IT’S AN INDICATION THAT THE PRESIDENT COULD HAVE A MUCH
BIGGER POLITICAL CHALLENGE ON
HIS HANDS IN HIS OWN PARTY.
>> I HAVE GOT TO BRING MY PANEL
IN.
IN. ALSO SERVED IN THE CLINTON WHITE
HOUSE.
HOUSE. ELISE JORDAN THAT SERVED IN THE
GEORGE W. BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND
SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
FOR THE HILL.
I WANT TO GO TO YOU FIRST.
GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT
ARE LEAVING AND GETTING FIRED,
HOW CAN THEY FUNCTION AND GET
THE JOB DONE WITH ALL THE TOP
PEOPLE BEING FORCED OUT?
>> IT CAN’T.
>> LOGISTICALLY.
>> LOGISTICALLY. BORDER PATROL WILL CONTINUE TO
SHOW UP FOR WORK AND DO THEIR
JOBS.
JOBS. THE PROBLEM IS WITHOUT POLITICAL
APPOINTEES IN CHARGE THEY CAN’T
MAKE DECISIONS.
MAKE DECISIONS. THE WHITE HOUSE IS UNDERSTAFFED
TOO.
TOO. BASICALLY HE IS THIS HORRENDOUS
STAFFER TO THE PRESIDENT THAT
WAS APPARENTLY BEHIND THE PURGE
IS MAKING ALL THE DECISIONS FOR
THE GOVERNMENT BUT THAT DOESN’T
WORK.
WORK. THERE’S CONSTANT DAILY THINGS
THAT MUST BE DONE.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
DURING THE HORROR OF CHILD
SEPARATION WHEN HHS WASN’T
TALKING TO BORDER PATROL OR ICE
AND YOU HAD FAMILIES SEPARATED
WITHOUT ANY RECORDS, THOSE ARE
THE KIND OF THINGS THAT ARE
GOING TO HAPPEN DO YOU SEE A
PLAN HERE?
PLAN HERE? REMEMBER STEVE BANNON SAID I
WANT TO BLOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM
UP.
UP. THAT’S WHAT IS HAPPENING.
>> I SPOKE TO A HOMELAND
SECURITY OFFICIAL SAYING THIS IS
DONALD TRUMP PITCHING A FIT THAT
PEOPLE WON’T BREAK THE LAW FOR
HIM.
HIM. SO HE’S TRYING TO HOPEFULLY FIND
SOMEONE THAT’S GOING TO BECOME
AN ACTING SECRETARY IN A VARIOUS
AGENCY THAT HE DOESN’T HAVE
STAFFED THAT IS WILLING TO
COMMIT CRIMES BASICALLY IN HIS
NAME.
NAME. >> WE HAD RON JOHNSON THAT
COMMENTED ON THIS.
THIS IS A GUY THAT IS THE
HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE
CHAIRMAN AND A REPUBLICAN.
LISTEN TO THIS.
>> I’M CONCERNED.
I’M CONCERNED OF A GROWING VOID
OF LEADERSHIP WITHIN HOMELAND
SECURITY.
SECURITY. THIS IS A DEPARTMENT CHARGED
WITH TRYING TO GRAPPLE WITH SOME
OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT
CHALLENGES FACING THIS NATION.
>> ARE THEY MAD BECAUSE PEOPLE
ARE GETTING FIRED?
ARE THEY MAD BECAUSE CONGRESS IS
OUT OF THE LOOP?
THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP ARE
GETTING FIRED AND THEY’RE
GETTING FIRED BY THE PRESIDENT.
>> IT’S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
THEY’RE ALSO MAD ABOUT 2020.
HOW DOES THIS LOOK FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE COMPETING?
HOW DOES THIS LOOK FOR THE WHOLE
PARTY?
PARTY? YOU MIGHT RECALL HOW IT WAS LAST
YEAR WHEN YOU HEARD VOICES, THE
FAMILY IMMIGRATION SEPARATION
BECAME AN ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CLOSE
TO THESE PEOPLE.
THEY KNOW THEM WELL.
THEY SEE THE PRESIDENT IS FIRING
PEOPLE FOR THE SAKE OF FIRING
PEOPLE AND THAT IS PROBLEMATIC
AND THAT’S WHY YOU’RE HEARING
MORE AND MORE OF COURSE
REPUBLICANS COMING OUT.
>> THE PRESIDENT IS GOING AFTER
JUDGES AND YESTERDAY A JUDGE
RULED THAT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT
HAVE HIS WISHES.
ASYLUM SEEKERS DO NOT HAVE TO
WAIT IN MEXICO.
THAT’S THE LAW BUT WE KNOW THE
PRESIDENT DOESN’T LIKE IT.
DO WE RUN THE RISK THAT HE TAKES
EXECUTIVE ACTION TO CIRCUMVENT
THE LAW?
THE LAW? >> I THINK DONALD TRUMP HAS
ESTABLISH
ESTABLISH ESTABLISHED THAT THIS THING
CALLED THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT
SOMETHING THAT HE HAS READ OR
THINKS ABOUT.
THINKS ABOUT. >> MAYBE NOT IF HE CAN DO WHAT
HE WANTS.
HE WANTS. >> HE CAN’T IF IT’S NOT LEGAL OR
CONSTITUTIONAL.
CONSTITUTIONAL. >> IT’S NOT THAT THERE WASN’T A
LAWFUL PROCESS TO TRY TO
ACCOMPLISH SOME OF WHAT THE
PRESIDENT WANTED.
PRESIDENT WANTED. WHAT THE RULING SAYS IS IF YOU
CAN FIND A WAY TO ADEQUATELY
PROTECT PEOPLE YOU MAY BE ABLE
TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
IF YOU GO TO CONGRESS AND FIND A
WAY TO LEGISLATE WHAT YOU WANT
TO LEGISLATE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE
TO DO SOME OF WHAT YOU WANT TO
DO BUT THE PRESIDENT HAS A
LAWFUL AND CONSTITUTIONAL
PROCESS TO ACHIEVE SOME OF HIS
POLICY GOALS.
POLICY GOALS. HE JUST DOESN’T WANT TO.
LEADERS LEAD.
LEADERS LEAD. LEADERS LOOK FOR COLLABORATORS
AND PEOPLE THAT CAN SOLVE
PROBLEMS.
PROBLEMS. WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES IS LOOK
FOR ENEMIES.
FOR ENEMIES. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. HATE THE GAME.
NOT THE PLAYER.
HE DOESN’T HAVE THE LAW ON HIS
SIDE AND HE’S GOING AFTER THE
PLAYER KIRSTJEN NIELSEN.
>> IF HE GOES THE EXECUTIVE
ROUTE, WE SAW THIS WITH THE
MUSLIM BAN, THAT TOO WILL BE
CHALLENGED IN COURT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A JUDGE THAT LAYED
OUT A LAWFUL PROCESS THAT YOU
CAN GO THROUGH TO TRY TO ACHIEVE
SOME OF YOUR POLICY ENDS AND YOU
IGNORE IT AND SAY JUDGES SHOULD
BE FIRED.
BE FIRED. WE NEED MORE JUDGES.
WE CAN PROCESS MORE QUICKLY AND
HAVE LESS OF A CRISIS IF WE HAD
MORE JUDGES AND YOU GET ANGRY
THAT SOMEONE PROPOSES POTENTIAL
SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEM, THAT
IS NOT LEADERSHIP.
>> MATT, LET’S GO BACK TO STEVEN
MILLER AS FAR AS POLICY THEIR
VISIONS CANNOT BE LEGALLY
EXECUTED.
EXECUTED. WHAT POSITION DOES THIS PUT THE
PRESIDENT IN?
PRESIDENT IN? HE’S NOT A POLICIES GUY?
HE’S A COMMUNICATIONS GUY.
HE’S A SPEECH WRITER.
HE CAN DELIVER A SPEECH FOR THE
PRESIDENT THAT CAN GET HIS BASE
ALL RILED UP BUT WHEN IT COMES
TO EXECUTING, ISN’T THE CURTAIN
GOING TO GET PULLED BACK AT SOME
POINT?
POINT? >> BUT IF YOU CAN’T EXECUTE WHAT
THE PRESIDENT WANTS, HEAD BACK
TO SCHOOL.
TO SCHOOL. >> HE HASN’T LEARNED THE MOST
FUNDAMENTAL THINGS ABOUT BEING
PRESIDENT WHICH IS YOU CAPTAIN
RUN THE COUNTRY LIKE HE RAN THE
TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
TRUMP ORGANIZATION. >> BANKRUPT FOUR TIMES.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> HE WAS A TERRIBLE BUSINESS
MAN.
MAN. WHEN PEOPLE DIDN’T DO WHAT HE
WANTED HE GOT INTO A FIT AND HE
FIRED THEM AND WHAT STEVEN
MILLER DOES IS PUSHES THOSE
BUTTONS IN TRUMP AND HE IS LIKE
AN 8-YEAR-OLD AND WHEN YOU HAVE
AN 8-YEAR-OLD IN CHARGE AND
YOU’RE ABLE TO RILE THEM UP,
WHAT HE WILL DO IS LASH OUT.
THE PROBLEM AS YOU POINT OUT IS
ONCE YOU FIRE EVERYBODY, THERE’S
NOBODY TO DO THE THINGS YOU WANT
THEM TO DO.
WHAT HE’S LEFT WITH NOW IS
CAREER OFFICIALS AND THEY’RE NOT
GOING TO GO OUT AND DO ILLEGAL
THINGS.
THINGS. THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT MORE
DIFFICULT TO DO THE THINGS HE
WANTS TO DO.
>> LET’S TALK POLITICS FOR A
MOMENT.
MOMENT. 2020.
2020. WHO IS THE PRESIDENT DOING THIS
FOR?
FOR? STEPHEN MILLER WANTS MIGRANT
PARENTS SEPARATED FROM THEIR
CHILDREN AT THE BORDER, ARRESTED
OR SENT BACK HOME.
I THINK BACK TO AUGUST OF 2018
WHEN IVANKA TRUMP SAID THE ZERO
TOLERANCE POLICY IS A DARK POINT
FOR HER.
FOR HER. IF THAT WAS A DARK POINT FOR HER
WE’RE HEADING BACK AND GOING
WAY, WAY DEEPER.
WHO ARE THEY DOING THIS FOR?
>> DONALD TRUMP WANTS THE
ADMIRATION OF HIS FRIENDS IN
RIGHT WING MEDIA.
>> ARE RIGHT WING MEDIA
DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT HE HAS
DONE SO FAR?
>> YOU HEAR CONSTANTLY HE’S NOT
BEING TOUGH ENOUGH.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS
ACTUALLY EFFECTS?
ACTUALLY EFFECTS? FARMERS THAT NEED TO START
HARVESTING, PLANTING.
HARVESTING, PLANTING. IT’S A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE TO
HAVE A MIGRANT LABOR WORK FORCE
TO GET THE WORK DONE HE NEEDS
DONE ON HIS FIRM.
CHUCK GRASSLEY IS REPRESENTING
IOWA AND THERE’S REPERCUSSIONS
FOR THIS POLICY ALL AROUND THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> THE PRESIDENT DID SAY WE’RE
CLOSED, WE DON’T NEED YOU, WE DO
NEED YOU SPECIFICALLY IN AREAS
LIKE AGRICULTURE.
LIKE AGRICULTURE. DO YOU FORECAST THAT THE
PRESIDENT TAKES EXECUTIVE ORDER?
DOES SOMETHING TO CHANGE
POLICIES WHEN HE REALIZES IT’S
NOT KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, HE JUST
DOESN’T HAVE THE LAW ON HIS
SIDE?
SIDE? >> HE’S GOING TO TRY.
HE HAS TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WHAT ELSE DO YOU DO?
YOU GO TO EXECUTIVE ACTION AND
TRY TO SNEAK AROUND WHAT YOU’RE
SUPPOSED TO DO.
YOU’RE GETTING CAUTIONARY TONES
COMING FROM CAPITOL HILL.
WE ARE COMING INTO 2020.
NONE OF THIS LOOKS GOOD.
NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT
IMMIGRATION ON THE HILL.