and on hello I'm Karen I'm Paul
we're from Avengers endgame and today
we're here with Vanity Fair talking
about one thing we learned from our
Marvel films this is football how was it
learning to fight against a green screen
had you done anything like that before
not to this magnitude it's a strange
sensation when you are mapping this
stuff out and there's nothing really
behind you or around you and it changed
from an ant meant to him and the wasp
technology changed to run with ants
pretend that I was riding on an ant this
is for donut and did you use the comic
books to help create Rhodey slash war
machine I did use the comic books my my
daughter was you know a big fan of the
character and of the comics and she
would always sort of say to me make sure
this happens dad you got to do this and
look how he's standing here that's it
look back off you're not the boss of me
I'm the boss of you your dad how old old
now she's 22 so she kind of is yeah the
comics up to love Karen yeah this is
what I think many people would like know
what is it like applying and shooting
stunts in full makeup and prosthetics
you have it you really have well I'm in
full face prison base prison there's
nowhere for the sweat to go it
accumulates in there and then like it
will just open and then it will it will
like projectile sweat oh it's really
like one of the worst things to be like
on the receiving end of that yeah so we
get a scene you're you're fighting right
and then and it's just to be wearing
that you know with the sweat and
everything however it really helps with
the character and helps me sort of play
her and get into her if I ever had
trouble dropping into something like
that makeup just does that for me
how long does it take to get in yes
say when we have our 6:00 a.m. calls
what time were you in oh let me tell you
I have like 245 pickups we're in that
territory because it's not just your
face you have the whole thing yeah like
a fool yeah from the neck up is it's not
me
does it ever get claustrophobic do you
ever have moments where you just take a
second sometimes you feel really
restricted when you have something like
that
I think that that is the the constant
feeling to be honest looks cool it
doesn't it looks incredible thank you
for suffering for this as one of the
writers was it hard for you to write
jokes for some of your legendary cool
stars you know thankfully was there was
several people in the room that are very
very good at that sometimes you kind of
come up with things when you're they're
filming on the day I always feel like
writing jokes or writing things like
that you know you think of the scene as
a whole and think of it dramatically and
and narrative ly and then those jokes
kind of come in later no way so you were
like in the writers room and everything
yeah no problem a little bit Michael
Pena and I would advise but not as much
maybe as people might think okay so this
is for you don roadie got to get some
actual punches in clip should I say clip
like hey let's go to this camera so add
this is for you don
roadie got to get some actual punches in
let's go to the clip all right let's go
how did it feel to choreograph a fight
sequence versus under the helmet shots
yeah it was actually fun I actually
wanted to be a stuntman before I wanted
to be an actor I did it was something
that I was always physical than athletic
and I just always thought that that'd be
a great thing to do and then I started
looking into it and I was like oh you
you could die act like oh of course it's
a lot more fun we get to do physical
stuff we all get to do it in the movies
and it's like you get to play dress-up
with the best toys and you're safe so
you're not worried about it and I just
keep on to do bigger and bigger and more
gnarly things and let me try that one
let me do that do you like ask to do
more than they what you do they've never
said don't do that which makes me wonder
if they really care and it always makes
it always better when the actor can do
it because you know you don't have to
cut away in your face yeah just do it
from your house it's lucky with it with
a make it wear a helmet oh there are
major stunts that you don't have to do
know and they don't have to replace my
face cuz they've just had a helmet yeah
I got the helmet loved to there yeah I
need one of those Karen yes okay I was
working through comedic timing and
bloopers with the character who never
laughs I think she's really funny
because I think that people that take
themselves too seriously
our hilarious right cuz it's like she's
so straight and sincere about everything
she does laugh sometimes but her life is
more that it's like comes the water
[Laughter]
what was it like choreographing the
airport scene with ant-man going huge
how much time did that take I didn't
take that long
but we'd also never really practiced it
and it was the first time that we'd ever
had giant-man appear in the film so we
were kind of on the fly thinking well
how how do we do this how do we move and
it was there were some simple shots
worth just the cameras down and I was so
I'm sure if you just have to step back
at what was being filmed it look
ridiculous little dudes big name yeah
there was so much going on in that scene
I remember as I was off in one corner
trying to figure out how Giant Man might
move I looked over to my left and
Hawkeye and black widow in a rumble
question for Don how has your
characterization of war machine changed
since you first put on the suit
well obviously Rhodey has gone through a
lot of changes over the course of his
Marvel experience I had a terrible
accident
which I still blame vision for Don
bleeding
which is weird because you think it
would be something character would hang
on to I'm personally it's the first of
all and I are not friends anymore not
you he's had to come through a lot and
he's now you know back kind of better
than ever thanks to the stark tech and
it's an exciting time for Rhodey to have
survived the snap I mean how lucky we do
have survivor's guilt a little bit right
yeah yeah
I feel like I've been picked for like a
sports team or something I'm feeling
pretty good about myself yeah yeah this
you ready all right this is for Karen
how long did it take you to train with
nebulous weapons before you
choreographed your first fight Donna it
took me four bloody ever to learn that
routine because I look like spaghetti
trying to do it
I truly truly did but I think I got to a
decent standard by the end of that my
first weapons were these like to stuff
things I think they're cold
yes deaf things sock thing stops are the
stops I hope there's a shot and like
Gangnam style
no like I called society forget it go
all right done did you have to learn any
new styles of fighting for anything well
because I already knew every style of
fighting
you know sighs sighs our martial arts
yeah which I learned from the Octagon
Chuck Norris movie just you doing back
like nunchuck yeah yeah but with size
what's the difference between size and
not chucks the nunchucks ooh you know
the to stay chained the size are the
sort of like trident with a long fight
with two of them and you wrap swords and
things of that nature and stabbing yeah
yeah and catching those catching a sword
anything is a trigger and the guidance
thing is throwing it no oh cool stuff
you can do in a movie which you'd
probably die in real life if you try
because I've been learning the nunchucks
for film and it's like I think if I
tried this on a person in real life I
think I would get killed
yeah and they're actually a you know
they're illegal to carry because they're
yeah it's a felon do carry nunchucks see
you're not old enough to remember I came
up during the time when that was
everybody had to have a pair of
nunchucks oh really everybody without
got nunchucks so that means we have to
quit walking around with the nunchucks
out of our back it looks cool sure
nunchucks one and then the plastic comb
the other that's in the bandanas right
yeah this ant-man have any new text for
endgame I guess we're just gonna have to
wait and see good answer
it's the only answer really I wish I
could yeah everything good try Vanity
Fair yeah nice try almost got us is it
time for it three camera thanks a lot
Vanity Fair
[Laughter]
good Karen yeah there's nebula learn any
new fighting tactics for endgame another
one and it's another endgame question
which you know we know we can't but hey
maybe it's not necessarily physical
fighting we're talking maybe verbal or
maybe not but maybe there's no new
physical plane maybe there's some gentle
fight there's no there's definitely some
mental fighting channels as her dad
right wait what yeah spoiler alert have
no idea completely now I have to think
about you in a whole different way now
nothing like my dad don't worry one take