you broke very big news in the last hour
one is
that there's a tape
and then the other big news is
there is a lot more tape
it was one thing to play this tape of
kevin mccarthy tonight which was really
stunning to hear
but then jonathan martin told you in
that discussion
that this is one of many tapes they have
that apparently they will be releasing
as necessary to prove their points
for a book that won't even be coming out
until may 3rd uh it sounds like
republicans in the house like kevin
mccarthy have to be worrying tonight
about what else is on tape
i mean kevin mccarthy
wants to be speaker of the house the
republican hope and expectation is that
they'll win enough seats in the midterm
elections that the republicans will be
in control and he'll be elected speaker
he's got a lot of problems within his
caucus already what we reported tonight
is that he told other republicans in
congress that he was going to call trump
and tell trump he needed to resign he
denied that he said it he said that was
absurd and he didn't say it
um it's on tape he in fact lied those
denials were false and then what we
learned tonight which a surprise to me
in my interview with jonathan martin and
alex burns is that
it's amazing mccarthy has also denied
that he said that other members
republican members of congress should
have their twitter accounts they should
have their social media accounts
canceled for the same reason that trump
did uh he has denied saying that they
told me tonight i was shocked that they
have that on tape too that's tape we
haven't yet heard but they now say
they're holding in reserve
this is very difficult for kevin
mccarthy you cannot just flat out lie
about stuff like this particularly when
you're already in a precarious position
in these kinds of politics it's very
very very bad for kevin mccarthy and i
would be i will be surprised if there
aren't calls for his resignation
both for his resignation for senator
mcconnell's resignation uh based on
based on this new reporting that um they
can run from but they can't hide from
now not to make it more uncomfortable
for kevin mccarthy but just because i've
only heard this once
we're going to run the tape one more
time and this is after kevin mccarthy
said today and i quote the new york
times reporting on me is totally false
and wrong he's completely denying what
is in this tape that we're just going to
play one more time right now let's
listen to this ratio
okay
liv you on the phone
yeah i'm here thanks kevin um
i guess there's a question when we were
talking about the 25th amendment
resolution um yeah and you asked if you
know what happens if it gets there after
he's gone is is there any chance are you
hearing that he might
resign is there any reason to think that
might happen
i've had some few discussions
my gut tells me no
i'm seriously
thinking about having that conversation
with him tonight i haven't talked to him
in a couple days
um
from what i know of him i mean you guys
all know him too do you think he'd ever
back away but
what what i think i'm gonna do is i'm
gonna call him
this this is what i think
um
no one will pass the house
i think there's a chance to go past the
sand and even when he's gone
um
and
i think there's a lot of different
ramifications for that now i haven't had
a discussion
with the dim that if the dead design
would not happen now this is one
personal fear i have
i do not want to get in any conversation
about
penn partying again i mean the only
discussion i would have with him
is that i think this will pass and it
will be my recommendation we should be
done
um
i mean that would be my take but i don't
think he would
take it
but i don't know
rachel can i go back to a point that you
didn't have time to cover in that
discussion earlier tonight it begins
begins with liz cheney saying
we were talking about the 25th amendment
resolution so there's a giant story in
there that we have yet to learn which is
what was kevin mccarthy saying about the
25th amendment and with whom and what
was liz cheney saying liz cheney
apparently was researching the 25th
amendment process uh and then it turns
into a resign discussion the discussion
that kevin mccarthy denied before before
he knew
that you had a tape that you're going to
play on television tonight
the the 25th amendment thing that is a
very astute point
not only had they been talking about the
25th amendment but he was asking
detailed questions about how it would be
implemented at least according to where
the tape the way that tape goes uh
thanks kevin liz cheney says i'm
guessing yeah there's a question when we
were talking about the 25th amendment
resolution mccarthy says yeah cheney
says and you asked
you know what happens if it gets there
after he's gone is there any chance
are you hearing that he might resign so
mccarthy and liz cheney and presumably
others are having enough of a detailed
conversation about the 25th amendment
that they're talking about what might
happen with the 25th amendment and its
implementation if he resigns in the
middle of that process and they're
trying to figure out how it's going to
play out on the ground and then they get
from that into yeah kevin mccarthy's
going to tell him to resign
and mccarthy's i will tell you this
denial that you just quoted lawrence
from mccarthy and his office today
is absolutely correct nbc news went back
to mccarthy's office to make sure that
denial was exactly what they meant asked
again if mccarthy said he would push
president trump to resign the answer was
no he did not we have mccarthy saying
here he would push trump to resign
mccarthy
is flat out lying about this it's very
damaging to him even before the lie but
then lying about it is just untenable
you can't be
this dishonest about things this big and
hold a leadership job that's about to
become way bigger
well you certainly can't do that and
hold a democratic leadership job we are
now going to see the test of we know as
a republican you can lie like this in
the presidency and republican voters
have no problem with it and republican
members of congress have no problem with
it we're going to find out what house
republican tolerance is
for this kind of lying by kevin mccarthy
and as far as they might think betrayal
of donald trump
that's the other part of it i mean how
do you think that trump is going to
respond to hearing on tape kevin
mccarthy say i'm going to tell him that
he's got to resign and to hearing from
the same reporters in the same chapter
of the book that mcconnell was sort of
gleefully saying yeah the democrats are
going to get rid of that sob for us
i mean already trump and mcconnell is
pretty there's a lot of friction there
but with mccarthy trying to ascend to
the speakership and now trump having
this on his plate
i mean
i wouldn't bet on it
and many more tapes to come
yeah
amazing what a night thank you rachel
very much thanks laurence thank you
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