WITH THIS ELECTION
IS THAT WHITMER IS SOMEWHAT
UNIQUELY VULNERABLE, AND THERE’S
SO MANY UNDECIDEDS OUT THERE,
AND THERE’S SO MANY OTHER
FACTORS THAT PLAY THE ECONOMY
AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. SO
REPUBLICANS HAVE REALLY HURT
THEMSELVES BY GOING WITH THIS
MEMO THROUGHOUT THIS ELECTION,
BECAUSE IT’S REALLY THERE’S TO
LOSE RIGHT NOW. RANDI JUST SORT
OF TOLD US HOW UNUSUAL IT MIGHT
BE WITH THE THINGS THAT MIGHT
HAVE TO HAPPEN HERE. BUT
ACTUALLY, HISTORY ALSO TELLS US
THAT A SITTING INCUMBENT
GOVERNOR OF THE SAME PARTY IN
THE MIDTERM OF THE WHITE HOUSE
USUALLY HAS A REALLY TOUGH TIME
AND THAT THEY TEND TO LOSE THESE
KINDS OF ELECTIONS. I DON’T
THINK THAT’S GONNA HAPPEN THIS
TIME, BUT NEVER SAY NEVER WAS
JUST SAYING TO SOMEBODY TODAY I
FIRST HEARD THE EXPRESSION YOU
ARE FORTUNATE IN YOUR ENEMIES.
WHEN IT PERTAINS TO BILL CLINTON
. UM I THINK WE IN THE INTERESTS
OF DIPLOMACY WILL SAY FORTUNATE
IN YOUR OPPONENTS, BUT I MEAN,
GRETCHEN WHITMER IS A VERY LUCKY
WOMAN. IF THIS IF THESE FIVE ARE
THE ONES WHO ARE CONTENDING TO
TAKE HER JOB, AS I SAID, MAYBE
IT DOES IT TO A LOT OF
REPUBLICANS. IT’S ONLY GOING TO
MATTER. THE R IS THE ONLY THING
THAT’S GOING TO MATTER. AND THAT
THESE ELECTIONS DO TEND TO BE
REFERENDUMS ON THE INCUMBENT
RATHER THAN A FIGHT OVER NEW
IDEAS COMING FROM THE OTHER
PARTY, RIGHT? YEAH I WOULD SAY
THAT’S PROBABLY TRUE, BUT KEEP
IN MIND WHO ELSE IS ON THE ON
THE BALLOT WAS LIKELY TO BE ON
THE BALLOT. THIS TIME. IT’S MATT
SUPERNOVA ATTORNEY GENERAL.
CHRISTINA KARAMO FOR SECRETARY
OF STATE. I MEAN, THAT’S NOT
REALLY A GOOD THAT’S NOT A DEEP
BENCH FOR SUCCESS, CHUCKLING
OVER THERE WELL, BUT RANDY IF,
IF A LOT OF MICHIGAN REPUBLICANS
DO BELIEVE, AS MANY CLEARLY DO
FROM WHAT WE SAW AT THE
CONVENTION THAT THE ELECTION WAS
STOLEN, THERE’S A CONSTITUENCY
FOR DEEPER NO AND KARAMO. LET ME
LET ME TAKE JUST GO BACKWARDS A
COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE I
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN
IMPOSSIBILITY FOR A GUY LIKE
MIKE DUGGAN, WHO SOMEHOW WASN’T
ON THE BALLOT TO BE WRITTEN IN
IN THE CITY OF DETROIT AND
ELECTION LIKE IT. YES I’VE NEVER
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT, EITHER.
JAMES CRAIG SOMEHOW GETS THAT
RIGHT IN AND LIMPS ACROSS
WHATEVER WAY HE WINS, THAT
THAT’S THE STORY. THAT’S A
NATIONWIDE KIND OF STORY. AND
JAMES CRAIG IS THE KIND OF
LEADER I THINK THAT COULD STAND
UP AND GET A LOT OF PEOPLE’S
ATTENTION AND WIN INDEPENDENCE.
NOT NOT LIKE THE OTHER FOUR THAT
I THINK, STEPHEN, YOU’RE YOU’RE
CORRECTLY DESCRIBING. THERE’S
JUST TOO MANY IN THE FAR RIGHT
CAMP THAT ARE GOING TO CAUSE IT
TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN
THE MIDDLE, BUT YOU’VE GOT TO
WIN THE MIDDLE TO WIN THE
ELECTION. INDEPENDENTS TEND TO
DECIDE THESE THINGS. IF YOU HAD
TO PICK SOMEONE TO EMERGE, THEN
FROM THIS GROUP OF FIVE OR SIX
IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE WRITE
IN CANDIDATE STEPHEN WHO WILL IT
BE? I THINK TUTOR IS LINING UP
THE KIND OF A SOURCE I SHOULD
HAVE MENTIONED. I MENTIONED OFF
THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM. I SHOULD
HAVE MENTIONED IT AGAIN HERE. WE
JUST SAW A NEW FREE PRESS POLL
THIS WEEK BUT REALLY HAD MOST
PEOPLE UNDECIDED, BUT ONLY 5%
FOR TUTOR. DIXON YEAH, IT’S
GOING TO TAKE AWHILE FOR THAT
ALL THE LINEUP BUT GETTING THE
DEVICES SUPPORT AND MONEY IS
GOING TO MATTER. IT ALWAYS DOES
ON THAT SIDE. AND THERE, YOU
KNOW, THE STATE CHAMBER. THINK
BACK TO THIS WEEK AS WELL. I
THINK IN THE END THAT’S PROBABLY
THE PERSON WHO EMERGES FROM THAT
FROM THAT FIELD, BUT BUT I DON’T
KNOW. I MEAN, I DON’T THINK IT’S
BY MUCH. I MEAN, I THINK THEY’RE
ALL KIND OF KIND OF CLOSE THEIR
ALL FIGHTING FOR DONALD TRUMP’S
ENDORSEMENT. DELICIOUS LITTLE
MOMENT HERE COMES WITH THE FACT
THAT THE DIVORCES HAVE LINED UP
BEHIND TUTOR DIXON AND THE
DIVORCES AND TRUMP DON’T NO
LONGER SEEM TO BE ON AT LEAST
SHARING CHRISTMAS CARDS. I THINK
THAT’S UM YOU KNOW, I THINK
THAT’S TO BE DETERMINED, BUT I
THINK THERE’S PROBABLY MORE
ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE TWO AND
THEN WE REALIZED AND I THINK I
THINK TRUMP IS, YOU KNOW ONE OF
TWITTER’S ADVISORS WAS A FORMER
TRUMP ADVISOR. THERE IS SOME
ALIGNMENT THERE. UM WE DON’T
KNOW THE EXTENT EXPECTING TO SEE
NANCY MY HEAD, SAYS TUTOR DIXON,
MY EVIL BLACKHEART, SAYS RYAN
KELLY. WELL WE’LL SEE. IT’S
FUNNY. HE IS THE HE HAD 17% IN
THIS POLL, WHICH CAME IT WAS WAS
TAKEN. THEY STARTED THE POLL THE
DAY AFTER HE WAS ARRESTED.
EXACTLY APPARENTLY WORKS PRETTY
WELL. YEAH THAT’S MY POINT. YES
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LET’S LET’S
MOVE TO WANT TO QUICKLY WANT TO
MAKE SURE WE GET INTO THE
JANUARY 6TH HEARINGS, BUT BEFORE
OR WE DO THAT THE PARLOR GAME
THAT I’M KIND OF A LOT OF
WATCHING A LOT OF DETROIT
POLITICOS ENJOY RIGHT NOW IS
THIS 13TH DISTRICT SITUATION
WHICH SEEMS SO WIDE OPEN? ANY
IDEA WHERE HE IS COMING OUT OF
THERE? STEPHEN, LET ME START
WITH YOU THINK AGAIN. YOU GOT SO
MANY UNDECIDEDS IN THE POLLS.
IT’S NOT CLEAR, BUT I THINK
SHRIEK. CANADA WHO CAN SPEND AS
MUCH MONEY AS HE WANTS AND IS
DOING. IT IS ALL OVER TELEVISION
AIRWAVES, RIGHT? I THINK YOU
CAN’T COUNT HIM OUT. I THINK YOU
CAN’T COUNT OUT ANIMAL EAR WHO
ALREADY HOLDS PUBLIC OFFICE AND
LEGISLATURE. UM AND PORTIA
ROBERTSON, WHO I THINK HAS GOT
SOME KEY ENDORSEMENTS. AND I
THINK I DO THINK THAT IT WILL
MATTER. UH BEING I THINK BEING A
WOMAN WILL MATTER ON THE ON THE
BALLOT THIS FALL, AND THAT’S
GONNA THAT’S GONNA HELP HER SO
KILLING. WE HAVE A PIECE OUT
TODAY IN THE PAPER KIND OF
LOOKING AT THIS DISTRICT. AND
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH REDISTRICTING
AND THE EFFECT THAT THE SUBURBS
WILL REALLY HAVE ON THIS
HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, DETROIT
AND VERY IMPORTANT DISTRICT. UM
AND THERE’S A LOT OF POLITICAL
TALENT RUNNING RIGHT NOW. A LOT
OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE NEVER
ELECTED ANYONE BUT A DINGLE. UM
SO THERE’S JUST DOWN RIVER,
RIGHT? IT’S A VERY UNUSUAL
DISTRICT. VERY IT’S A VERY BIG
CHANGE. I THINK THERE’S A COUPLE
OF REALISTIC, REALLY PROMISING
PEOPLE. PORSCHE AND MICHAEL
GRIFFEY IS SOMEONE WHO’S STILL
STUCK OUT TO ME, TOO. BUT, UM
YEAH, IT’S A IT’S A BIG YEAR FOR
THAT DISTRICT TO VENTURE A GUESS
HERE, NANCY. WELL, IT’S MY
DECISION. I BELIEVE IT’S YOURS.
AND IF WE’RE GOING BY THE NUMBER
OF MAILERS THAT HAVE BEEN
ARRIVING AT MY HOUSE HAS GOT TO
BE A THREE TON OF DAR BAYA MILE.
BUT I’M ELECTS STEPHEN, I’M
HOPING FOR I’M HOPING THAT
SOMEBODY LIKE ADAM HOLIER, OR,
UM, UM PORTIA ROBERTSON OF SRI
ENDS UP BEING THE WINNER THERE,
WE COULD END UP WITHOUT AN
AFRICAN AMERICAN IN CONGRESS
FROM MICHIGAN. WELL THAT WOULD
BE A SHAME AND PORSCHE AND I
DON’T OFTEN AGREE. WHEN WE’RE ON
THIS SHOW. I THINK WE’RE USUALLY
ON THE OTHER OTHER SIDE OF EACH
OTHER, BUT YOU CAN’T HELP IT
BOTH LIKE AND RESPECT HER AND
THE WORK THAT SHE’S DONE. I I’M
I’M HOPING THAT SHE IS THE
CANDIDATE THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU SPELL JAMES
CRAIG J. M DID YOU WANT TO JUMP
IN THERE? JUST THEY. WE HAVE
TALKED TO THE CANDIDATES, AND
THEY ARE FOCUSING ON THE SUBURBS
BECAUSE THAT THAT VOTE IS A
COUPLE OF MINUTES LEFT. I WANT
TO TALK ABOUT THE JANUARY SIX
HEARINGS THIS PAST WEEK.
RIVETING IF YOU WATCH THEM IF
YOU WATCHED THEM, THERE’S A
WHOLE BUNCH OF AMERICA NOT
INTERESTED IN CHECKING OUT ON
THIS, RANDY. UM THE VERY
ELEGANTLY I WOULD SAY PROSECUTED
BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE RIGHT
NOW THAT WE’VE HEARD FROM SO FAR
ARE REPUBLICANS AND ONE TIME
TRUMP ALLIES WHO ARE HELPING
BURY THIS. THIS THIS IDEA THAT
DONALD TRUMP DIDN’T KNOW WHAT
WAS GOING ON THAT DAY, AND I
ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT HE HAD A
CHANCE TO TURN IT OVER. JUST
TIRED OF THE STORY. TO BE HONEST
WITH YOU. I DON’T I DON’T WATCH
IT. I DON’T FOLLOW IT. THE RYAN
KELLY THING THAT THAT’S THE ONLY
PART OF IT THAT THAT GOT MY
ATTENTION BECAUSE HE’S A
CANDIDATE, BUT I THINK DONALD
TRUMP’S TIME HAS COME AND GONE,
AND I DON’T KNOW WHY PEOPLE ARE
CONTINUING TO HOLD ON TO THAT
AND HOLD ON TO HIM AS A
POSSIBILITY HAPPENED ON JANUARY.
6TH NEEDS TO BE LOOK ADJUDICATED
AND PROSECUTED. MAYBE BUT I WAS
I WAS MORE TALKING ABOUT HOW
YOU’RE SAYING WHO’S WATCHING IT
OR WHO’S INTERESTED. I THINK A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AT THIS
POINT. CLEARLY. SO ALTHOUGH THE
FIRST NIGHT NANCY 20 MILLION
PEOPLE TUNED IN TO WATCH, AND I
WOULD I WOULD AGREE THAT THE
PEOPLE WHO MOST NEED TO WATCH
THIS OR NOT WATCHING IT AND
THATS BUT FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE US
WHO ARE KEENLY INTERESTED. IT IS
FANTASTIC. UM IT’S SO WELL PACED
, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT
NOLAN FINLEY, YOUR COLLEAGUE,
CAITLIN’S, YOU KNOW, SAID THIS
IS JUST THE DEMOCRATS. YOU KNOW.
THEY HIRED A HOLLYWOOD PRODUCER
TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT
THEY GOT THEIR MONEY’S WORTH.
YEAH THEY GOT THEIR MONEY’S
WORTH BECAUSE THEY’RE DOING A
VERY GOOD JOB QUICKLY. CAITLIN
YEAH, I THINK I THINK THERE’S
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE’S MINDS ARE MADE UP ON
THIS, SO I DON’T KNOW THAT IT’S
GOING TO GOING TO CHANGE A LOT
OF MINDS. I DO THINK IT’S
IMPORTANT. I THINK THE JUSTICE
SYSTEM SHOULD WORK ITSELF OUT
WITH THIS. I THINK IT WAS A
TERRIBLE EVENT. BUT I DON’T
THINK IT’S GOING TO CHANGE A LOT
OF PEOPLE’S MINDS, AND I THINK
IT MIGHT BE BE FEEDING INTO SOME
OF THE NARRATIVES OF THIS,
STEPHEN, YOU GET THE LAST 30
SECONDS TO AUDIENCES HERE. ONE
IS AMERICA. THE OTHER IS A
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND I THINK
SOMEBODY’S GOING TO JAIL. I
MEAN, YOU CAN’T WATCH THIS STUFF
AND CRIMES. ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IT’S BEEN REALLY INTERESTING
STUFF. THANKS THIS HAS BEEN
INTERESTING STUFF, TOO, AND IT’S
SO NICE TO HAVE EVERYBODY BACK
AROUND THE TABLE LOOKING EACH
OTHER IN THE EYE GANG. THANKS SO
MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE’LL WRAP
THINGS UP FOR FLASHPOINT RIGHT
UP TO THIS ONE OPEN FOR.