NO QUESTION CHINA NOW OUR
BIGGEST STRATEGIC RIVAL.
MILITARY IS POWERFUL, ECONOMY IS
STRONG, INFLUENCE GROWING.
WHAT WE DO ABOUT IT? ACCORDING TO FORMER SECRETARY
ACCORDING TO FORMER SECRETARY
HENRY KINZINGER, WE SHOULD AVOID
DEGRADATION.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT, I’D
LIKE TO AVOID CONFRONTATION BUT
HERE’S THE PROBLEM.
IT IS A VERY QUESTIONABLE
SECRETARY OF STATE AND HORRIBLE
TRACK RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO
AVOIDING WAR, ASKED BE AVERAGE
BE ENEMIES OR CAMBODIAN FARMER.
SHOULD HENRY KINZINGER HANG UP
HIS CLEATS?
JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS FORMER
CIA OFFICER PORTMAN SQUARE GROUP
CHAIRMAN AND CEO, HE GOT BOTH BECAUSE HE’S THAT GOOD, MIKE
BECAUSE HE’S THAT GOOD, MIKE
BAKER IS BACK.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I DO KNOW WE COULD REQUEST
SONGS, I DO KNOW SHE WAS ABLE
TO.
MAYBE NEXT TIME I WILL SEND YOU
A NOTE.
KENNEDY: FOR SURE.
CONSIDER IT DONE.
>> COOL.
KENNEDY: HE TALKS ABOUT NIXONIAN
FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHERE
CHINA WAS AN OPENING THE DOOR TO
DIPLOMACY BUT WE ARE AT A VASTLY
DIFFERENT PLACE NOW IN TERMS OF
WHERE WE ARE, THEY ARE, THE
ECONOMY IS AN SHENANIGANS THEY
ARE PULLING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
>> WE ARE AND YOU CAN ALSO ARGUE
WE AREN’T.
THINGS DON’T SEEM TO CHANGE MUCH
AND BY THAT I MEAN I WAS IN LONDON LAST WEEK AND AS I ALWAYS
LONDON LAST WEEK AND AS I ALWAYS
DO, I TRY TO STOP BY MUSEUMS
THERE THAT’S FASCINATING AND
BRILLIANT.
I WAS WALKING TO THE WORLD WAR I
EXHIBIT AND IT TALKED ABOUT SOME
OF FAMINES THE WAR CAUSE A MASS
MIGRATION OF PEOPLE IT COST AND
THE DESTRUCTION.
YOU REALIZE YOU ARE STANDING
THERE READING ABOUT THIS IN
WORLD WAR I WHILE WE ARE IN A
MASSIVE LAND WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA
AND UKRAINE AND U.S. AND NATO
ALLIES AND THE SAME THINGS ARE
HAPPENING, THE FAMINE AND MASS
MIGRATION SO I GET WHEN HE LOOKS
AROUND AND MAYBE THINGS DON’T
CHANGE THAT MUCH BUT I THINK THE
BIGGER QUESTION IS, A LOT OF
PEOPLE PROBABLY LOOKED AT HIS
COMMENTS AND SAID HE STILL
ALIVE?
KENNEDY: HE IS 99 YEARS OLD AND
I’M IMPRESSED HE’S STILL WRITING
AND CONSULTING WHICH I THINK IS
WONDERFUL AND IT GOES TO SHOW
IT’S NOT ABOUT AGE, IT’S ABOUT
COMPETENCY BUT ARE HIS
PRESCRIPTIONS NECESSARY RIGHT
NOW?
IS HE OUT OF STEP WITH CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION OR SHOULD WE
APPEASE CHINA AND OPEN UP EVERYTHING TO HIM AND FEEL ARE
EVERYTHING TO HIM AND FEEL ARE
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND
PRETEND IT’S A FREE MARKET
ECONOMY?
>> I VOTE FOR OR NOT THAT BUT I
THINK WHAT HE’S DOING, IF HE
STRIPS AWAY ALL IN HIS LATEST
COMMENTS, I THINK WHAT HE’S
REALLY SAYING IS YOU NEED A LINE
OF COMMUNICATION AND I THINK
HE’S WORRIED PERHAPS INCREASED
PROVOCATION BETWEEN U.S. AND
CHINA, THE INCREASE WE’VE SEEN
FROM CHINA, IT IS THERE FAULT,
I’M NOT SAYING IT’S NOT US, THE
REGIME ENGAGED IN ALL SORT OF
ACTIONS CREATING THIS TENSION
BETWEEN U.S., ALLIES AND CHINA
BUT I THINK WHAT KINZINGER IS
SAYING IS YOU NEED TO HAVE A
LINE OF COMMUNICATION THAT
PREVENTS SOME SORT OF
CATASTROPHIC BUILDUP AND
COMPETITION.
I DON’T DISAGREE WITH THAT BUT I
DO DISAGREE WITH THE CONCEPT
THAT IN SOME FASHION WE SHOULD
ALLOW XI JINPING AND HIS REGIME
TO JUST GET AWAY UNSCATHED.
WE NEED TO SHOW THEIR ABUSES AND
TALK ABOUT HOW THEY SQUASHED
DEMOCRACY IN HONG KONG AND THE
UYGHURS AND THE FACT THAT
THERE’S NO RULE OF LAW IN CHINA
AND CERTAINLY NO CIVIL LIBERTIES
TO SPEAK OF.
KENNEDY: THEY’VE GOT LOCKED
DOWN, PEOPLE THROWING THEMSELVES
OUT OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS
BECAUSE THEY WERE STARVING TO
DEATH BECAUSE OF RECENT COVID
MARKDOWNS.
>> AND THEN YOU’VE GOT THEIR
CONSTANT OVER THE YEARS THAT
STILL GOES ON FROM A CONSTANT
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES AND
THEIR DESIRE TO SKIP THE
RESEARCH AND DEVELOP MEANT DAYS
AND CONTINUE FOR THEY BELIEVE
THEY SHOULD BE WHICH IS THE
PROTÉGÉ.
HEGEMONY, YEAH.
KENNEDY: THAT’S THE WORD, THE BILLION-DOLLAR WORD.
BILLION-DOLLAR WORD.
I THINK -- A GREAT AROUSAL FOR
MARGARET THATCHER, SHE’S
FEATURED IN HIS MOST RECENT BOOK
WHICH WE ARE ALL GOING TO --
MIKE BAKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> STILL JONES AND THE BACHER,
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
KENNEDY: IN 1994.
WONDERFUL.
MIKE BAKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> YOU’RE WELCOME.
AS AS SIGN OF HOW MUCH I RESPECT
YOU AND ADMIRE YOU AND WHAT YOU
DO WITH THE SHOW, IT’S ALMOST
3:00 A.M. WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW.