POLICE FOR LACK AGO GOOD GAME
PLAN AHEAD OF JANUARY 6.
MARTHA?
>> Martha: THANKS VERY MUCH.
BREAKING RIGHT NOW, BORIS
JOHNSON AND EMANUEL MACRON CALLING RUSSIA’S INVASION AN
CALLING RUSSIA’S INVASION AN
ATTACK ON FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.
>> THIS CRISIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS
EVERY MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL AND
EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
BECAUSE THE BASIC PRINCIPLES
THAT SUSTAIN PEACE AND SECURITY,
PRINCIPLES THAT WERE ENSHRINED
IN THE WAKE OF TWO WORLD WARS
AND A COLD WAR ARE UNTHREAT.
>> Martha: THE RUSSIAN UKRAINE
CONFLICT THREATING TO PLUNGE THE
WORLD ORDER ALIGNMENT WITH
RUSSIA AND CHINA OVER THE U.S.
LET’S BRING IN NIGEL FARAGE,
GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US TODAY.
THERE’S A PIECE IN THE "WALL
STREET JOURNAL" BY JERRY BAKER,
HOW THE U.S. AND EUROPE LOST THE
POST COLD WAR.
WHAT DOES THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY
LOOK LIKE TO YOU?
>> WHAT WE’RE SEEING COULD BE A
REPEAT OF 1936.
THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN NAZI
GERMANY WAS ADDING TERRITORY AND
IN THE EARLY DAYS, THEY ARGUED
THESE ARE GERMAN SPEAKING
PEOPLE.
BUT WE KNOW ULTIMATELY THE
AMBITIONS OF THAT REGIME WERE TO
TAKE OVER THE WHOLE OF EUROPE
AND BE THE DOMINANT POWER IN THE
WORLD.
THE SIMILARITY, 2008, PUTIN TOOK
A CHUNK OF GEORGIA.
GO BACK TO 2014, HE TOOK THE
CRIMEA.
OVERNIGHT, HE’S RECOGNIZED THE
INDEPENDENCE AND BASICALLY
EFFECTIVELY CLAIMED SOVEREIGNTY
OVER TWO PROVINCES IN THE EAST
OF UKRAINE.
THERE’S THE SIMILARITIES.
PIECE BY PIECE, BUILDING BY
BUILDING.
I DON’T THINK VLADIMIR PUTIN FOR
ONE MINUTE WANTS TO STORM FRANCE
AND GERMANY AND THE U.K.
THERE’S NO WAY THAT IS HIS
AMBITIONS.
THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
KNOW HAND THE 30s.
THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT HE WANTS
TO BUILD OLD IMPERIAL RUSSIA.
THAT IS HIS DREAM.
THE COMPLICATION IS THIS.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN
THOSE TWO PROVINCES SPEAK
RUSSIAN AND FEEL MORE RUSSIAN
THAN UKRAINIAN.
SO THIS IS NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT’S NOT EASY.
I THINK WHAT THE WEST HAS TO DO
IS TO PUT DOWN ITS ABSOLUTE
REDLINE AND I SUPPOSE FOR SOME
EXTENT TODAY JOE BIDEN DID DO
THAT BY REITERATING AMERICAN
COMMITMENT TO NATO.
BUT I’M AFRAID THE SANCTIONS PUT
IN PLACE TODAY ARE WEAK.
THE WEST BEGINS TO LOOK IMPOTENT
FRANKLY.
>> Martha: ACCORDING TO OUR
REPORTERS ON THE GROUND, 60% OF
UKRAINE CONSIDERS ITS
NATIONALIST UKRAINE.
THERE’S NO DOUBT THERE’S POCKETS
AND PEOPLE IN UKRAINE THAT
CONSIDER THEMSELVES MORE RUSSIA.
YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THAT
REPORTING, THE MAJORITY OF
UKRAINIANS DON’T CONSIDER
THEMSELVES PART OF RUSSIA.
WE HAD THIS INTERESTING DANCE
GOING ON WITH THE QUESTION OF
NATO AND THE MISSILES ALONG THE
BORDER THERE THAT SOME PEOPLE
THINK WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE ADDED
THAT COUNTRY TO NATO AFTER THE
COLD WAR.
REMEMBER THIS MOMENT WITH
PRESIDENT OBAMA WHERE HE MADE A
PROMISE. WATCH THIS.
WATCH THIS.
>> AFTER MY ELECTION, I HAVE
MORE FLEXIBILITY.
>> Martha: A PART AND THE ARM
AND A PROMISE TO MOVE THE
MISSILES FROM THE BORDER.
NIGEL?
>> WE HAVE MADE THE LAST 30
YEARS BIG GEO POLITICAL ERRORS.
THE WESTWARD EXPANSION OF NATO
AND THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS BEEN
SEEN BY MANY RUSSIANS TO BE
PROVOCATIVE, ENCIRCLING AND
PUTIN HAS USED THAT TO SAY THESE
GUYS ARE THREATENING US,
THREATENING RUSSIAN SPEAKING
PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.
SO WE HAVE GOT A LOT WRONG.
WE DID START MUCH OF THIS.
THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ON
EARTH DO WE DO NEXT.
YOUR STATISTICS ARE RIGHT.
A BIG MAJORITY IN THE UKRAINE OF
FAVOR OF UKRAINIAN INDEPENDENT.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR BEST TO HELP
THEM WITH EQUIPMENT, WITH
SUPPORT.
THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS IS THOSE
TWO PROVINCES, LUHANSK AND
DONETSK ARE OVERWHELMINGLY
RUSSIAN-SPEAKING.
THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS ACTUALLY
QUITE DIFFICULT.
>> Martha: VLADIMIR PUTIN HAS
LET THEM DOWN ECONOMICALLY AFTER
THE DEMOCRATIC PERIOD OF RUSSIA
BEGAN THAT THOSE DREAMS WERE
NEVER REALIZED.
SO NOW WE SEE A STRONGER FIST IN