>>> NEXT MONTH MARKS TWO YEARS
SINCE THE DEATH OF CONVICTED SEX
OFFENDER JEFFREY EPSTEIN INSIDE
A NEW YORK CITY JAIL.
HIS THEN GIRLFRIEND AND ALLEGED
ACCOMPLICE, GHISLAINE MAXWELL
REMAINS IN JAIL AWAITING A
POSSIBLE TRIAL LATER THIS YEAR
ON SEX TRAFFICKING CHARGES.
WHILE FEW DETAILS ARE KNOWN
ABOUT EPSTEIN AND THOSE AROUND
HIM.
A NEW PODCAST IS SHEDDING LIGHT
WITH NEVER RELEASED TRAPPNSCRIPT
OF CONVERSATIONS HE HAD NEARLY
20 YEARS AGO.
>> WE ONLY VERY RESENTLY
DISCOVERED AS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH
JEFFREY WAS DONATING TO BILL
CLINTON IN THE FIRST YEAR OF HIS
PRESIDENCY IN 1993.
BUT IN 2002 WE DIDNT KNOW ANY
OF THIS.
SO I JUST COULDNT ANSWER THE
QUESTION, WHY DID PEOPLE OF
IMPORTANCE THINK SO HIGHLY OF
JEFFREY EPSTEIN.
AND YET, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE
LITTLE CLUES.
ONE PERSON DID TELL ME THERE WAS
PLENTY OF DIRT TO BE HAD BUT
BASICALLY THESE RICH, POWERFUL
MEN, AND THEY ARE FOR THE MOST
PART MEN, WOULD NEVER TALK.
THIS PERSON TOLD ME THERE WAS
FAR TOO MUCH SELF-INTEREST AT
STAKE.
>> JOINING US NOW AUTHOR AND
JOURNALIST VICKY WARD.
SHES THE HOST OF THAT NEW
PODCAST CHASING GHISLAINE.
THE CULMINATION OF HER 19 YEAR
INVESTIGATIVE UNDERTAKING AS SHE
WROTE HER 2003 "VANITY FAIR"
PROFILE.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT PROFILE,
VICKY?
>> SO, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE
PROFILE WAS THAT JEFFREY EPSTEIN
WENT ONEPSTEIN WENT ON A
CHARM OFFENSIVE WITH ME TRYING
TO SELL HIS SERGSVERSION OF EVEN
HE WANTED THE WORLD TO THINK HE
WAS AN AMAZING MONEY MANAGER FOR
BILLIONAIRES ONLY.
HE THREATENED ME AND WE HAVE 450
PAGES OF TRANSCRIPTS OF THOSE
CONVERSATIONS.
I ENDED UP TALKING TO HIM NEARLY
DAILY FOR TWO OR THREE MONTHS.
AND WHEN THAT DIDNT WORK HE WENT AUND ME TO MY BOSS AT THE
WENT AUND ME TO MY BOSS AT THE
TIME WITH THE RESULT BEING THAT
ALLEGATIONS BY TWO SISTERS WERE
CUT OUT.
AND THERE IS A SCENE IN THE
PODCAST WHEN WERE WORKING WITH
THE FACT CHECKERS CLOSE THE
PIECE OUT AND SHE SAYS MY
GOODNESS, GUESS WHO JUST
APPEARED IN THE OFFICE.
JEFFREY EPSTEIN.
THAT WAS MOST UNUSUAL TO SAY THE
LEAST.
>> SO I KNOW THERE IS A LOT WE
WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IN TERMS OF
GETTING FOLKS TO LISTEN TO THIS
PODCAST WHICH I THINK IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
ANYONE THAT CARES ABOUT THE
WOMEN. MANY, MANY YOUNG GIRLS ABUSED BY
MANY, MANY YOUNG GIRLS ABUSED BY
THIS MAN AND WITH THE HELP OF
GHISLANE MAXWELL.
IM CURIOUS ABOUT THE MEN THAT
WORKED WITH HIM.
THERE WAS ILLUSIONS TO CERTAIN
WELL KNOWN POWERFUL MEN BUT NO
ONE HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO MAKE
THE TRUE CONNECTION.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT
HELP? >>> RIGHT, THE MEN IS WHY WERE
>>> RIGHT, THE MEN IS WHY WERE
STILL TALKING ABOUT JEFFREY EPSTEIN.
BILL GATES, DONALD TRUMP, LESLIE
WEXNER, ON AND ON.
THE MEN IS WHY I WANTED TO MAKE
A PODCAST.
MAX
MAXWELL, I KNEW BEFORE I STARTED
WRITING ABOUT EPSTEIN, I DIDNT REALIZE THEY WERE TOGETHER, BUT
REALIZE THEY WERE TOGETHER, BUT
IT IS A SHADOWY WORLD TO THE
MEN.
AND I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT
AND WHAT I HAVE REPORTED BASED
LIKELY ON ALL OF THESE PAGES OF
WHAT HE TOLD ME IN 2002 IS IS
THAT IT WASNT JUST ABOUT SEX OR
WOMEN.
IT IS MUCH MORE TO THE STORY.
MUCH MORE TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND
HIS WORLD OF INVISIBLE MEN THEN
PEOPLE THINK.
HE WAS ALSO A MASTERFUL CON
ARTIST
ARTIST.
HE WAS AN EMBEZZLER.
HE KNEW HOW TO MOVE MONEY AROUND
OFF SHORE.
HE WAS, ON THE RECORD IN THIS
PODCAST, PART OF AN INTELLIGENCE
NETWORK HE WAS ALSO A MATH
TEACHER.
SO WHAT I REALLY SET OUT TO TRY
TO DO IS ANSWER WHO IS HI
REALLY, WHY WAS HE PROTECTED,
AND WHY WERE THESE MEN DRAWN
INTO HIS WEB.
THE EXAMPLE OF BILL GATES, FOR
EXAMPLE, I SPEND TIME ON HOW
SOMEONE LIKE JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
ONCE HE WAS ALREADY A KNOWN SEX
OFFENDER, HOW HE COULD GET TO
BILL GATES.
THE ANSWER, I THINK, IS
SURPRISING AND THATS WHY PEOPLE
NEED TO LISTEN.
>> VICKY ELISE JORDAN HERE.
YOU SPENT NEARLY TWO DECADES
FOLLOWING THE STORY.
WHAT WAS YOUR RELATIONSHIP LIKE IN THE YEARS THAT FOLLOWED THAT
IN THE YEARS THAT FOLLOWED THAT
PROFILE WITH JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND
GHISLANE MAXWELL.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE TO REPORT ON IT
FOR SO MANY YEARS.
>> IM GLAD YOU ASKED ME THAT.
JEFFREY EPSTEIN THREATENED ME
AND MY UNBORN CHILDREN.
I WAS PREGNANT WITH TWINS WHEN I
WAS DEALING WITH HIM.
AND HE THREATENED NOT ONLY TO
PUT A CURSE ON THEM IF HE DIDNT
LIKE THE ARTICLE THAT I WAS
GOING TO WRITE, HE ALSO WANTED
TO KNOW WHERE I WAS GIVING BIRTH
AND WHAT DOCTOR WERE GOING TO
DELIVER.
SO WHEN I DID END UP GIVING
BIRTH TWO MONTHS PREMATURELY, MY
CHILDREN WERE SEVERELY
UNDERWEIGHT AND I WAS TRULY
TERRIFIED THAT HE WOULD COME FOR THEM.
AND I NEVER WANTSED TO SEE HIM
EVER AGAIN.
I HAD PUT GUARDS ON MY KIDS AND
I BARELY DID EVER SEE HIM.
I THINK ONCE OR TWICE I RAN INTO
HIM SOMEWHERE AND THEY WERE NOT
PLEASANT.
HE WAS ALWAYS TRYING TO PLAY
CHESS WITH ME.
AND I TRIED TO AVOID HIM.
HE IS SOMEONE WITH WHOM I HAVE
REALLY EVIL CONNOTATIONS IN MY
MIND.
MY CHILDREN WENT THROUGH SEVERE