>> Bill: FOX NEWS OBTAINING
CHILLING NEW PHOTOS OF JEFFREY
EPSTEIN'S JAIL CELL IN THE HOURS
AFTER HIS DEATH.
SOME OF THESE DISTURBING IMAGES,
WE WANT TO WARN YOU IN A MOMENT
TO HEAR YOU ARE ABOUT TO SEE,
MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR ANY TIME
OF TELEVISION BUT WE JUST WANTED
TO GIVE YOU HEADS UP ON THAT.
SEVERAL OF THE PHOTOS, LIKE THIS
ONE, TAKING IT EPSTEIN'S
AUTOPSY, SHOWING THE BLOODIED
WOUNDS AROUND HIS NECK.
THE MEN HIRED BY THE OBSCENE
FAMILY TO INVESTIGATE THE DEATH,
DR. MICHAEL BADEN.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
THE IMAGE WE JUST SHOWED THERE
WAS FROM 60 MINUTES LAST NIGHT.
THE FIRST TIME WE HAD A CHANCE
TO SEE IT.
AGAIN, WARNING HER VIEWERS.
HEADS UP ON THIS.
WHAT NEW INFORMATION, KNOWING
THEY WERE WORKING ON BEHALF OF
THE BROTHER OF JEFFREY EPSTEIN,
DO YOU PROVIDE TO THIS?
>> I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
INFORMATION THAT STILL HASN'T
BEEN REVEALED YET THAT IS
ESSENTIAL IN ORDER TO ARRIVE AT
A CONCLUSION, WHETHER THIS IS
THE SUICIDE OR HOMICIDE.
I THINK THE CLOSING OUT OF THE
CASE AS A SUICIDE SO QUICKLY WAS
PREMATURE.
THE PHOTOGRAPH YOU JUST SHOWED
OF THE LIGATURE MARKER AROUND
THE NECK, THE ABILITY LIGATURE
MARK, DOESN'T MATCH THE LIGATURE
THAT WAS FOUND AT THE SCENE.
AND THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
COPIED TO SHOW HOW HE WAS
HANGED.
IT WAS TOO WIDE AND TOO SMOOTH.
THIS IS A ROUGHER INJURY.
THE HEMORRHAGES IN THE EYES, THE
CRUSH INJURIES IN THE NECK,
THREE FRACTURES IN THE NECK,
THEY ARE NOT SEEN IN HANGING
SUICIDES.
YOU MIGHT GET ONE FRACTURE.
BUT THIS IS A VERY HARD
COMPRESSION OF THE NECK.
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS
TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS SEEN WHEN
THE GUARDS FIRST WENT INTO THE
CELL.
WAS HE HANGING, WAS HE ON THE
GROUND?
AS SOME PEOPLE REPORTED.
>> Bill: WHAT THE ANSWER?
>> WE DON'T KNOW YET.
APPARENTLY, FOR SOME OF YOU
HEARD THIS, THE GUARDS REFUSED
TO TALK.
FOR WHICH THEY'VE BEEN CHARGED
CRIMINALLY.
THIS IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION
BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, AND
THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT RELEASING
ANY INFORMATION.
WHOSE DNA WAS ON THE LIGATURE?
WAS IT HAS COME WAS SOMEBODY
ELSE'S?
>> Sandra: IS WHAT YOU ARE
SEEING OUT OF ONE OF PROTOCOL,
DR. BOB?
THE REMOVAL OF THE BODY, SOME
QUESTION WHETHER THAT WAS DONE
APPROPRIATELY?
>> THE REMOVAL OF THE BODY
DESTROYED A LOT OF THE FORENSIC
EVIDENCE.
EMS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO REMOVE
DEAD BODIES FROM JAILS.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A
WHOLE FORENSIC WORK OUT, WHAT
KIND OF FORENSIC EVIDENCE IS ON
THE
CLOTHING, HOW LONG THE
PERSON WAS DEAD.
WE CAN TELL FROM THE LIGATURE
MARK THAT HE HAD BEEN -- THERE
WAS A TIGHT LIGATURE AROUND HIS
NECK FOR MANY HOURS, AND THE
FRONT OF THE NECK, FOR HE WAS
FOUND.
SO HE WAS DEAD FOR A LONG TIME.
BUT WE COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC
ABOUT THAT IF SOMEBODY TESTED
OUT THE STIFFNESS OF THE BODY,
ET CETERA, AT THE SCENE.
BUT A LOT WAS LOST WHEN THE BODY
WAS REMOVED.
AND A LOT CERTAINLY IS LOST
UNTIL, FOR SOME REASON, THE
GUARDS TELL HOW THE BODY WAS
FOUND.
>> Bill: 'S OF THE BIG
QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT HE
HANGED HIMSELF OR WHETHER HE WAS
STRANGLED.
>> YES.
>> Bill: HOW DO WE DETERMINE
THAT?
>> WE CAN DETERMINE THAT IT
AUTOPSY.
IN HANGING, ONE DOES NOT GET
THREE FRACTURES OF THE ADAM'S
APPLE AND THE BONE, THE HIGHWAY
GOING ABOVE IT.
THAT
JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ALL OF
THE SUICIDAL HANGINGS IN
NEW YORK STATE, PRISONS, JAILS,
LOCKUPS --
>> Kennedy: WHAT ARE WE
LOOKING UP, WHILE THIS IS ON THE
SCREEN?
>> THAT IS THE LIGATURE THAT WAS
FOUND AT THE SCREEN, AND THE
NOOSE, WHICH PRESUMABLY IS WHAT
HE WAS FOUND HANGING WITH.
AND YET THERE IS NO TRANSFER OF
ANY BLOOD ON THAT LIGATURE FROM
THE NECK.
IT DOESN'T MATCH THE LIGATURE
MARK ON THE NECK.
IT'S TOO WIDE, IT'S TOO SMOOTH,
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TRANSFER
OF SKIN OR BLOOD.
>> Sandra: WHY HAS HIS FAMILY
HIRED YOU?
>> THE ONLY REASON THE BROTHER
AND THE ESTATE HIRED ME IS
BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KNOW
RIGHT AWAY WHAT THE CAUSE OF
DEATH WAS.
THE ONLY REASON, USUALLY, THAT
MEDICAL EXAMINERS GET HIRED TO
DO SECOND -- TO BE PRESENT AT
AUTOPSY, IT TAKES WEEKS OR
MONTHS.
IT'S NOW FIVE MONTHS AND THEY
HAVEN'T RELEASED THE WHOLE THING
YET.
UNTIL YOU GET AN ANSWER.
SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE AN
ANSWER, FOR WHATEVER REASON, AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN EXPERT
THERE, AND THE NORMAL THING --
YES, I AGREE THIS IS A HANGING,
THAT THE END OF IT.
THE AUTOPSY FINDINGS AND SUPPORT
THAT.
THAT'S WHY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
WHO DID THE AUTOPSY DID NOT CALL
IT A SUICIDE WHEN THAT WAS OVER.
THE ISSUE, THE DEATH CERTIFICATE
PENDING FURTHER STUDY, THAT WAS
CLOSED DOWN WITHIN A COUPLE OF
DAYS.
>> Bill: SO NO CAMERAS,
CAMERAS WERE NOT WORKING.
>> THEN IT TURNS OUT THE VIDEO
CAMERAS WERE CORRUPTED.
THE ONE THAT LOOKS IN THE CELL
AND THE ONE THAT LOOKS IN THE
SPACE, THE DOORWAY.
>> Bill: BUT WERE THERE OTHERS
THAT WERE FUNCTIONING?
>> NONFUNCTIONING.
>> Bill: THE GROWTH OF A
CRIMINAL CASE.
THEY HAVE NEVER TALKED, IS THAT
WITH DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU ARE
THINKING MEXICO PRESUMABLY PAY
THIS WITH THE CRIMINAL CASES.
THAT BECAUSE
THEY REFUSE TO TALK, THEY ARE
BEING INDICTED.
>> Bill: WENT TO BE
DEFINITIVELY FIND AN ANSWER?
>> AS SOON AS THE GUARDS WILL
SPEAK UP.
WE ARE TOLD THAT THERE IS A
TRIAL SCHEDULED IN MARCH OR
APRIL.
WE HAVE MANY GUARD TO FALL
ASLEEP.
ON DUTY COME AROUND THE STATE.
NEVER HAD A CRIMINAL CASE
AGAINST IT.
USUALLY THEY GET A PAT ON THE
WRIST OR SOMETHING.
NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN CHARGED
CRIMINALLY FOR FALLING ASLEEP
WHEN THEY WERE ON DUTY.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> Sandra: IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'VE COME UP WITH YOUR OWN
THEORY ON WHAT HAPPENED.
>> MY CONCERN IS THAT THE
EVIDENCE IS THAT IS NOT A
HANGING, BUT IT IS A HOMICIDAL
STRANGULATION.
WHO DID IT, HOW IT HAPPENED,
CAN'T TELL.
BUT THAT THE FINDINGS ARE NOT --
ARE MORE INDICATIVE OF HOMICIDE
THAN AN ACCIDENT.
THEN SUICIDE.
>> Bill: THERE ARE QUESTIONS