Of course everyday we're very happy to talk to you. We know these are very difficult times for your country especially we
think about the people of Ukraine and the ordeal they go through every day. But I have to ask your one point. This war is going
to have to an end or come to an end. And of course you're hoping for a diplomatic solution out of this. What is the state of play
at this point. Because we hear a lot of contradictions between the Russian delegations and then the Ukrainian delegation and
their take on things. Where are we now. Well thank you. First of all as far as the negotiations are
concerned starting from the from the first round of negotiations we're hoping that Russia would be constructive during the
negotiations. If you remember during the first rounds there were just not mere listen into the Ukrainians position. Instead they
were only talking about their positions or ultimatums. Then they started to turn to listen to here. Now we're in the fourth round
of negotiations. But unfortunately you know even those agreements which were reached during the negotiations are not
fulfilled. I'm talking about women there in corridors. Exactly. About this humanitarian corridor from the city of Mariupol which
you know functions not to the full extent. So whether a Russian delegation is serious war is stretching all the time for the
currency. That's a big question because you know they were hoping to get too much achievements on the ground within the
first three or five first days of war and then to build with a strong negotiation position. So since they are fairly now on the
ground with their proclaimed goals they are waging what would do what what will happen next in order to strengthen their
position. But what is serious is negotiations could be on the level. Presidents of Ukraine and Russia. My president keeps
reiterating he is ready for negotiations. You're ready to see to the negotiation table with President Putin possibly with some
other world leaders. But unfortunately for the time being we feel the leg or Fred in this from 14 himself to be the part of
the negotiations. And so you say that Russia is losing the ground or the war on
the ground. I know a lot of this information is delicate and you can't disclose it. But when you look at the map of Ukraine at
this point where is that the Ukraine is fighting back. Where are you trying to push back the Russian army. And was the state of
this army will give you two examples. Just just just just to be in the temporarily occupied Port Johns facility there in Donetsk
in the south and the city of Oslo we managed to blow up the big Russian transportation vessel carrying 400 the manpower and
several thousands of tanks and armored vehicles. This is the example that any student even if besieged or temporarily
encircled occupied. There's not under full control or Russian Federation. Yes. They tried to storm their administration. They
tried to arrest peaceful citizens. They tried to deport peaceful citizens to to to Russia or to uncontrolled parts of Ukrainian
territory just like a company in Mariupol. But indeed people are going out on the streets protesting against the Russian armed
forces and occupation powers as far as Kiev outskirts are concerned. Also the situation is much better now because where
we were where we managed to take back some some smaller cities and villages and you know to reinforce our position. So
currently I would say that the war is about kind of position of war. They're probably trying to regroup their forces. They're
trying to increase the manpower because with the current amount of manpower they will not be able to besiege any major city
because they wanted to do the beginning. And sir on Sunday Russia gave an ultimatum for Mariupol singing
Stop the fight and give your weapons. Otherwise everyone will be tried by tribunal. And Ukraine said we're not going to surrender
any of our cities and we're not going to engage on our territorial integrity. Is that still the thinking of the
government. Either you're not going to surrender anything but for you also the territorial integrity. And of course I talk
about Donbas and particularly Mariupol with that corridor a concrete to Crimea. Is that sacred for you. You're not gonna
give anything away. Yes absolutely. Position with president government and all
Ukrainian people. We will not surrender. We can surrender. Only one case if they kill all of us. You've been you know a to to to
to our so-called blood Ukrainians. Well well well well well surrender. But never ever. Not in Maryland.
Not in only other smaller cities. Captured. No not in some encircled cities. Let's. We will not surrender. We will we will
fail to reach. As far as the territorial integrity of Ukraine of course. No. Yes. Never. We will trade away any part of Ukrainian
territory be it Ukrainian dawn by subdued Ukrainian Crimea. So this is not a negotiation position where we can meet their
requirements. And of course we're on Bloomberg TV or radio we're speaking to
three herself. Guy who is a key ally to our presidents Lansky. And the reason sir why I ask you this question is because today
there was a report by the Turkish media suggesting that they had information that Ukraine and Russia had agreed on five points.
And the only point of tension at this point was Crimea and Donbas. But based on what you say you're not gonna give anything
away. This is not part of your peace deal. Is this report that was reported today by the Turkish media. Fake is a false. Well
let's not command the media reports in the media. They might be here. That is in principle and in diplomacy. Nothing is agreed
to. Aborigines agree. So no I will not demand this. It once once again reiterate we will not try to reach any inch any single
issue Ukraine's territory. And sir of course there has been two very intense days of
diplomacy here in Brussels with NATO and that of course with their European leaders. But I want to ask you about NATO. It is
very clear in your country now says ISE openly. We've had a brutal reality check. NATO's not going to help us on the ground.
And of course maybe we may not have to apply for NATO membership because we're not going to get it. So if you don't get NATO what
else do you want to get. And the question of course here is if you don't have needle then are you going to double down for EU
membership. You want to be part of a member of the European Union for a peace deal to come to fruition.
Absolutely. Smith is not ready to do it except to create a stronger Ukraine the Ukraine with a strong armed forces that we
can see. It's my present alternate members. Please do tell me not about not hearings of Ukrainian armed forces to NATO
standards. We prove that to the Ukrainian armed forces our highest standards. So yes I mean we are we are. We are not. We
we feel the reality if NATO's regular in Ukraine will not knock on the open on the closed door. My question is whether NATO's
capable to defend even its own member states. I mean let's not talk about Ukraine but let's talk about eastern members eastern
flank members of NATO. Let's make sure we are absolutely no hope one on having the EU membership. My present applied with the
implication of the end of February. Today we're here in the middle of March and we want this application to be
delivered and to be processed in a very high speed because we don't have enough time to fulfill the usual type of bureaucracy
whatever. So we're thankful for yesterday's decision or European Council to reinforce or to reiterate its you know appeal to the
commission to study the process of preparing the begin. And once again we're talking to all the leaders of the European members.
Please do not you know drag on the times Ukraine is fighting now. Ukrainian fighting also need for itself but for all the
European countries we know form France. So please Ukraine deserve to be a part of the European family and what Ukrainians
doesn't deserve. Ukrainian people do not deserve you. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Our application in the bureaucracy routine.
Some reflection tears. So yes we are ready to become a member of the European Union as far as as soon as possible.
So sorry just to make it very clear because this is very important especially here in Brussels. You've made it clear you
don't trust the Russians. You always cite the Budapest Memorandum. You say you gave a lot of weight for nothing.
Russia's a country that you do not trust. So I wonder and that international peace deal security guarantees that you want. Are
you going to insist that EU membership is part of that deal. Absolutely. Membership of Ukraine to the EU is a bar to our
security guarantees. But secondly we want to have a set of security guarantees from the world leaders such as US United
Kingdom Germany France and Turkey to guarantee that the aggression against my country or any other
European state or international partners will not happen in future. Because right here we had this piece of paper this
Budapest Memorandum which never worked neither in 2014 when Russia started this aggression nor in 2022 and is an open war.
So we do not need another beauty this memorandum. We need a street card for security guarantees a system if you will of
security guarantees a new system of security in Europe if you will. Ukraine should be in it for goodness torn off the security
system. And yes we are already negotiating with our partners to think about possibility of establishing such kind of guarantees.
And answer a lot of this of course hinges on the Russian side too. And Vladimir Putin at this point is very difficult to
figure out what he wants because we barely hear from him. But today he did repeat this line. Our goal our military goals will
be completed and in particular the liberation of the Donbass. When you hear that. What does that mean. What is it that he
wants. Is it just about eastern Ukraine. Are they changing their military goals because this war is not going well for Russia.
Well it's hard to commend Mr. Putin. I mean he came in probably himself. No one else within Russia could could do exactly know
what does it mean. But look just remind you just started from dawn. They started from Donbas eight years ago and they didn't
even manage to temperature the whole Mark Crumpton was known as FTSE. This that clearing means he's fiddling with his original
goals. But even as far as Donbas system soon makes him feel seems more dumbasses Ukrainian territory and Bloomberg
Businessweek. And sir when he says another thing that I want is that the
rights of Russian people are protected in Ukraine in this country. That he believes in many ways is historically connected
to Russia and that Ukrainians or Russians are one people. Is that something that for you could be a problem to it to concede
that perhaps the Russian speakers or Russian background in Ukraine should be treated differently to Ukrainians.
No we. Absolutely. You know as far as the rights of people are concerned in Ukraine beats Russians. Ukraine used jewelry
stores. I know Crimea on Tartars overrides all there. These people are absolutely treated equally. Wars where are and always
be. So this is absolutely artificial prerequisites for his for his campaign or his war against Ukraine. And we do not break. We
have to adhere to all the international treaties. As far as the language is concerned as far as the education is concerned as
far as as far as the country is concerned we were treated absolute it rightfully to be believed Ukrainian. So please them
for this narrative. It's absolutely no problem for guaranteeing the human rights in Ukraine.
So that wouldn't be a problem and of course the other big question is is a Russian oligarch. There has been a lot of
debate about how powerful they are and what kind of influence they have on Vladimir Putin. And in particular we hear always a
name of Roman Abramovich. Is he participating actively speaking with you and the Russians to try to get to a diplomatic
solution. Is Abramovich really playing a role in this. Well I didn't want to come down to the rumors which are now in
the press but I will talk to you until you like this. Anyhow Wolf any individual or any international leader to bring peace
to Ukraine is absolutely avowedly. And of course yesterday we heard from the president. ISE state
say we are not going to actively participate in the war but we want to help Ukraine. And there's already weapons on the way to
Ukraine. Are you seeing those weapons and how bad do you need them. Because of course a war really does reduce a lot of risk.
Resources is very intensive when it comes on the weapons. What are you receiving any of this. Oh yes. Where. Central to to our
western partners to the US and other countries. Yes we're receiving the weapon. It's not enough. It's too slow. But that's
what we need. And what will be further needs definite. I will not demand to hear about concrete pieces and items and amounts
of Williams but without the support of my western partners would be much more difficult for us to do. It's a struggle and I'm
talking not only by ground reference to anti-tank surface to air missiles but about air defense capability. That's what we really
need to see because we have to close almost any possibility such as fighter jets and such as anti air warfare system one two
missile system systems. And it's important for us. And sir I know this is a very difficult question to answer but
it's my last question to you. It's been a month of war. You make it clear you're not going to trade Donbass for you. Crimea
definitely is Ukraine that a corridor and Mariupol is something you're not going to accept either. And you also say the
negotiations are still at some point where the two sides are far apart. You have weapons and you want to continue to fight.
So how long can this war continue to go on for. We have heard from some members of your own delegation that Ukraine believes
that the fight could possibly continue until the end of April before it settles to the actual talks.
Well let's not speculate about the drums of war. We are ready to end this for today or tomorrow. I mean we are ready for peace
negotiations. We will struggle. We will struggle to have the victory not even not ever and never ever. We will surrender
neither in deceitful parts of Ukraine or generally in Ukraine. Definitely all the people of Ukraine losing
staff. Sorry. And if I could just interrupt you just very briefly if I
could just have dropped you very briefly what you say to us is that the West is interpreting what's happening in Ukraine wrong
that you don't want just any peace deal. You don't want just any ceasefire. What you say is that you're convinced you can win
this war. So you're going to fight as long as needed. Yes absolutely. We will not be doomed once the peace agreement on
the Russian terms. They wanted us to have a peace agreement. And the Russians wanted the beginning. They wanted to. Their
provisions to be implemented in their demands. No we don't have any agreement any any peaceful agreement or peaceful any terms.
We will want to be Su Keenan at Ukrainian terms because we are certain we're surviving. We will with.
Well Sara thank you so much as always we appreciate your time and of course is similar to say this but of course stay safe and
it's such a difficult time for Ukraine. Guys back to you. I hear the sirens in the area and you write. So story has to go. The
Sheldon.