And I want you to speak into this because you have a very strong teaching, that I believe
needs to be heard and I've seen this same example, where people started to go into
forbidden territory. I call it forbidden territory, and start exercising demons in the
heavenlies, casting them out from the heavenlies, instead of casting them out out of people and
they found themselves with some pretty serious problems. And so you have a very strong warning
for deliverance ministers on not doing deliverance in the heavenly's courts, can you speak into that?
Yes, and this is something we've learned by experience but also about Scripture. It's
interesting, when Jesus sent the twelve out they were prepared to go. I mean they were rookies
but He prepared them, and when they left He sent them to people, to individuals. He said,
"If one house doesn't receive you, just shake the dust off your feet, go to the next person,"
but not heavenly realm spirits. So they came back rejoicing, said, "Lord, even the spirits
obeyed us in your name." He said, "I gave you that authority," but He also said, "Pray for
the peace of Jerusalem," not against the prince of Jerusalem. So we prayed for angels to do their
battle, we lift up prayer needs for angels to battle with demons but that's way out of our
territory. And you know, if that's not true, why don't some of these people just fix the world?
I mean, why just fix one area? Why just fix the the bar room down the street that people march
around and say, "This is going to be closed, we bind you." So ridiculous but it's also dangerous
because they have picked a fight with a demon power that they cannot defeat.
They can't. And what we see many, many times, I can just tell you stories for hours about this,
of people that come in and say, "Well every time I drive by a psychics office,
I take authority over." I said, "You can't do that." "Oh yes I can. I have all authority."
Well, then they'll come back six months later and say, "You know you were right.
I should have gone in and witnessed to the person and got them saved." One lady
specifically came in, she said, "We're shutting down a Gentleman's Club that's opening in our area
and then we marched around it every night before they opened. We're going to shut it down."
Well, same stories and you don't have to have authority.
So she comes back like in six months and she said, "You know what, you were right." She said, "Now my
husband is addicted to pornography and it's ruined our marriage." She took on a demon that she had
no right to be fighting and no ability to fight him. So I could just tell you stories. In Canada
there was a group of people, you know when you go somewhere you seem to attract other people
that are involved in the same type of ministry. There was a group that said, "We marched around
the Kingston pen every Sunday. We march around the Kingston pen and bind all those demons."
I said, "You do what? A thousand inmates in there and you're binding all their demons."
But anyway that's what they did and I talked to them about that's really,
really dangerous that. You don't have any authority over anything to do with that prison,
especially the men who have invited demons into their lives. So I go back up there, six,
eight months later and I ask about this group. Where are they now? Oh, they're dissolved. All
of them started having problems in their family, divorces, children getting sick.
They picked a fight and I would just say, and people always go to some Old Testament Scriptures,
"and we will turn down high places" and you know you're going to places that you shouldn't go,
is what you're doing. Our authority has to do with people who willingly come under our authority.
Mothers are always asking, "Can you cast demons out of my son?" Well does he want them cast out?
I can't do it against his will. "Oh well, he wouldn't be willing. He won't come to you."
I can't help you. God will always honor a person's will. Wow. That's so good. You honestly,
when I heard you talking about this first time Don because I remember, we did that too. Now
thankfully we didn't do a lot of that, just a few places we circled around, walked. And I mean in
innocence we really wanted to bring down Jericho walls and we took the Scripture where it says,
"We don't wrestle against flesh and blood." And so we are still wrestling against these
principalities but the way we wrestle against them is by winning people to Jesus, so that their
authority gets weakened in our region. Because the only reason these principalities are over
our regions is because people have given them that right, and so we don't go and break that, we go in
and rescue. Jesus told us to go into all the world and make disciples, not to fight principalities
and I find this, this is our history before. The more warfare we did with principalities, the less
we evangelized and the less we cast out demons out of people. Because it's safe to hide behind
walking around your Jericho wall and actually not evangelize and not cast out demons out of people.
Where as your teaching is that hey, go win those people for Jesus. If they want to be delivered
cast those demons out and that is how you weaken the principality over your region. Not by binding
or going into some heavenly courts and taking some secret position and binding them. Correct?
That's very good. What you just said is very good. Let me say this real quick.
That lady in Houston, you know sometimes you go out of town just to be away from
everybody you know. So I was visiting with some friends in Houston and that's what they said, "Why
don't you just come spend a couple of days and you know play golf and so on." So I'm there and
while I'm there the husband said, "We have a friend," that always happens. "We have a friend
that needs to go through deliverance and she knew you were coming and we can't imposed it on you,
but can she come over tonight?" And I'm like, what do you say anyway? But I'm like, "Sure."
So she comes. She's a very attractive woman, nice woman, loves the Lord, University of Kentucky
graduate. So we did, we did deliverance principles, I'm going to say three hours
and I finally said, I think her name was Kate or something. I said, "Kate, there's something wrong.
Are you sure you don't have any unforgiveness in your life?" She said,
"No, I know I'm clear on that. I said, "There's a wide open door. As we're casting demons out,
it's like a revolving door. Others are coming in." I said, "Do you by chance do territorial warfare
against principalities?" And she said, "Oh, I do that every night." I said, "You can't do that."
She said, "Oh yes." It's the same word, "Oh yes I can, I have all authority." So she said,
"I walk my neighborhood every night, cast demons out of this house, this house, this house."
And I said, "Well can you confess that you won't do that anymore? That you've stepped outside
of your realm of authority." And she said, "Yes, I understand that." So she confessed,
go right back into the deliverance. Now I'm binding the head guy and she gives me the
name. She says, "Oh my gosh. That's the name of my subdivision." I still remember his name. Wow.
She said, "That's my subdivision." Well that's who you've been fighting, is the demon over
that whole subdivision. Wow. And I said, "You confess to her," I'm talking to the demon. I said,
"You confess to her that you won't bother her anymore. That's a command that." His response was,
"If she'll leave me alone, I'll leave her alone." Wow, I have goosebumps. I know.