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watched your film and it really is a film
also documentary but it's a film in all aspects and
I watched it for a second time the other night
in you know I could have been more impressed audiences
in a huge fan in this film in particular in
how it fits with the other ones but I clicked right away
down my chin many click the Like Beckham
something about
the way you made a movie
and whether reveals that just makes a a little hard to sleep
bomb in I know
party was the that the realization we live inside a turnkey
security apparatus but they're also its
its its its part in the technique a
filmmaking in New tart about the feeling when you made it
that it fell dangerous in you've done your share a border reporting sir could
you talk a little bit about them
I'm for me
in as a as a filmmaker artistic how do you
not just provide information you know because
news does that but hey you've sorted express something on
emotional terms and and that's what I'm trying to do and
and I think with this film you know I fell me know before I actually had
contacted me I was already working on
on the topic the surveillance and its eat something that's very sort of
pernicious an ominous that you start to feel army
if you went to the become aware bitter you think your targeted by it
and it does give you the sense of not being able to sleep i mean that was
kinda
the feeling I felt for actually you know thanks Ted
its first email me it was pretty soon after his first couple emails that I T
stops being able to see the be able to rest in the same way because I knew
to just the how have deep these powers going but they're also because they're
so the
in the shadows you there they can get in your head
away when when you show up in movie and I've gotten used to know
I've gotten to know you well enough to know you can wear life like a loose
garment
you don't get riled by much and you're just gonna like sittin down in
get into it and a
is it that you've always assume that are your every move is watched in
this is just another day year no I think I'm asked the anxiety really well
that was your impression ugh you know
I had spent the 16 hours on the plane ride from New York to Hong Kong
booking through this extraordinary archive
a copy of which were at given me to to use her copy and i got my own from
for men in hong kong reporting on the plane and so
by the time I got a hong kong I had a good sense of what the brat and
magnitude not only have the spying was but about this story was going to be and
so
there is so much going on in terms of the the threats that we thought might be
lurking
on the danger to our source trying to assess our source to make sure
rival but mostly what I was focused on once I realized that these documents was
was just
how do I get these to the public as quickly as possible and so I was so
single-mindedly focused
first time making sure that our source was who he was claiming to be
and that what we had was what he purported to be and then once
I got that on I was just so so eager to start
putting it out into the world why I thought I belong but I think it was just
that kinda
focus that that is what you're seeing the I'm
were lucky enough now I
through Google hangout ed
enter your yes your your community rest yes I can you ever
York okay so these guys show up
you go through that that spy master protocol that you set up with
Laura I forget what at what the secret word was
and
these guys show up in your been corresponding with them where they
expect what you expected them to be
Yellowpages we had slumber
and asymmetrical relationship 1 they were published in use
so as I was able to research then photographs
when would he would not say looking to
hurt approved by AICTE
I open that earlier than planned possible mechanisms
but but when you look into it in a save file does it say
good egg nice person one actually she was on the watch list so that was that
was one
reasons that hitchens to
to be sure the the quarterback
on this early on when I was having difficulty reaching
one I'll was because she didn't personally inspected
it's not an issue understand Rams she no respond
with as a whistle blower wheel any who was
although the shower me gunpoint yet the I due to
to trying to reveals concerns about these programs earlier years
so not only did she have a little expertise
this I also knew that she was in involved
with people read very high level goals Hwy
yeah it when you climb the they
really measures for natural she chose your cell
that and when wouldn't respond your entreaties to encrypt
to arlen it a change your life
it change the way for people that you a you change your life changing like
in now the great unfolding has happened
across America across UK across the globe
are you happy with the outcome I mean
I you know I agree if you I remember the first conversation ever had with Dad
way
any he literally said to me the only thing that I fear
is that a man unravel my life to make all this
visible and transparent and that nobody will care
it'll just be kinda this apathy and indifference
and you know I remember the moment in hong kong we did the first two or three
stories and I was able to watch
ad watch the global news
explode with the stories and felt so gratified
and it's basically been like that for the last 18 months I mean if I go around
the world as they do in my book
or we still do to talk about things are Wars film
it makes an extraordinary impact because they'll
intensity of the debate that has been triggered not just the united states but
globally i think is chain consciousness about so many things and that's beyond
the concrete changes the
companies being forced to you encrypt improve their devoted to privacy so they
don't lose a whole generation abusers
or individuals using encryption which really puts a wall between the
government and surveillance
but I just think the debate that we were able to have that we couldn't have
before
not just about surveillance but privacy in the digital age and the role of
journalism
and the dangers government secrecy in the world the United States place in the
world
when you start changing consciousness like that on
it may take a while for it to happen but there's no question that the changes
that
are engendered will be fundamental on that to me is by far the most gratifying
probable
us I mean I in a everything you know is a couple reduce that I'd
I wouldn't mind having but I think you know when we were sitting around talking
about possible outcomes you know with lawyers I mean sitting here with you
was not one of them and leave me really thinking that there is so many
potentially many bad possible outcomes
and into have the the a think the International where Nissim in the
we'd I think we had no idea hell I like to stay
what do you say I did the most skin in the game
I think everybody involved is P
some foster I mean you know I
can really know the all
yes there there's a lot of things that are out there but it's incredibly
says to be part of something larger cell
in the day there are more us then there or
and as long as we work together and as long as we value our clients
wouldn't be able to protect miss the way
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