OPRAH: And also what you talk about so
beautifully in Option B is this getting through
all the firsts. And you were keeping a journal,
which I think is really a -- it's so therapeutic.
I've kept journals since I was 15.
But keeping a journal up until that
-- Dave's birthday.
Which I think marked, what, 156 days?
SHERYL: Yeah, it marked five months, yeah.
OPRAH: Five months.
SHERYL: I had always wanted to journal.
I have boxes of journals starting in first grade.
OPRAH: Where you started -
SHERYL: January 1.
I don't think I got to January 10.
Every year I started a new one. I was hopeful.
But when Dave died, I just journaled.
I sat at my computer for hours and wrote
and wrote and wrote. And if I didn't write for two days,
I felt like I was gonna burst.
OPRAH: So it was your way of letting it out. Yeah.
OPRAH: You also came to,
I will say, the hard way, the understanding
of how gratitude and looking at
-- because I've been doing this since the mid-'90s,
where you go through the day and I choose
-- I have journals filled with just things that just
brought me joy and pleasure that I'm grateful for.
SHERYL: That's amazing.
OPRAH: Journals filled with it.
And you make the point that I tried
to make to people for years that when you
are looking for three things or five things in
the day that are gonna make you joyful,
You go through the world looking for the
goodness that's gonna show up.
SHERYL: Correct.
OPRAH: Correct.
SHERYL: So it turned out joy -- joy is a discipline.
We have to work at it.
And I probably didn't work at it hard enough before.
But now I really have to work at it.
OPRAH: Or you took it for granted.
You do what everybody does.
You took it for granted.
SHERYL: Before this, I used to go to bed every
night worrying about what I did wrong and
what I was gonna mess up the next day.
And now, I go to bed thinking of the positive.
But also, I notice them during the day.
I say, that's gonna make the journal.
In that moment.
OPRAH: Oh.
SHERYL: And I take -
OPRAH: I love that.
SHERYL: Yeah.
Three moments of joy.
I hope everyone watching -
OPRAH: Yes.
SHERYL: Or maybe you do five.
Three moments. Five moments.
Write 'em down religiously.
OPRAH: Any moment would do it.
I mean, just because it is stopping and
taking stock of where you are in your life.
And it's also looking at the good stuff.
And I will tell you, when you look
for the good stuff,
more good stuff shows up.