welcome to know what the flick review The Walking Dead Season
for episode 7 dead at Wat AKA we were right the first time about the governor
I a pointer I am Kim Archer and I'm joining my two pumpkin
Tim fresh and John Deidara mom
yet to hit you with an earlier going on no actual with the put people on this
one
with they don't like the on the pop ups not interested there is still a part two
the governors are possibly the end of the archetype did tell from the preview
we saw
it seemed like that was from the point of view the people in the prison
the way I so we talked obviously very in depth about the first half what did you
think about the second half both on its own and in relation to the
the previous episode I my whole
a opinion on this particular artist to episode arc if it is only two episodes
is that rather than give us flashbacks to tell us how the governor became the
governor
he just kinda relived his origin story and abridged fashion
yet so we week crushing down he is no will to live is wandering
he gets found by these people he finds a reason to be a person again
and then he falls back into the same old habits when he surrounded by the same
old problems
and CEO Patrick murder year yeah I got
there were so many I don't know if it was intentional but there are so many
things that made it feel like
that they are just three establishing Woodbury like the playing ball
you know i mean the fact that you know that when he took over the town
he had a knife a couple people in the back and
and so I i mean one other big criticism that the episode is
by the end of the second the steps above and it that way
what's the difference like what was the whole pouring
well over now back to the Middle the season 3 with an assault on the
president but they haven't tried to redeem himself we've established that
this
the point of this even is can you come back he did not come back and redemption
story was
a family are yet again for some value to their
that he was not able to my love that Martinez just in case people had been
thinkin surfer got your theme
reiterated I don't know some things you can come back from
we know that I had anything or just met for
for have there were they're worth to
area symbolism in this episode I thought one was and really well I was super
heavy handed
you know we started out for that chess metaphor and of course there's an eye
patch on the caning
and he's like it's your turn it's your turn Brian I'm
thinking II I'm really bad
I and also
what I love about that is if it's the same chest that no I don't I don't put a
pastor Pastor John a second that means the in their crazy run down the highway
with no
they were holding its just that would like marble pieces
maybe the way back for but yes I'm maybe it looked a little lumpy
only thing was that I 2010 I think I'll
Allen they have a lovely chess set so there there were a couple different and
different
elements I guess along with their different phases of his transformation
back into the old governor first they went on the supply run
they came across the bodies with their heads cut off which was cool in terms
the imagery
I didn't really get what that was suppose to be did you guys understand
that
%uh I think those two soldiers had tried to
rape that man's wife and daughter possibly
okay and that's why he put the signs room what was it rapist
liar and he put murdered himself Adam guilt
you know it was there was another heavy-handed think they're worth it he
picks the photo it looks exactly like the governor's photo of his wife and his
daughter
exactly so it's just there to remind him like it could have been like this
it still can be so the two corpses in the house where his wife and daughter
yes so what was what why the heads the way to keep the heads
B&B just because I'm heavy-handed symbolism into it going on there
yeah I used to play this is just another version of the governor in another place
same Ste you know second verse same as a person always works out like this
and collect heads he failed his wife and his daughter he's doomed to repeat the
same thing and ultimately die again
yet exactly and I love another element of him going back to what he knows best
he know if the guy in the back to good guy and then he keeps them
alive I guess in the parliament I didn't understand wellpoint owners and that I
liked
oh yeah why's that I his reestablishing Woodbury again
so obviously he needs his aquarium I and II getting bigger and bigger it's an
upgrade for sure
but I think this better symbolizes the calm serene governor that everyone sees
and the monster underneath the surface
that he can come down in like look at his own demons and keep them in check
knowing that he is there anything control and they're just raging on it
that compound
I kinda thought the purpose of keeping that particular guy under there and not
fishing of was
like he wants to be able to go back and see a reminder of what happens to people
who were
good at heart a good-natured the united in the back at the turn is on these
here's the zombie
I don't know I for a while I was thinking about was there like a
strategic reason for keeping
for like not knifing in the head like can I do something with Pete later is he
gonna be instrumental and I'm something
I'll maybe half a per I don't think there right now yeah I also didn't buy
until the very end that they were brothers ardent I don't understand their
brother I didn't hear that part but
the dialogue but so obviously that the transformative
element or the the actual seen what happened was he is up with Martinez
Martinez reiterates you know what you can come back from or not
and have despite the fact the Martinez is technically a bill in like he was a
villain laugh
last season he seems to have off-camera turned into a good guy
is trying to run the group in a responsible way all so he did have a
redemption story and it turned out bad cuz he was a hero
he was born 11 yeah I mean so he
he's kept all these people safe a group that apparently is bigger than the
prison group like we saw a huge crowd at one point
and and more than that he was willing to forgive the governor invite him back
into the fold knowing what he knew about them
stupid safe paying you know I got a second chance
it looks like your change maybe you've got a second chance coming so
yeah but apples oranges he gunned down a crime civilians
I think that's different and also in terms of fun his leadership style we saw
when he initially brings in the groupies like here my rules
you gotta follow me all hardcore soon as they get in he's filled with
marshmallows
like his just the like but the animal here it's great here
we're all family how did he keep those people say for that long
I don't really understand that and so then obviously the the thing that puts
the governor over the edge is him saying he wants to some sort power-sharing
agreement with them
and it turns out that the governor's absolute world's worst caddy
I did you buy the transformation or why that would send him over the edge why he
kept shouting I don't want it I don't want it well he's beating him
I think he means the power and the responsibility but he's taking the power
and responsibility by the building
on it but here really I mean he's his own worst enemy because he could have
just walked away and said
I'm not interested clearly you're the only qualified leader here so if I kill
you that
pushes me one step closer all rights to walk away or drive away
yeah difficult that responsibility then to likely them
in that way the kinda the villain difficult yeah i i think what happens is
there's there's two things that the governor does not want the world one is
he does not want to be in charge
that is the second most important thing to him the first most important thing
is to not die and now have Magnotta so as much as he does not want to leave the
group
Megan Meghan as much as it is only the group when he asked Martinez
how are you gonna keep a stake Martinez like air he's like
bach I gotta kill this guy got a takeover and those the two like
that the inner demons that he has that he knows that if he's if he
is going to be a leader he have to be evil he doesn't want that but he can't
die
so afraid of death it's the only way to survive
yes is to just kill everything everything said puts you in remote
danger whatsoever
and Martinez's wanna yeah and distilled horribly again I don't know why couldn't
finish off Martinez like
and then they they found with whatever Mike as a pilot pretty cool
I don't wanna know wanna yet i want to get a standout
on so I I do like that they fit in in this brief time when the there's the
the relatively safe trip they fit in a lesbian woman 40 new
you would do that well everybody needs to find somebody
just because you're lesbian doesn't mean mission finding love course not john
huang
now to allow the reviews I read criticize both that relationship and the
relationship with Lillian the governor saying
come on they're like oh my body is now they've been married for 10 years the
known each other for a couple weeks
so what about the relationship to you by the the relations that influence your
behavior so quickly
I mean at the end of the world stuff like you don't mess around with dating
and courtship anymore
you like okay this guy's a badass he can protect me keep my family favorite
is moderately good looking when he shaves no I
are a whole lotta choices here plus I'm nursed I've got that protective motherly
instinct
is clearly a wounded bird that I can nursed back to health I'm and misguided
Dhabi and I understand lilies motivation
yeah the world it to Yolo everyday
yet if that's true and Tyreese in his lady they should have yellowed
but the Daniel and i'd no chance yeah I was playing double that by
by talking about the person I told by their to like United
relationships are just for fun for me to do on the weekends you want that
emotional protection
and also quite possibly somebody willing to lay down their life for years that
better
at a big draw to be aphrodisiac after that and to the world I think
and so on we've had the arc now the governor his failed attempt at
redemption
it's not going to happen my belief that he was going back to faith judgment at
the prison
I think I could it be that last episode and in turn out to be true
so he's not going back for allies he's not going to build bridges
he's gonna go over there and shoot the hell out of them well so that's
so that that's obviously the climax at the end of that leading into the sex
episodes let me ask you this
we saw him walk up and look at Rick and Carl
then he goes over and he sees me shown any holds up his gun
but then we know that he goes back in is just looking at the prison again
so did he choose not to shooter and what does that actually say about him now
the email think it's him saying I'm a good guy I know I think it's him saying
wait for it I am going to bring you're gonna know with me
it going to be awful so it's when he comes back it's gonna be like in a
really bad way
which does bad I can't mention anything
okay a now no comic book mentioned no count
certainly TV but so it he what what we see in the next episode is not him just
barreling through the wall in the tank
it seemed talking to them which leads me to believe that he is giving them
choices leaving
now means they don't have any artillery shells if they did it would be over
%uh they clearly only have a tank as a vehicle her
was actually kinda shitty big I mean it could have gone over the muddy zombies
that would've been useful
get home legal zombie pets is that there was an unnaturally Ivan R
unit that idea was for that one I thought that was
was the natural okay nothing really super pissed about it and my up I was
gonna go back and confront someone but I just they want to fly with him
avatar yeah I thought that might work maybe that's just me
and so but so to go back to the conflict that's brewing for next episode
are you guys okay with us having that again as the big
is gonna be the end to the sea attended the mid-season I guess we have two
months of
are you okay with that being in conflict is this what you felt it should have
been
like going toward the fall season i've been waiting for
new one again yeah I want them to fight i won
we've all been act like we've all been like start for action
for this is going to bring it and you know Brett not here but he's constantly
complaining about how he think of the prison maybe the other person
him yet we will get some conflict I'm afraid that this is going to be like a
mostly
you know Mexican standoff episode other just all standing there with their guns
pointed in the tank and get done you got the gun was a
know I can wait a minute don't want to be we're gonna die and effective we
likely to die in the previous some
some wheels I'll something like will fight some will fall
now they don't say that after they fall they then stand back up again
the district hun yet you got that would be the absolute worse if it is the next
think they don't have a certain and that a clipping and we owe it two months to
find out who dies with the president
that would be frustrating who more exactly what they're going to do
well know that now yeah Brotherhood in the area
okay they have been stuck in the they can't leave the prison
because it's just too good of a situation to say
we want to leave but as long as those walls are standing they can
you don't take that wall the way they can rebuild take but a
so maybe they win the fight but the prison is just decimated
and now they have to go and find them the voices on the radio
I think that would be a win-win by Allama shown will say hey I heard these
voices on the right people maybe we should follow them for
well other people heard it right to restart it you know heard it bob her
date
you think that would be worth bringing up a shortlist the people that can
easily done except that probably
pasa possibly I mean I again I don't read the comic comics or whatever
so %ah the predictions who will die I think herschel
our home and it's a it's classic take out the merit first
at easy yet oh maybe that
what people use Google shown it could have been it I want commissioner of
death
slow hun a header from a distance shot in the leg or something maybe
no he never wants revenge he's going from a showdown but I think she's going
to live
okay I i think I think the Herschel prediction make sense
I think Glen could still possibly go although if they were going to kill them
they probably would have done it with the illness
to make it more significant I know in less they really want you to feel crush
for Maggie using her shop
and land in one episode bats like
cry scream at the night kinda thing
any Academy stuff award-winning I
that there are looking to have I'm looking for the temporary demolishing
Maggie up yeah mentally fit with England days are numbered
you think but yeah nobody thinks many could possibly Maggie doesn't matter as
much as Glenn
Shirley she matters because I go in at least to me
in nineteen others to more people in a significant wave englanders
like glenn is pretty much attached to her and maybe rake
that's pretty much it whereas Magyar said the texan a personal connection a
bat
yeah want more valuable to the group i meani the better fighter the Magi
I don't know make sure to stop in and out in two episodes ago the
quick shocking isn't good too yeah and i think im least one
love the Brian Harriet campus gun attack I think it's gonna be willing
Yap maybe lily and Megan early and as you know you think I think it's
his or her but the results were going to get everything I i think the governor is
gonna lose everything they fought for
again because of this yeah vengeance Plott Hound likely company could just go
net seep shit yeah but
I swear if you lose everything and then next season he's going nuts again I'm
gonna be really from field I do what I want to be shown
need to kill some of all the governor will fall on you
and cut off his head I no big deal then what happens to be
whose p is again about like and reserved for iPad done
you live in his kingdom under the sea I got that that's just wishful thinking I
don't think the correction will die but that would be good and
me show you haven't had anything significant to do yet this season
finally getting to take them together although she doesn't have really in the
best interest in killing
choose obsess but not like he killed her daughter me take someone from her
who maybe
maybe I don't know if so finally third gonna it's gonna be a pirate victory
Kirk character Victoria Airport fired for that for the
for the prisoners I they will kill the governor but everything that they built
up will be lost
I think so gotta feel the cram all that's left up the
the prison group in a2 Hyundai Santa Fe I
drive of a membership-based joining thought we knew
produced after the apocalypse freshly waxed yeah
but what one ran a point II love the can
obviously certain things have to be convenient but they come across the
Group campers
who have no defense is what so ever get have survived for a year and a half
in part 1 deliver more yeah that's not going to stop anything
button but then so their group decided not to attack them
the instantly demolish like 10 seconds later the complaint against them by the
way
yeah appeared in that group that area withhold campers
just absolute brimming with camper haha missile campers
they have no problem killing you in stealing all your stuff which I die I
think that's realistic maybe it with leftover I love
the group that they killed the guide the guys in the bar the pull the guns on
a Nebraska yeah I guess guys headed for Nebraska me there were other people that
group right love those guys ever what about
it could be that I don't know that will ever come across them I think they were
plot device
and but speaking about so with the two
a episode arc we talked about what it could be
did you guys enjoy overall was this what you wanted the governor's
reroute reintroduction today well obviously I wanted him to
succeed at reinventing himself but he failed
and I feel bad for trusting him now and betrayed so I want him dead
yeah okay we can we want I think that this particular came at the perfect time
because I was so fucking sick everyone in that prison
their work they were doing anything productive where the new brand yeah
nominee I this was the perfect little break from their bullshit
was a nice little governor arc the for me
it was worth it if this next episode if his
if his actions and his decisions were colored by the last two episodes
if anything that he experienced changes
the way he acts yet yeah because it's easy to look at it and say that he
failed his redemption is back to what he was
but he might be tweaked in a couple different way I think so like
maybe he has to make a choice between killing me shown in saving
met the girl made maybe something like that will actually change what he does
in a way that
last season the governor would not and although he's going crazy he still does
have his new wife and daughter
sort of in now if they're if they are there
with the tank oh and all those cars that the city but I don't you leave them back
into camp
we don't need them there for the showdown yeah the little girl
fight because the front wheel exactly just throwing chess pieces
I checkmate checkmate I what was up
get ready for some serious shit next week people going down
hopefully the governor well that was a dead way
a season 4 episode 7 John Kim and Tim
saying goodbye and hoping for a good final episode have this happen
season since we have two months to go after that up