Hi, my name is Christopher Anatra.
You may know me as the Quantum Businessman.
I'm very happy and excited to be sitting down with
Cynthia Sue Larson.
We are in Ketchum, Idaho, at the West Coast Mandela Effect Conference 2019.
This is really a very special time, talking about Mandela Effects,
and all different types of things that affect our reality
and our consciousness.
So, I have some questions for Cynthia.
First of all, Cynthia, tell the audience a little bit about yourself.
Oh, yes.
I've got a degree from U.C.
Berkeley in physics, and I've organized conferences, Foundations of Mind conferences, having to
do with consciousness and quantum physics.
And that's my primary area of interest.
I also write books on the subject.
The most recent book was called Quantum Jumps.
So consciousness, and quantum physics.
OK.
So, this is a topic I want to ask you about.
I don't know how many people you've spoken about this openly about, but I am really curious
about time travel.
First of all, what would you tell our audience about time travel in general.
What advice would you give?
Is it possible?
It is possible.
And actually, it is intrinsic to quantum physics itself
that there is definitely a retrocausal quality to all of quantum physics.
What that means is, often in regular layman's terms
we think of cause and effect.
And we tend to think of an arrow of time, where the cause must precede the effect, therefore
the cause happens earlier in time, but that's a subjective experience.
So if you actually ask any physicist, "What is time?"
You may think we know what it is.
You may think there is an absolute definition.
But that turns out to not exactly be the case.
And there's even a discrepancy between the present moment, between physics and psychology,
for example.
So, there's a lot of open territory ripe for exploration in the fields of consciousness,
quantum physics, and this whole idea of time and time travel.
But implicitly, we are all time travelers.
Because we are all moving through time.
We don't tend to think of it; we think that we are the same person we were
just a minute ago.
But is that really true?
And I say it's not really true.
You are absolutely correct!
OK, that's awesome.
So, from my understanding, the way we experience time,
it's described as "linear time."
How would you describe linear time?
Well, when you look at linear time, then you have compressed three dimensions into two
dimensions.
One thing we know about space-time is that you have got to have at least four dimensions.
So we're not looking at lines at all when we are talking about time.
That would be a simplification, if you will.
However, it is a word that people use, because it's simple, so it's easy for people to think
of a time line.
However, as I'm saying, that's not really what's happening.
OK.
Space and time go together; you've heard of the curvature of space-time, that Albert Einstein
showed.
You might remember some of the imagery, where gravitational places, like the Earth or the
Sun or something of great mass can create kind of a depression, if you will, in the
space-time, the curvature of space-time.
So we are aware of this, and we put it into our three dimensional way of thinking, but
actually it is four dimensions, at least.
Very interesting.
So, from what you said, and from your book about reality shifting, let me ask you a basic
question about time travel.
Let's say I'm running late for an appointment, which often happens.
And it's going to take me 45 minutes to get there, and I know I'm going to be at least
20 minutes late, based upon the way things are going.
Is there something I could do to help solve that issue?
Yes.
Yes!
This may be a surprise.
For you in particular, yes.
In general, it's possible.
It's a case-by-case situation, so a lot of people might say, "I've tried it, and nothing
happened."
OK.
But, that would simply be a matter of alignment of all of themselves, so this is a matter
of...
Because when we look at ourselves, who are we?
And if you've got the intention, "I'm running late," that's great.
But in order to experience the kind of time shift you are talking about, which is time
travel, the compression of time in a sense going farther in less time than should be
possible, and this turns out to be something a lot of people have done and are doing.
And the way to do it is to recognize first of all, I need to be there in a short amount
of time, but I don't have that much time.
OK, so the need is the first thing--the need has to be there.
You have to really feel it.
It can't be a fake need like, "They're expecting me," or "I'm supposed to be there."
That's not real need.
OK.
You may think that doesn't matter, but oh yes, it does.
This is where anybody who's had mind-matter interactive retrocausal effects would be someone
who is very focused, who understands the importance of bringing that feeling of absolute need
together with just this beautiful peaceful sense of love, and complete focus of intention
on what you're visualizing.
Like I need to be there, I see it, I need to be on time.
I'm going to show up on time.
And just feeling this love and a sense of real need, it can't be anything less than
that.
Very interesting.
I'm going to have to practice that.
I know a lot of times I feel that time slips by.
I'll look at the clock, it'll be one o'clock.
I'll do something, and then it's three o'clock!
I often experience losses of time.
How would you explain what's happening there?
Well, this is a normal human experience, unfortunately!
But it's fun.
What's happening, the good news is you probably are enjoying what you're doing, so there's
some good news there.
And often we get into a meditative state of mind, and the more you enjoy what's happening,
then the faster time can seem to go.
Time is very subjective, and even in physics experiments, we haven't yet found any way
to factor that out, and remove that quality.
We set our clocks based on, to some degree, subjective time.
What we're experiencing on the surface of the planet Earth.
OK, that makes sense.
And I've heard people mention where they don't know how they got to an appointment so quickly.
Or it was a certain time, and they know they needed more time for something, and they were
able to get that time.
So what you are saying definitely, I've heard that anecdotally, but it makes sense that
it could be possible.
You just have to have that need and the desire there.
Absolutely.
And I've gotten dozens of reports that are published on my website, RealityShifters.com,
over more than the last twenty years of people that are quite credible to me that have experienced
this very thing.
OK.
So, let me ask you a difficult question.
So, let's say there was something that happened in our past that we are not happy about, and
we want to be able to figure out a way to go back and change that or do something different.
What would your advice be for that type of a situation?
Well, my basic advice is, again, to start with that sense of internal need, and love,
and focus.
And this is inner work.
There is no way to skip that step.
A lot of people write to me, and they get the idea that they can change the past.
They want to do it.
They just want to push some magic button, follow some magic recipe.
Just follow the basic steps.
They ask me, "What are the steps?"
Unfortunately, it's much more of a personal practice of getting to a state of integrity
within oneself, which is really a spiritual practice.
Absolutely.
So, I would recommend, it's going to sound ironic, but accept what seems to be the case.
And even more ironic, find gratitude for what appears to have already happened.
This is totally a spiritual practice.
That's a good point, to find gratitude.
Oh, yes.
For what's already happened.
Yes.
That's interesting.
Because I think a lot of people might be looking for the technological answer.
Oh, yes!
Because we are used to having apps on our phone, and you know, et cetera, so is there
an easy way I can press the button and technology can send me back in time?
I don't think so.
I think there are technologies that are in the works.
I'm sure there are.
But I don't know anything about those.
And I wouldn't recommend them, even if there are, because I think that if we go back, we
haven't addressed the underlying issues.
Then wherever you go, there you are.
And even if you think I'm going to fix it this time, there's probably a lot more than
just that one thing to work out.
That makes sense.
So that's really good advice, when it comes to time travel, a spiritual practice is really
where it's at.
It's also the safest way to go, as well.
Can you imagine having technology and then it fails?
That's not good!
You go to a time where it can't be replaced, or whatever it is.
Absolutely the spiritual way is definitely the way to do that.
Yes.
So, on another subject, what do you think about this whole Mandela Effect conference?
Oh, I love it!
I've been waiting my whole career for this.
This is the best weekend of my life I'm thrilled that there is so much interest,
so much enthusiasm, so many great speakers, like yourself, who are bringing forward ideas
that I think are new for so many people, yet at the same time, relevant.
Because this is truly a global phenomenon, where people are noticing that the facts,
the histories, are not matching what they remember.
Exactly.
And I could tell just from talking with people that were here that they are hungry for answers.
They can acknowledge that the Mandela Effect is happening right in front of them.
It's not slowing down.
And it's not just the big things, it's the small personal little Mandela Effects, too,
that make people think, hmm, what's going on?
So it's all tied into us, how would you describe, what do you think the purpose is of the Mandela
Effect?
I think, well I think you hit it on the head in your talk, when you talked about a great
awakening, that we really are waking up to the fact that we've been asleep.
But when you recognize that it is possible to dream when you are asleep, that's the key.
Then you can become lucid.
You can become sentient.
You can become aware.
And that's, I think, what is happening with these conversations, the great talks that
are happening, the invitation to ask questions.
Because when you ask those questions, you do get answers.
And to share what each of us are experiencing on our personal journeys has been an absolutely
fantastic, wonderful experience!
It has, it really has been a great experience.
And I want to thank you for helping to organize this, and I'm looking forward to more Mandela
Effect conferences!
And anyone in the audience, if you are watching this, and then if you are also going to be
watching any of the presentations, know that it's not going to end here!
There are going to be other Mandela Effect conferences happening across the country,
and probably across the world, as well, because it's a world-wide phenomena.
One more thing, if people are making fun of it, because a lot of people that are starting
to experience this, it's hard to talk to your friends and family.
And there's a tendency sometimes that people say, well, I know that's not true, because
I'm an expert in this field, and we've been talking about why sometimes the experts are
not going to necessarily see the same changes that we do.
And there's an explanation in physics for that, as well.
Right.
I just want to say something funny.
I thought it was interesting at one of the panel discussions, Shane was talking about,
I think it was his brother that was experiencing Mandela Effects, but he was figuring out a
way to make money at it when he would go to bars.
Like to ask someone, do beavers have orange teeth?
Like I'll bet you fifty dollars that beavers have orange teeth.
People will be like, no, and you can show them.
So some people are using Mandela Effects to that kind of advantage, which is not recommended!
Cynthia, I want to say thank you very much for this little sit-down talk, and I'm looking
forward to many more!
Likewise!