STREET CORNER IN PHILADELPHIA.
THAT’S NOT GOING TO CUT IT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
KEEP US POSTED.
>>> JOINING US DEMOCRATIC
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF
PENNSYLVANIA.
MR. LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, GOOD
MORNING TO YOU.
I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS
HOW MANY MORE VOTES TO YOUR
KNOWLEDGE DOES PENNSYLVANIA HAVE
TO COUNT, AND WHEN MIGHT WE SEE
THEM?
>> GIVE OR TAKE IT’S AROUND 11
115,000 TO 120,000, AND THEY’RE
GOING TO CONTINUE TO COUNT THEM.
I’M UNAWARE AND WOULD PRETTY.
ALL BUT GUARANTEE THERE’S NOT
ONE COUNTY OR AREA OF
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE THE MAIL-IN
BALLOTS DON’T SKEW SIGNIFICANTLY
TOWARD VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.
I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A
WHILE.
MATH IS MATH.
YOU SAW THAT THIS MORNING, AND
YEAR GOING TO SEE VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN INCREASE HIS LEAD
THROUGHOUT AS REPORTS COME IN.
>> YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE A FAN OF
THE PRESIDENT, YOU’RE WATCHING
THIS RAZOR-THIN MARGIN AND MAY
BE SAYING, WELL, THE PRESIDENT’S
TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS FRAUD,
ALL THIS FRAUD THAT’S GOING ON.
WHAT’S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
>> MY TAKE IS WE WOULDN’T BE
ARGUING WHETHER ONE PLUS ONE
EQUALS THREE.
WE WOULD DISMISS IT OUT OF HAND
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE.
AT WHAT POINT DOES YELLING ABOUT
VOTER FRAUD AND THE COMPLETE
UTTER ANN ABBSENCE OF IT LIKE YE
FIRE IN A THEATER.
THE PRESIDENT MARGINALIZED
HIMSELF AS NO MORE THAN A TROLL
SAYING OUTLANDISH THINGS THAT
HAVE NO BASE NICE REALITY.
MATH IS COMING, MATH ARRIVED IN
A BIG DOSE AS JOE BIDEN WENT
AHEAD JUST NOW.
WE’RE GOING TO SEE THAT BANK.
AND THERE’S NOTHING BEHIND THAT
OTHER THAN MATH.
>> YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT A FAN
OF THE PRESIDENT OR A MEMBER OF
HIS PARTY.
THERE IS A LAWSUIT IN
PENNSYLVANIA --
>> NO --
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
PEOPLE -- YES, OF COURSE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU’RE COMING
FROM.
YEP.
>> MATH.
YOU KNOW, MATH DOESN’T RESPOND
WELL TO OPINION.
YOU KNOW?
IT’S MATH.
AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE GOING TO
BE LOOKING AT IN PENNSYLVANIA
THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
>> RIGHT.
OKAY.
YOU’RE COUNTING MAIL-IN VOTES,
YOU HAVE 100,000 LEFT.
WE KNOW THEY’VE FAVORED JOE
BIDEN BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS
CAMPAIGN STRATEGY TELLING VOTERS
MAIL YOUR VOTE.
PRESIDENT’S WAS SHOW UP IN
PERSON.
ALL THE IN-PERSON VOTES HAVE
BEEN COUNTED.
NOW THEY’RE COUNTING THE MAIL-IN
VOTES.
THAT’S WHY WE’VE SEEN THINGS
DEVELOP THIS WAY IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
I DO WANT TO ASK YOU, LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR, ABOUT THIS LAWSUIT
THAT IS ON HOLD FOR THE MOMENT.
HAVING TO DO WITH A DECISION BY
THE PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT,
THAT BALLOTS THAT WERE SENT
BEFORE ELECTION DAY, THEY HAVE
TO BE SENT BEFORE ELECTION DAY,
BUT ARRIVED UP TO TODAY, THREE
DAYS LATER, I’M CALMING THEM THE
TUESDAY TO FRIDAY BALLOTS, THAT
THEY COULD BE COUNTED.
LOCAL OFFICIALS DECIDED TO
SEGREGATE THOSE BALLOTS, AND TO
MY UNDERSTANDING, I’M HOPING YOU
CAN CONFIRM THIS, ARE THOSE
SEGMENTED BALLOTS THE ONES THAT
ARE POTENTIALLY CONTROVERSIAL?
HAVE THEY BEEN COUNTED AND ADDED
INTO THIS TOTAL YET, TO YOUR
KNOWLEDGE?
>> NO -- THEY HAVEN’T.
LET ME BE CLEAR, I DON’T THINK
THOSE BALLOTS ARE EVEN GOING TO
BE AN ISSUE.
I THINK THE NUMBER OF
OUTSTANDING BALLOTS -- AND I
WANT TO BE CLEAR -- THE BALLOTS
BEING COUNTED NOW ARE THE ONES
THAT WERE RECEIVED ON OR BEFORE
ELECTION DAY BY 8:00.
SO THOSE AREN’T SUBJECT TO ANY
LAWSUITS.
YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT CAN SUE
A HAM SANDWICH, HE CAN SEND A
THOUSAND LAWYERS TO
PENNSYLVANIA, BUT IT’S.
GOING TO CHANGE THE BASIC FACT
THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE BALLOTS
IN PLAY THAT’S GOING TO BE
COUNTED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF
THE DAY HAS BEEN LAWFULLY
RECEIVED AND GOING TO BE
COUNTED, AND THEY’RE ALL GOING
TO SKEW IN HIS -- JOE BIDEN’S
FAVOR.
WE’VE SEEN IT HAPPEN AND HAPPEN,
AND IT’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO
HAPPEN.
AND THAT’S --
>> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, WHEN ARE
WE GOING TO KNOW FOR SURE WHAT
THE COUNT IS IN FLORIDA?
DO YOU THINK YOU’LL KNOW BY THE
END OF THE DAY --
>> IN PENNSYLVANIA --
>> PENNSYLVANIA, SORRY.
>> WE’RE ALL ON LITTLE SLEEP --
>> YEAH, I CAN’T SPECIFY AN
EXACT TIME.
I MEAN, AS MR. TODD WAS JUST
INDICATING, IT’S LIKE, YOU KNOW,
LIKE I SAID, MATH DOESN’T CARE
WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE.
MATH IS GOING TO LEAD US TO THE
TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH IS THAT I
AM NOT,A WARE OF ONE SINGLE --
NOT AWARE OF ONE SINGLE COUNTY
WHERE THE MAIL-IN BALLOTS DIDN’T
SKEW IN THE VICE PRESIDENT’S
FAVOR APPROACHING 90%.
AND IT’S UNLIKELY WE’RE GOING TO
SEE THAT AT THIS POINT GOING
FORWARD.
SO I THINK YOU’RE GOING TO SEE
THE VICE PRESIDENT’S LEAD
EXPAND, AND I WOULD SEE IT --
MAYBE EXPAND TO MAYBE 75, YOU
KNOW, LOW SIX FIGURES AT THIS
POINT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
PENNSYLVANIA’S LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR, THANKS FOR JOINING US
ON A BUSY DAY.
APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANKS.
>> I WANT TO MAKE -- I WANT TO
MAKE A QUICK POINT HERE.
THAT WE’RE GOING, WE’RE HAVING
TO TRACK THESE VOTE-BY-MAIL
NUMBERS, YOU HEARD THE
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAYS THERE’S
THE 60% CLIP OVERALL, 90% IN
AREAS.
WE COULD HAVE BEEN STUCK DOING
THIS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
TOO, HAD WE ONLY COUNTED
ESSENTIALLY REPUBLICAN VOTES
FIRST, THEN DEMOCRATIC VOTES, I
MEAN UNFORTUNATELY THE
PENNSYLVANIA STATE LEGISLATURE
PUT US IN THIS -- IN THIS
SITUATION, RIGHT, WHERE THEY
ESSENTIALLY PUT US WHERE WE
COUNTED ELECTION DAY VOTES
FIRST, THEN WE COUNT -- COUNTED
THE VOTE BY MAIL.
THEN IT GIVES THIS IMPRESSION AS
PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING WHAT’S
GOING ON, I THOUGHT THE
PRESIDENT WAS LEADING.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO
THESE REPORTS, THE PRESIDENT
CLEARLY DISCOURAGED HIS VOTERS
FROM DOING VOTE BY MAIL.
AND THAT’S WHY WE’RE SEEING THIS
SKEW THAT WE’RE SEEING.
HE GOT A GOOD TURNOUT ON
ELECTION DAY.
I DON’T THINK HE LOST VOTES
HERE.
BUT IN SOME WAYS, THIS WAS THE
STRATEGY HE PURSUED, THE DEPENDS
PURSUED A STRATEGY OF BANK YOUR
VOTES EARLIER, WORRIED ABOUT
WHAT THE PANDEMIC WOULD DO.
HERE WE ARE.
I WILL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS
PERCEPTION OF AGITA THAT’S OUT
THERE THAT SOMEHOW, OH, THEY’RE
TAKING IT AWAY FROM THE
PRESIDENT OR THIS -- IT’S LIKE
-- IT’S ALL BECAUSE OF HOUSEWIFE
WE COUNTED THESE BALLOTS IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE SAME
ALLEGATIONS IN FLORIDA, BUT
FLORIDA THANKFULLY PUT IT IN ONE
BUCKET.
>> IN BOTH PENNSYLVANIA AND
FLORIDA YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO
MADE THOSE DECISIONS.
SO IN PENNSYLVANIA, IT WAS THE
REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE THAT SAID
YOU’RE GOING TO COUNT THE
IN-PERSON FIRST, YOU CAN’T EVEN
OPEN THOSE MAIL BALLOTS UNTIL
7:00, 8:00 ON TUESDAY NIGHT OF
ELECTION NIGHT.
SO THAT’S HOW IT IS IN
PENNSYLVANIA.
IN FLORIDA, YOU’VE GOT A
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, RON
DeSANTIS, AND THE LEGISLATURE
THERE.
THEY DECIDED NO, LET’S DO IT THE
OPPOSITE WAY.
WE’RE GOING TO DO MAIL FIRST AND
THEN IN PERSON.
AND YOU SAW THAT IT DEVELOPED A
DIFFERENT WAY.
LOOKED GOOD FOR BIDEN AT FIRST
THEN ULTIMATELY TRUMP WON BIG IN
FLORIDA.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, WE -- ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT
WHEN THEY’RE MAKING THESE
DECISIONS IS YOU DON’T WANT TO
SKEW WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING
WHEN THEY WALK INTO THE VOTING
BOOTHS.
SO EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE SURE
THAT IF YOU’RE COUNTING MAIL-IN
BALLOTS BEFORE ELECTION DAY,
THAT THAT COUNT STAYS A SECRET.
THAT’S PART OF HOW THEY THINK
ABOUT THESE DECISIONS.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS
HERE, AND I HOPE THAT THE
TAKEAWAY IS FOR EVERYONE THAT
COUNTING ALL OF THE BALLOTS AND
ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VOTE, NO
MATTER HOW, IS THE WAY TO GO.
TO CHUCK’S POINT ABOUT THESE
VOTE-BY-MAIL BALLOTS, THE
PRESIDENT GOT ENORMOUS TURNOUT.
HE -- IF HE DOES, IN FACT, LOSE
THIS ELECTION, HE’LL LOSE IT
WITH A LOT MORE VOTES THAN HE
GOT IN 2016.
THAT MEANS REPUBLICANS TURNED
OUT IN HIGHER NUMBERS.
BUT HE WAS OUT THERE
DISCOURAGING PEOPLE TO VOTE BY
MAIL, SAYING THAT’S NOT SAFE,
IT’S POTENTIALLY FRAUDULENT.
RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THAT HURT
HIM.
WE’LL NEVER KNOW REALLY THAT
REALITY.
BUT I HOPE THAT ONE OF THE
TAKEAWAYS THAT WE HAVE FROM THIS
ELECTION AND THERE HAVE BEEN
SOME ASSUMPTIONS IN THE PAST
THAT IF MORE PEOPLE VOTE IT’S
GOING TO BENEFIT DEMOCRATS.
THERE ARE SOMETIMES LEGISLATURES
OR OTHER BODIES OR POLITICIANS
WHO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THAT,
RIGHT, AND THEY SAY, OH, WELL,
I’M GOING TO PERCEIVE -- YOU SEE
IT IN THE LAWSUITS, THAT IF WE
WIN THIS LAWSUIT THAT WILL COUNT
FEWER BALLOTS, IT WILL BE BETTER
OFF FOR MY POLITICAL PARTY.
I HOPE THAT WE CAN JUST BE DONE
WITH THAT.
>> THEY LEGISLATE BASED ON THEIR
OWN CONFIRMATION BIAS, THE
CONVENTIONAL WISDOM TURN OUT TO
BE WRONG.
OUR POLLSTER WAS RANTING ABOUT
THIS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
TURNOUT.
HE SAID, LOOK, WE HAD AN IDEA UP
TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, BUT THERE’S
A POINT WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE
VOTE THAT YOU HAVE TO THROW OUT
SORT OF ASSUMPTIONS.
IN LOW TURNOUTS, THE PATTERNS
MATTER A LOT.
THE HIGHER THE TURNOUT, YOU HAVE
TO THROW OUT HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
WE’VE NEVER HAD AN ELECTION LIKE
THIS WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE
PARTICIPATED.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATED
IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
>> LET’S --