WE'RE BACK WITH KATIE COURIC, THE AUTHOR OF "GOING THERE."
AND, LORD, DOES SHE.
KATIE, YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR 2016 INTERVIEW WITH RUTH BADER
GINSBURG.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: AND THAT CAUSED A BIT OF A TENSION AT THE TIME,
AND YOU ASKED HER ABOUT COLIN KAEPERNICK AND KNEELING BEFORE
THE FLAG, AND SHE HAD UNSUPPORTIVE AND UNFLATTERING
THINGS TO SAY.
>> SURPRISINGLY UNFLATTERING, AND SHE SAID IT WAS DUMB AND
DISRESPECTFUL, STUPID AND ARROGANT.
SHE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY-- HE WOULDN'T BE LOCKED UP FOR IT
BECAUSE IT'S HIS RIGHT, LIKE FLAG BURNING IS HIS RIGHT.
BUT SHE WAS HIGHLY, HIGHLY CRITICAL.
AND THE REASON I INCLUDED THAT-- I CHOSE TO INCLUDE THAT --
>> Stephen: AND SHE APOLOGIZED FOR THAT.
>> WELL, YEAH, WHAT HAPPENED WAS SOMEBODY FROM HER OFFICE CALLED
AND SAID SHE REALLY HADN'T BEEN FOLLOWING THE STORY THAT
CAREFULLY AND SHE MISSPOKE.
AND I WAS, LIKE, DID SHE NOT UNDERSTAND IT?
DOES SHE NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT COLIN KAEPERNICK WAS DOING?
AND, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY THE HUMAN SIDE OF ME WAS LIKE SHE'S
OLDER.
IS SHE CONFUSED ABOUT IT?
BUT THEN I REALIZED I HAD TO SHARE HER VIEWS.
BUT THERE WAS ONE STATEMENT THAT I THOUGHT I DIDN'T QUITE
UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE MEANT.
I DIDN'T ASK A FOLLOW-UP CLARIFY THAT?"
AND I ENDED UP NOT USING IT.
AND, OBVIOUSLY, IT BOTHERED ME ENOUGH THEY WANTED TO INCLUDE
THAT IN THE BOOK.
>> Stephen: WHAT DID SHE SAY?
>> SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HE'S MORE FORTUNATE.
HE SHOULD REALIZE HOW FORTUNATE OR HIS PARENTS SHOULD REALIZE
HOW FORTUNATE THEY ARE VERSUS THE COUNTRIES THEY CAME FROM.
AND THAT'S WHY EDUCATION IS SO IMPORTANT.
AND EVEN LOOKING AT IT TODAY, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF MY SMART
FRIENDS WHO ARE JOURNALISTS, AND THEY SAY IT'S-- IT'S NOT EXACTLY
CLEAR WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
SO WHAT I REGRET IS THAT I DIDN'T ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.
AND, ULTIMATELY, THAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT, EVEN AFTER, YOU
KNOW, THEY SAID SHE MISSPOKE, SHE DOESN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND
THE INTENT OF THIS ACTION OR THE PURPOSE OF IT.
AND I SAID I STILL QUESTION THAT CHOICE.
I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS WE ALL MAKE JUDGMENT CALLS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE RIGHT, SOMETIMES THEY'RE WRONG,
SOMETIMES OUR OWN HUMAN EMOTION GETS INVOLVED IN IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I INCLUDED IT.
AND I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, BECAUSE I THINK THE
WAY TO RESTORE FAITH IN THE MEDIA IS THAT WE SHOULD BE
WILLING TO SAY, "WE MADE A MISTAKE."
YOU KNOW, NBC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, "WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SAT ON
THE 'ACCESS HOLLYWOOD' TAPE SO OF "THE WASHINGTON POST" HAD TO
PUBLICIZE THAT STORY."
OR CBS SHOULD SAY, "WE SHOULDN'T MAKE WOMEN SIGN N.D.A.s AND
PUSH WOMEN OUT OF THE BUSINESS WHILE SEXUAL HARASSERS ARE
ALLOWED TO STAY AND THRIVE
>> Stephen: SINCE YOU'RE THERE--
>> WAIT, I GOT ONE MORE, BABY!
AND CNN SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, "WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW CHRIS CUOMO
TO YUCKIT UP WITH HIS BROTHER, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK, WITH A
GIANT Q-TIP IN THE MIDDLEAVE PANDEMIC BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TV.
THEY SHOULD SAY, "WE MADE A BAD DECISION."
AND THAT WAS WRONG.
I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN
THEY PROBABLY HAVE ERRED THE WRONG WAY.
( APPLAUSE )
ANOTHER BREAK, BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK KATIE ABOUT HER
YEARS AS ANCHOR OF THE CBS EVENING NEWS.
JOIN US, WON'T YOU?
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